Atlanta Hawks Official Trade Ideas Thread (Part 1)

[djjob23]

Here's what I thought would be a good trade if we could pull it off:

Atlanta Trades: Joe Johnson, Al Horford, Marvin Williams, Kirk Hinrich, 2 1st
Atlanta Receives: Dwight Howard, Hedo Turkoglu, Kevin Martin

Orlando Trades: Howard, Turkoglu, 1 2nd
Orlando Receives: JJ, Horford, ATL 1st

Houston Trades: Kevin Martin
Houston Receives: Marvin Williams, Kirk Hinrich, ATL 1st, ORL 2nd


Roster:
J.Teague / J.Pargo
K.Martin / T.McGrady / W.Green
H.Turkoglu / V.Radmanovic
J.Smith / I.Johnson
D.Howard / Z.Pachulia

Kevin Martin is unhappy in Houston. Dwight gets shot at title. If Dwight leaves from his hometown, at least we got rid of our cancer JJ. Get it done.

orlando wouldnt want jj and his contract . i cant see any team wanting johnson unless they felt he was enough to get them a title . i thought chicago would be the best place for him . but even the bulls fans dont want him . maybe howard and hedo for horford ,hinrich , marvin and a first . marvin is cheaper than hedo so magic fans might like it . ofcourse if howard doesnt resign or lead the hawks to a title this year . the hawks would have traded away horford and a first and been stuck with hedo for a half a season of howard .

I think there was an article earlier this season that stated the Hawks and Magic were in trade talks and were going to receive JJ and Josh Smith, but Orlando wanted Al Horford instead of Josh, but Atlanta thought it was too much.

"Sources told ESPN.com that the aforementioned Hawks, meanwhile, engaged Orlando in trade talks for Howard earlier this month with an offer believed to be headlined by $124 million guard Joe Johnson and swingman Josh Smith. You have to figure that the Magic, though, would insist on Al Horford if such discussions ever got serious." - 12/28/2011 http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_ ... for-dwight

Sure people on here won't be interested in JJ and his contract, but apparently in the real world, JJ does have some interest (not a lot, but some) due to his services on the court. Get it Done ASG!!!

[Superiorblogman]

If the Mavs could get us a lottery pick it would be worth it to trade Kirk for Shawn Marion then amnesty Marvin in the summer. We would have to pay Marvin but we would have a lotto pick and Marion instead.

[ATL Boy]

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I would like to have Luol Deng from Chicago. Carlos Boozer serves no purpose for us, and it's not like Joakim Noah or Derrick Rose will be moved. Chicago only has role player contracts to match but that's not substantial value for Atlanta.

Luol Deng
Omer Asik
CJ Watson

for

Joe Johnson

YES in a heartbeat, this deal would be perfect for the Hawks we get an all-Star SF which lets us move Marvin to the Bench for deph (or even amnesty him) and I absolutely love Asik, he's the perfect for us, an elite rebounder and great defender who doesn't need to score to be valuable. But I doubt Chicago wants Joe's absurd deal.

[ATL Boy]

If the Mavs could get us a lottery pick it would be worth it to trade Kirk for Shawn Marion then amnesty Marvin in the summer. We would have to pay Marvin but we would have a lotto pick and Marion instead.

Why not just amnesty Joe in 2-3 years? Marvin isn't playing that bad for us and Joe will handicap us financially for years to come

[HMFFL]

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What star is going to sign with is us that makes it worth doing that with Joe? So, Joe handicapping us is far from being an excuse to me. I doubt any star talent is seriously going to consider signing with us due to our ownership and how they're viewed.

[Rip2137]

So Chris Andersen is available. I would think we could get him for pretty cheap. A rebounding shotblocker. Not that great one on one defensively and kinda useless offensively (although he has developed a decent mid range jumper). But still, a upgrade over what we have now defensively.

[Superiorblogman]

If the Mavs could get us a lottery pick it would be worth it to trade Kirk for Shawn Marion then amnesty Marvin in the summer. We would have to pay Marvin but we would have a lotto pick and Marion instead.

Why not just amnesty Joe in 2-3 years? Marvin isn't playing that bad for us and Joe will handicap us financially for years to come

We would lose more money using the amnesty on Joe than Marvin. Someone picked Travis Outlaw up it was the Kings they signed him to 4 years $12 million. Let's say a team is willing to pay Marv $3 mill a year like Outlaw then we really are not hurt that much if they can find us a lotto pick. A team would have to pay $10 to $15 mill per year of Joe's contract to make it even worth our effort. I definitely don't see a team that can do it next year after looking around.

[parson]

I think there was an article earlier this season that stated the Hawks and Magic were in trade talks and were going to receive JJ and Josh Smith, but Orlando wanted Al Horford instead of Josh, but Atlanta thought it was too much.

