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Official Trade Thread XVIII: 1/20/12 - 5/14/12

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Re: Official Trade Thread XVIII 

Post#821 » by Ruzious » Fri Feb 24, 2012 2:20 pm

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Ruzious wrote:I don't mind trading McGee on priniciple, but the problem with it is - there's a shortage of center - like there always is. Who do we get to replace him - and how do we get him? If I could be sure that we could get Hawes (even with his achilles problem), I'd trade Javale, but I can't be sure.


The 2 players who intrigue me most for McGee would be Galanri or Batum. McGee directly to Denver doesn't make a lot of sense(unless they see Nene as a potential PF). Maybe a pick and Ilyasova.

If the team takes a quick leap forward, I think they should target guys like Okafor and Dalembert.

Maybe one of the Lopez's or Gortat is available. Ian Mahinmi is very intriguing, but I don't know if his production would hold up in a starting role.

Most likely, the Center of the future is going to have to come from the draft.

And that's probably not a workable solution.
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Re: Official Trade Thread XVIII 

Post#822 » by hands11 » Fri Feb 24, 2012 3:10 pm

So March 15 is going be here before we know it. Kind of exciting. Now they are in the stage to make moves.

I hope they can move Nick. I would be happy enough if they just moved one of the 3 bone heads. If they just have two of them left, that is a lot less toxic and Wall desperately need help at SG or SF to run the offense. I would be more then fine with Crawford covering at SG if they can't get a starting quality SG in return. If they even yield R Allen as a loner for the rest of the year that would be cool with me. The less bone heads they have around the less their is a need for baby sitters like Mason. Then that opens up more spots.

Now if they can trade Nick and McGee along with the Lewis expiring for some block buster move that yields a star SF or center, all the better.

But if they can't get a center in return, I would keep McGee and focus on moving Nick. There still may be hope for McGee if you can get better more mature players around him. The kid has shown a lot of progress in his offense this year. His biggest problem is still his mind.

As for Dray. They have time to move him. And he could still get salvaged as a back up PF if they can't.

It's all about what to do with the "Big Three" :roll:
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Re: Official Trade Thread XVIII 

Post#823 » by hands11 » Fri Feb 24, 2012 3:43 pm

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Ruzious wrote:I don't mind trading McGee on priniciple, but the problem with it is - there's a shortage of center - like there always is. Who do we get to replace him - and how do we get him? If I could be sure that we could get Hawes (even with his achilles problem), I'd trade Javale, but I can't be sure.


The 2 players who intrigue me most for McGee would be Galanri or Batum. McGee directly to Denver doesn't make a lot of sense(unless they see Nene as a potential PF). Maybe a pick and Ilyasova.

If the team takes a quick leap forward, I think they should target guys like Okafor and Dalembert.

Maybe one of the Lopez's or Gortat is available. Ian Mahinmi is very intriguing, but I don't know if his production would hold up in a starting role.

Most likely, the Center of the future is going to have to come from the draft.

And that's probably not a workable solution.


Gortat would be the best fit out of that group. He has the right personality that would help this team. But why would PHX give him up ? He is signed for three more years at good value. Mark is signed as well. I wouldnt want Okafor or Dal. Would be better to just keep McGee. Hell, Gortat and Mark are both second round picks. How about just drafting a damn a center like they should have done last year. McGee has had no legit challenge since Haywood left.

I guess at least they got Ves to challenge at PF longer term. It is a project but he is clearly not playing SF. That is why I wanted to trade down last year and get more picks. They could have gotten players like Nikola Vucevic, M Morris, Brooks, Faried or Harper. I think though types of players would have been better for the rebuild and set them up nicely for this next draft.

But oh well.

They should pick up a med to late first rounder and go after one of these guys.


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Re: Official Trade Thread XVIII 

Post#824 » by jivelikenice » Fri Feb 24, 2012 4:40 pm

hermitkid wrote:I'll take my chances with losing McGee in FA.


