Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 6

[Saciid11]

I would take Barnes over Davis.

I see Marcus Camby with Davis as his best case scenario and we need a go to scorer. In fact, I'm not sure that Davis is going to be better than Val going forward and there's a very good chance he's not going to be as good. So I wouldn't pick him as a redundant piece when there's perfectly good options at other positions. It doesn't make sense at all to take Davis as a 1st overall pick.

I think Barnes is going to be an all-star quality SF and he can be our 1st option when we're a playoff team.

We will have a better team foundation with a lineup of Demar/Barnes/Bargnani/Val than Demar/?/Bargnani/Davis with Val coming off the bench maybe.

Why would we pass up on Davis who is clearly the number 1 pick this year because of Bargnani who is one dimensional and will always be that. We draft Bargnani when we already had Bosh and worse Bargnani wasn't even considered to be #1 pick that year... the closest thing to number #1 was Aldridge who clearly better player then Bargnani today... So why would we pass up on clear cut number 1 this year.

[Al_Oliver]

Shotblocking alone doesn't tell the story

A Davis plays defense with the same mentality and control that a Duncan does. Doesn't leave his position structurally, doesn't jump out solely to get the block. It'd be very surprising if he had an approach like either T Thomas or Camby in the NBA

Tyrus was also a tier above him in explosiveness and athletic talent, but smaller

If A Davis failed I don't think he'd look like Tyrus doing it.

exactly... with all of the comps with Thomas, no one disputed it with his intelligence. Thomas lacks it, Davis understands the game and positioning. it's one thing to have the physical skills, but when you can bring it mentally, then you have a chance to become an elite player.

[Saciid11]

Another thing with the Camby comparison. Camby was drafted by the Raps 2nd overall in the 96 draft. He was the consensus best big man in the draft and history proved he probably was. We were all pretty ecstatic when he was drafted.

Here's the guys that he was drafted ahead of that I would rather have had now in hindsight:
-Kobe
-Ray Allen
-Nash
-Jermaine O'Neil
-Peja

There were 9 guys drafted after Camby who were all-stars and Camby never made the all-star team. But bigs are always overvalued.

Anthony Davis is much better prospect then Campy ever was... is not only better defender then Campy, but his offensive is Bosh/KG like and will most likely end up being efficient two way player and I will take 15-20ppg 10-12reb 2-3blk with great shooting from my big man then 23ppg 6rebound and less then .500fg% ...

[Al_Oliver]

Barnes & Rivers on this roster next season or die trying.

I don't know if getting a point guard who averages 2 assists per game is a good idea considering he's going to be playing with JV.

Until Rivers figures out how to involve his teammates and consistently create for them, he's an undersized shooting guard...

[Legal Non-Conforming]

A frontcourt of Bargnani, Valenciunas, and Davis would set up the franchise for a whole generation. You get enough talent and NBA players want to come and play on the team. PGs would be clamoring to play with these guys.

[baulderdash77]

Anthony Davis is much better prospect then Campy ever was... is not only better defender then Campy, but his offensive is Bosh/KG like and will most likely end up being efficient two way player and I will take 15-20ppg 10-12reb 2-3blk with great shooting from my big man then 23ppg 6rebound and less then .500fg% ...

Seriously do you even watch games or do anything to back up your wild claims?

Davis has given no indication that he can have any kind of offensive diversity. He has nowhere near the kind of offensive toolbox that KG or Bosh had. Take a look at his actual numbers- 27% FG%!

Camby was an NBA DPOY and lead the 2000's decade in blocks/game (Duncan & Ben Wallase were 2nd & 3rd) and was 3rd (behind Duncan & Ben Wallace) in rebounds. Is your expectation that he's going to be clearly better than a top 3 defensive C over an era?

That's some pretty lofty expectations. For some reason people seem to think that the Camby comparison is a knock, it's not, it's in fact a great compliment. It's in fact the only justification for a top 5 pick consideration.

[Legal Non-Conforming]

Seriously do you even watch games or do anything to back up your wild claims?...
Take a look at his actual numbers- 27% FG%!

He has a 65 FG%.

SEASON GMS MIN PTS REB AST TO A/T STL BLK PF FG% FT% 3P%
2011-12 27 31.0 13.9 9.7 0.9 0.9 1.00 1.4 4.9 2.0 .655 .699 .000

[nahom1319]

Seriously do you even watch games or do anything to back up your wild claims?...
Take a look at his actual numbers- 27% FG%!

He has a 65 FG%.