"Sources told ESPN.com that the aforementioned Hawks, meanwhile, engaged Orlando in trade talks for Howard earlier this month with an offer believed to be headlined by $124 million guard Joe Johnson and swingman Josh Smith. You have to figure that the Magic, though, would insist on Al Horford if such discussions ever got serious." - 12/28/2011 http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_ ... for-dwight

Sure people on here won't be interested in JJ and his contract, but apparently in the real world, JJ does have some interest (not a lot, but some) due to his services on the court. Get it Done ASG!!!

I took that article to mean that the discussions stalled but, if they ever get serious later, Horford would be going with Johnson.

I think that way because, IF Horford were the clincher, I'm sure we'd make the deal. Dwight Howard/Josh/Marvelous/Willie/Teague would be pretty good.

[johnny878]

2nd the chris anderson suggestion if the hawks can get him reasonably

[Years80HAWKS]

I was going to comment on the same. If Andersen is available, we should get him.
We have 3 picks in the next draft and we could use one of our seconds one in Andersen.

Right, he cannot offer much offensively, but he could change many shots, he can rebound, he can run the court at the same pace that Josh and he can dunk or out it inside the basket when he is given the ball 3 ft from it.

I believe Denver would be happy to get a second round pick (whether our or Phoenix's should be seen) for a 31-year-old player that has 3 centers ahead (Koufos, Mozgov and Nene at times). May be the problem would be that, right now, Mozgov is recovering again (already playing) and Koufos just went down with an injury yesterday.

Regarding Howard, if it is true Orlando wants JJ and Horford for him, and if it is true that he wants to be here (I am sure he would be delighted to play here with Josh), what are we waiting for?

This is all advantages. We get rid of a 31 year old with 80 mill commited. We solve the problem of deciding what of our PFs should be moved. We get the most dominant big man in the L. Together with Josh, wouldn't it be nearly imposible to score near our rim? Is this not a roster ready to fight for everything?

Teague-Hinrich
Green-McGrady
Marvin-Radmanovic
Josh-Johnson
Howard-Zaza-Andersen

[Ruhiel]

I was going to comment on the same. If Andersen is available, we should get him.
We have 3 picks in the next draft and we could use one of our seconds one in Andersen.

Right, he cannot offer much offensively, but he could change many shots, he can rebound, he can run the court at the same pace that Josh and he can dunk or out it inside the basket when he is given the ball 3 ft from it.

I believe Denver would be happy to get a second round pick (whether our or Phoenix's should be seen) for a 31-year-old player that has 3 centers ahead (Koufos, Mozgov and Nene at times). May be the problem would be that, right now, Mozgov is recovering again (already playing) and Koufos just went down with an injury yesterday.

Regarding Howard, if it is true Orlando wants JJ and Horford for him, and if it is true that he wants to be here (I am sure he would be delighted to play here with Josh), what are we waiting for?

This is all advantages. We get rid of a 31 year old with 80 mill commited. We solve the problem of deciding what of our PFs should be moved. We get the most dominant big man in the L. Together with Josh, wouldn't it be nearly imposible to score near our rim? Is this not a roster ready to fight for everything?

Teague-Hinrich
Green-McGrady
Marvin-Radmanovic
Josh-Johnson
Howard-Zaza-Andersen

Horford isn't available for trade until March 1st. And JJ+Al for Howard? Contracts dont even match up.

[ATL Boy]

I was going to comment on the same. If Andersen is available, we should get him.
We have 3 picks in the next draft and we could use one of our seconds one in Andersen.

Right, he cannot offer much offensively, but he could change many shots, he can rebound, he can run the court at the same pace that Josh and he can dunk or out it inside the basket when he is given the ball 3 ft from it.

I believe Denver would be happy to get a second round pick (whether our or Phoenix's should be seen) for a 31-year-old player that has 3 centers ahead (Koufos, Mozgov and Nene at times). May be the problem would be that, right now, Mozgov is recovering again (already playing) and Koufos just went down with an injury yesterday.

Regarding Howard, if it is true Orlando wants JJ and Horford for him, and if it is true that he wants to be here (I am sure he would be delighted to play here with Josh), what are we waiting for?

This is all advantages. We get rid of a 31 year old with 80 mill commited. We solve the problem of deciding what of our PFs should be moved. We get the most dominant big man in the L. Together with Josh, wouldn't it be nearly imposible to score near our rim? Is this not a roster ready to fight for everything?

Teague-Hinrich
Green-McGrady
Marvin-Radmanovic
Josh-Johnson
Howard-Zaza-Andersen

Horford isn't available for trade until March 1st. And JJ+Al for Howard? Contracts dont even match up.

For us to be able to get Howard we'd have to take back Turkoglu as that's the only way the Magic get rid of him. I think Howard/Hedo for Al/Joe matches up

[Years80HAWKS]

That is right. But 1st March is just 12 days ahead, as unbelievable as it seems.

I am speaking of Horford and JJ for Howard as the main stuff of the transaction. Of course other players and considerations should be added. Orlando should add somebody in the 5/7/10 mill contract range to even salaries. Richardson, Nelson or even Davis could be options. Or we could be forced to take Turkoglu, who has two more seasons (besides this one) for 10.600 and 11.400, which is a nightmare).