Losing him for nothing would be terrible. If there's no intention to go over $10 MM to sign him then you seriously have to consider moving him for the best deal. Somebody in FA will toss 11-12 MM his way on potential and the thought that there coaches can do more with him.
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Post#825 » by jivelikenice » Fri Feb 24, 2012 4:44 pm

To me Minnesota still makes the most sense. They wouldn't do Williams for McGee straight up because of the contract situation, but I would see what it would take in additon to McGee to make a deal work. Out of Booker, Seraphin, Crawford, , & Singleton....I would throw in one of them and some cash as well. All these young guys aren't going to work together. We need to consolidate them into one player like a Derrick Williams.
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Post#826 » by jivelikenice » Fri Feb 24, 2012 4:58 pm

I would also look hard at Eric Gordon in trade talks. He's in a similar situation to McGee and if he's someone we might be targetting then it would behoove us to trade for him now and get a look at him w/ Wall for 20-30 games. He'd be a RFA and we can then really determine how much he's worth.

What's really hurting us is having a GM on the final year of his contract. I'm sure Ted is reluctant to make moves because he may want the potential new gm to decide if he wants to keep McGee or some of the other young players. It was a mistake to let the situation get to this by ownership...
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Re: Official Trade Thread XVIII 

Post#827 » by MikeTheKid » Fri Feb 24, 2012 5:11 pm

jivelikenice wrote:To me Minnesota still makes the most sense. They wouldn't do Williams for McGee straight up because of the contract situation, but I would see what it would take in additon to McGee to make a deal work. Out of Booker, Seraphin, Crawford, , & Singleton....I would throw in one of them and some cash as well. All these young guys aren't going to work together. We need to consolidate them into one player like a Derrick Williams.


I love this and have been thinking a trade with MIN would be best right now,

Derrick Williams and 2012 2nd Round for Mcgee and Singleton

Min receives size in Mcgee and another rookie prospect in Singleton

Was receives solid PT for Williams at the 3 which hes been begging for in MIN

I still wish now we drafted Faried, Leonard or Marshon Brooks. How did Brooks drop so low.

Is the Blatche for Tyrus Thomas trade still being discussed?
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Re: Official Trade Thread XVIII 

Post#828 » by gesa2 » Fri Feb 24, 2012 5:21 pm

I would do McGee and Vesely for Williams. At the time of the draft it seemed too much, but that was before we a) drafted Vesely instead of someone who wasn't redundant with Booker and b) suffered through another half year of McGee's inconsistency and apparent unwillingness to learn basic defensive responsibilities.
Making extreme statements like "only" sounds like there are "no" Jokics in this draft? Jokic is an engine that was drafted in the 2nd round. Always a chance to see diamond dropped by sloppy burgular after a theft.
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Re: Official Trade Thread XVIII 

Post#829 » by tontoz » Fri Feb 24, 2012 5:25 pm

Minny's current center Pekovic is better than McGee. They aren't going to trade for Mcgee to be their backup center.

The time to trade for Dwill was last june. That time has passed.
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Post#830 » by mhd » Fri Feb 24, 2012 5:55 pm

My latest:

Wiz trade McGee+Seraphin+Turiaf(exp) for Ben Gordon+Det 2012 1st (top 1 protected)
GSW trade Curry+Udoh for McGee+Brandon Knight+Turiaf
Det trades Gordon+Knight+2012 1st (top 1 protected) for Curry+Udoh+Seraphin
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Re: Official Trade Thread XVIII 

Post#831 » by jivelikenice » Fri Feb 24, 2012 5:56 pm

tontoz wrote:Minny's current center Pekovic is better than McGee. They aren't going to trade for Mcgee to be their backup center.

The time to trade for Dwill was last june. That time has passed.


D Will's value was higher at draft time then it was right now. And I don't think Minnesota would be opposed to brining in McGee to split the C minutes with Pekovic & they'd have a deep 3 man rotation of bigs between Love/ Pekovic/ and McGee.
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Post#832 » by tontoz » Fri Feb 24, 2012 6:06 pm

jivelikenice wrote:
tontoz wrote:Minny's current center Pekovic is better than McGee. They aren't going to trade for Mcgee to be their backup center.

The time to trade for Dwill was last june. That time has passed.