SEASON GMS MIN PTS REB AST TO A/T STL BLK PF FG% FT% 3P%
2011-12 27 31.0 13.9 9.7 0.9 0.9 1.00 1.4 4.9 2.0 .655 .699 .000

I'm pretty sure he means his attempts outside of 5 feet.

[baulderdash77]

Outside of putbacks, alley-oops & fastbreaks he's shooting 27%. He's shooting 25% on post-ups.

[CunningLinguist]

tyrus thomas is 6'8 WITH shoes. Davis looks at least 6'10.

Correct

[ansoncarter]

Shotblocking alone doesn't tell the story

A Davis plays defense with the same mentality and control that a Duncan does. Doesn't leave his position structurally, doesn't jump out solely to get the block. It'd be very surprising if he had an approach like either T Thomas or Camby in the NBA

Tyrus was also a tier above him in explosiveness and athletic talent, but smaller

If A Davis failed I don't think he'd look like Tyrus doing it.

if that's true it's even more disappointing BC didn't fully commit to tanking

bigman defence is 90% skill. Could care less about an athletic big running around getting weakside blocks, there are tons of draftees like that and most don't ammount to much

[JN]

First round prospects in danger of missing the NCAA tournament (draft express rankings for whatever they are worth)

Also note - that teams that would be the last three or four in right now, would likely be victims of bubble busters in conference tourney.

#2 - Andre Drummond, #12 Jeremy Lamb(UConn currently in but needs to avoid slipping at Providence, and at Villanova ). Due to good RPI, and top 50 wins, could get in at 8-10 in BE, definetely at 9-9. They are currently 6-8.

#14 - Meyers Leonard - Illinois was one of my last teams in before yesterday even with a projected 7-11 Big Ten record (this is a weak bubble), but after getting destroyed at Nebraska, unlikely to get to in. Still have away games at Ohio St and Wisconsin. Type of win that bring you back in, but are unlikely

#15 - Terrence Ross, Tony Wroten - PAC 12 is down, and Washington has a weak resume despite now being 12-3 in conference (no top 50 wins). I had them in yesterday, on the premise that they will at least split the P12 regular season title, and that will be enough. No way P12 only gets one team -- might only get two. But they cannot afford to slip.

#22 - Damon Lilliard - Weber St will not get in as at large. Montana looks tough in the BIg Sky.

#24 - Arnett Moultrie - Miss St is among the last 5-8 teams in before yesterday. But losing at Auburn was something they were projected to win. They may be out in the next projection. .500 in the SEC is bubble worthy. But they are 4-5 against top 50 which is good for a bubble team, and have the opportunity for a big win at home - vs Kentucky.

#27 - Tony Mitchell - Don't know nothing about him. Do know North Texas is not likely to win their conference tourney

#28 - Lebryan Nash - Oklahoma St is too far our

#29 - CJ Leslie - NV ST is right on the bubble, blew an opportunity for a big home win against FSU yesterday. It was amusing to see Goods kicked out of the game as a afan.

Myck Kabongo - Texas was on the safe side of the bubble yesterday, but after the loss is back n it.

[ty123]

I hope BC takes a risk on Miller or Wroten. Seriously, I'm tired of drafting high character guys with 0 swagger.

Kidd Gilchrist is gonna be a good one as well. More than just a role player.

[ty123]

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Seriously, theres absolutely no players on the team that have this ability, not even Jerryd Bayless.

[Danchan]

I like lambs game... But why does every picture of him looks like a kid with down syndrome?

[TJ Quik]

We really need to escape this draft with one of Barnes and MKG.

[ty123]

We really need to escape this draft with one of Barnes and MKG.

Seriously what makes Barnes any better than Quincy Miller?

If you gave Miller another year he could probably put up the same stats.

[Marlo Stanfield]

We really need to escape this draft with one of Barnes and MKG.

Seriously what makes Barnes any better than Quincy Miller?

If you gave Miller another year he could probably put up the same stats.

You know what? Barnes has proven more, but I can't honestly prove that he's better than Quincy. That bum of a "coach" Scott Drew features Pu**y Jones like he has a gun to his head. Quincy is a huge sleeper imo, although I wouldn't be mad if we chose Harrison over him, just curious.

[Undefeated]

We really need to escape this draft with one of Barnes and MKG.

Seriously what makes Barnes any better than Quincy Miller?

If you gave Miller another year he could probably put up the same stats.

I'm one of Quincy Miller's biggest fan, but Barnes easily has a better jumper, better defender and is much more polished with his moves.

[5DOM]

I haven't seen much of Quincy Miller; but from what I've seen, it looked like while he possesses a wide skill set, very few of his moves actually help him get easy shots. I suspect it's because of the lack of explosiveness.