[djjob23]

Adding Turkoglu to make the trade even (JJ & Al for Dwight & Turkoglu) the roster looks like this:

Teague-Hinrich-Pargo
Green-McGrady
Turkoglu-Marvin-Radmanovic
Josh-Johnson
Howard-Zaza

That's a pretty scary defensive team, not to mention 3 point threats coming off the bench.

[Years80HAWKS]

Adding Turkoglu to make the trade even (JJ & Al for Dwight & Turkoglu) the roster looks like this:

Teague-Hinrich-Pargo
Green-McGrady
Turkoglu-Marvin-Radmanovic
Josh-Johnson
Howard-Zaza

That's a pretty scary defensive team, not to mention 3 point threats coming off the bench.

Sounds like a pretty good team to me. Josh and Turkoglu can alternate in the forward positions. Then Turkoglu, taking for granted that he is not playing even near his contract value, can offer some game creation Teague cannot offer, as he is more of a scoring guard (although I like the way he is developing, passing and, even lately, finding the tempo when Josh lets him).

Turkoglu has this and two more years, the last one being a player option that he will execute. We could get him and think in using our amnesty clause if he plays as bad as he plays now, and some good oportunity to get a good perimeter scorer arises.

But the roster, with Howard, Smith, Teague, Hinrich, Marvin, Turkoglu, Green, McGrady offers a lot of guarantees to make a deep run into the POs with great defensive foundations.

Either that or spening the next five years with Josh, Horford, JJ, Teague, no inside game AT ALL and getting out of the POs in the first round every single time.
I prefer risking and either falling out of the POs or getting a real chance at a tittle.

[ATL Boy]

Adding Turkoglu to make the trade even (JJ & Al for Dwight & Turkoglu) the roster looks like this:

Teague-Hinrich-Pargo
Green-McGrady
Turkoglu-Marvin-Radmanovic
Josh-Johnson
Howard-Zaza

That's a pretty scary defensive team, not to mention 3 point threats coming off the bench.

Sounds like a pretty good team to me. Josh and Turkoglu can alternate in the forward positions. Then Turkoglu, taking for granted that he is not playing even near his contract value, can offer some game creation Teague cannot offer, as he is more of a scoring guard (although I like the way he is developing, passing and, even lately, finding the tempo when Josh lets him).

Turkoglu has this and two more years, the last one being a player option that he will execute. We could get him and think in using our amnesty clause if he plays as bad as he plays now, and some good oportunity to get a good perimeter scorer arises.

But the roster, with Howard, Smith, Teague, Hinrich, Marvin, Turkoglu, Green, McGrady offers a lot of guarantees to make a deep run into the POs with great defensive foundations.

Either that or spening the next five years with Josh, Horford, JJ, Teague, no inside game AT ALL and getting out of the POs in the first round every single time.
I prefer risking and either falling out of the POs or getting a real chance at a tittle.

We can't amnesty a player we recieved from a trade, we can only amnesty players that were on the roster to start the 2011-2012 season.

[ATL Boy]

Would you guys do a trade centered around Josh Smith for JaVale Mcgee? Mcgee is a very good very young prospect who plays C; sure he's a nutcase but then again so is Josh

[Ruhiel]

Would you guys do a trade centered around Josh Smith for JaVale Mcgee? Mcgee is a very good very young prospect who plays C; sure he's a nutcase but then again so is Josh

You have no clue man. McGee is an undeveloped C with zero court awareness. And Smith is a SF in his prime dropping near triple doubles and manning the PF. I would take McGee in a heartbeat and draft twin towers and work with him so he develops into a 20 and 10 PF-C.

Wizards are very young. It makes no sense.

P.S. A Marvin Williams avatar? really?

[ATL Boy]

Would you guys do a trade centered around Josh Smith for JaVale Mcgee? Mcgee is a very good very young prospect who plays C; sure he's a nutcase but then again so is Josh

You have no clue man. McGee is an undeveloped C with zero court awareness. And Smith is a SF in his prime dropping near triple doubles and manning the PF. I would take McGee in a heartbeat and draft twin towers and work with him so he develops into a 20 and 10 PF-C.

Wizards are very young. It makes no sense.

P.S. A Marvin Williams avatar? really?

I know Washington probably won't do that trade, I was just throwing some ideas out there looking to get opinions from other Hawks fans. And yea I have nothing against Marvin Williams lol, the avatar was more for the picture and less about Marvin really.

[ATL Boy]

Here's a more realistic Josh Smith trade:
Josh Smith + 2012 ATL 2nd round pick for a lotto pick in the draft pick this year, it's obviously a draft day trade; we use that pick and take Cody Zeller arguably the second best Center prospect in the draft behind Drummond, our problems at Center are then over. Then we use our pick to get a good SF like LeBryan Nash, or Jeff Taylor.
Lineup for next year:
PG: Teague
SG: Joe
SF: Nash/Taylor
PF: Horford
C: Zeller
With Marvin and Willie Green (hopefully resigned), and our other 2nd round pick (from PHX) coming off the bench as the primary weapons deph wise.
Thoughts?