D Will's value was higher at draft time then it was right now. And I don't think Minnesota would be opposed to brining in McGee to split the C minutes with Pekovic & they'd have a deep 3 man rotation of bigs between Love/ Pekovic/ and McGee.



Pekovic has a PER of 22 and is a tough defender. I don't think they are looking to pay roughly $9 million/yr for his backup.

I heard they are looking to trade Beasley to the Lakers. If they aren't going to pay Beasley i doubt they will pay McGee.
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Post#833 » by Dat2U » Fri Feb 24, 2012 6:24 pm

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Dat2U wrote:I'm not against trading McGee, but I'm not against keeping him either. I really do wonder how he'd do in a different environment, surrounded by veterans who are serious minded and focused on winning.

McGee's talented enough that I'd prefer to change the culture first before totally giving up on him.


Right, the annual Washington tradition of making excuses for our scrubs. Change the culture? He IS the culture, just as much as Blatche is, but you are all blinded to it because he throws down a highlight dunk or gets a highlight block once in a while. And yes, Javale McGee is a SCRUB.

Javale McGee is barely a rotation player on any of the top 8 playoff teams. He just does so many fundamental things badly. If McGee did his crap on the Spurs or Mavericks or even the Heat he would never get off the bench.

If Houston can throw in Motiejunas in that deal, I'd be all over it.


Wow, just what we need. Another scrub euro that will go back overseas in 3 or 4 years. we can't have enough of them.

And outside of Wall, McGee is the best thing we've got. He isn't a scrub, for all his shortcomings, he's still a starting C and a productive one at that.

And all I'm saying is change the culture around him. We need a Blatche free locker room. A Nick Young free locker room and add some quality vets into mix. Put a real PF next to McGee. And maybe, just maybe he'll start to figure it out.

So what's your plan for finding a replacement if we do trade him?
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Post#834 » by Silvie Lysandra » Fri Feb 24, 2012 6:36 pm

I'd rather take a flier on Motiejunas and get McGee and Blatche out of here and bring back solid players in return than overpay McGee. And why is he a "scrub euro"? Just because other Euros have busted in the past?

And the idea that it's all Blatche and Young's fault when McGee is just as immature, just as stupid on the court, and has just as many glaring holes in his game is just idiotic. I don't want any of them in that locker room.

And finally, what does McGee do well other than block shots at a ridiculous rate? Above-average rebounder I guess. Inefficient scorer. Horrible defender. Dalembert is twice the player he is right now, and a mature leader with playoff experience to boot. But nooo, McGee has "potential" and "upside"! He'll reach it, maybe 2 years into that 12 million a year contract we just gave him! Riiight.

He's a starting center in the same sense that guys like Eddy Curry are starting Cs. The market may overpay them, but that doesn't mean we should. And if we can get value for him, even better.
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Post#835 » by Dat2U » Fri Feb 24, 2012 6:54 pm

So why is Motiejunas any good? Because he doesn't play on the Wizards? The grass isn't always greener on the other side.

And I never said it was only Blatche's or Young's fault. I'm only saying is that Mcgee is talented and productive enough to try to keep. Blatche & Young are lost causes.

I understand the angst with McGee but this is blind hate. Dalembert is twice the player? No, not likely. Does Dalembert own McGee? Sure, but how often does Dalembert bring it? No one was talking about Dalembert last year when he going through the motions in Sacramento like he has most of his career.

McGee is an elite shotblocker, an solid rebounder and an excellent finisher. He's relatively inefficient this season but it's because too much is being asked of him. He's forced to be a scoring option and his post moves are relatively unrefined. It's not a strength of his. He needs coaching. He needs direction. He needs to be held accountable. Change the environment as see if he'll adapt. Even with all his struggles, he's still the second best prospect we got. Your offering no real alternative. Motiejunas isn't a real alternative. Your not putting Motiejunas at C or starting Seraphin. So what's the plan? Get rid of the players you don't like for pennies on the dollar? Sorry, that just doesn't cut it.
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Post#836 » by tontoz » Fri Feb 24, 2012 7:06 pm

Interesting thread about Batum from the Portland board.

viewtopic.php?f=28&t=1162193


I haven't read the whole thing but generally they seem to think he is better at the 2. They are unanimous that Batum has had a problem with being too passive on offense over the years. Some blame him, others the coach/role.
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Post#837 » by Silvie Lysandra » Fri Feb 24, 2012 7:12 pm

Dat2U wrote:I understand the angst with McGee but this is blind hate. Dalembert is twice the player? No, not likely. Does Dalembert own McGee? Sure, but how often does Dalembert bring it? No one was talking about Dalembert last year when he going through the motions in Sacramento like he has most of his career.


He was still a better rebounder and defender than McGee, and just because he can't make highlight real dunks or get 4 blocks a game, that doesn't make McGee even remotely comparable. The only thing that Dalembert lacks is that he's not a scoring C, and McGee, as you said, isn't efficient when he tries to score so it's not much of a reason to prefer him.

He's relatively inefficient this season but it's because too much is being asked of him. He's forced to be a scoring option and his post moves are relatively unrefined. It's not a strength of his. He needs coaching. He needs direction. He needs to be held accountable. Change the environment as see if he'll adapt.


Yeah, it's never his fault. He's just a victim. Whenever he runs back on defense when we have the ball, or swats a clear goaltend out of spite, he's just a product of the system.

Even with all his struggles, he's still the second best prospect we got. Your offering no real alternative. Motiejunas isn't a real alternative. Your not putting Motiejunas at C or starting Seraphin. So what's the plan? Get rid of the players you don't like for pennies on the dollar? Sorry, that just doesn't cut it.


We'd be starting Dalembert?

And as for Motiejunas, young, cheap and at least there's potential there. McGee is maxed out as a player. Sorry, bad players don't become significantly more offensive skilled just because they have uber physical talent. I'll take a chance on a skilled big who's actually improved his glaring flaws in a year overseas rather than hoping and praying McGee learns to play basketball. I'll save the long-term big money contracts for actual impact players.
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Re: Official Trade Thread XVIII 

Post#838 » by Ruzious » Fri Feb 24, 2012 7:59 pm

tontoz wrote:Interesting thread about Batum from the Portland board.

viewtopic.php?f=28&t=1162193


I haven't read the whole thing but generally they seem to think he is better at the 2. They are unanimous that Batum has had a problem with being too passive on offense over the years. Some blame him, others the coach/role.

I agree with them. I've seen him play a few times over the years, and he seems much more aggressive and confident this season - especially on his drives to the basket. I thought he was a lot more passive in past seasons. His defensive talent was always obvious - tremendous length and size at either the 2 or 3. In the Wiz/Portly game when Aldridge twisted his ankle - Portly looked a lot better with him at the 2 than at the 3. The funny thing was - Wall blocked 2 of his shots, but Wall wasn't his defender. He got once on a fast break and once on a switch - both amazing defensive plays that I don't think any other PG could have made.

Imagine Wall and Batum in the backcourt - defensively they could be the NBA's best - even better than the Heat. And they'd be among the best in transition and helping on the boards. And Batum can shoot.

Since this is the trade thread, it's worth mentioning Larry Bird came out and said - Indy's got 15 mil to spend, and he's willing to spend it to upgrade their bench. We need for Blatche to come back looking good ASAP. Indy's as good a team as any for him - with their relatively plodding style. Wasn't he supposed to be back by now? I don't want to hear "another 2 or 3 weeks". :-?
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Re: Official Trade Thread XVIII 

Post#839 » by Dat2U » Fri Feb 24, 2012 7:59 pm

The desire for Dalembert is damn near laughable. Dalembert/Motiejunas for McGee accomplishes nothing but making us older and less talented. It's a short term fix when we need a long term solution

And you need to stop putting words in my mouth. I never said McGee wasn't culpable for his own shortcomings. I'm just saying even through all his WTF's he's still very productive and at times can really impact the game. I'm not against trading McGee. I'm just against trading him for the slop you suggested.
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Post#840 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Fri Feb 24, 2012 8:01 pm

I agree with you 100% on McGee, Dat.

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I like him, miscues and all. Horrible PnR defense, too. The kid has some challenges but his strengths outweigh his liabilities IMO. He is a question mark, but obviously a top-2 talent on the Wizards.

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