Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 6

[Greg Stink]

Seriously when was the last time an all star big came out of the lottery?

Blake Griffin, Kevin Love, Al Horford, LaMarcus Aldridge, Andrew Bynum

Soon to be: Greg Monroe, DeMarcus Cousins

I thought he meant after the lottery.

[Al_Oliver]

I agree, I see Wade in Beal.
If Beal measures taller than 6'5 (6'5.5), he might even be drafted in the top 6.

bonzi wells. hopefully without being a knucklehead though

[Marlo Stanfield]

Seriously when was the last time an all star big came out of the lottery?

Blake Griffin, Kevin Love, Al Horford, LaMarcus Aldridge, Andrew Bynum

Soon to be: Greg Monroe, DeMarcus Cousins

I thought he meant after the lottery.

He said "out of the lottery", not outside of the lottery.

[gojoorange]

I agree, I see Wade in Beal.
If Beal measures taller than 6'5 (6'5.5), he might even be drafted in the top 6.

Other than the body measurement, thats about it.

Beal's handles are not as good as one would like to be a Top level player; Wade played mostly PG in his first couple of years in the league.

Beal shooting preparation/mechanics/and all ..and range are up there with the best of them, he seems to have unlimited range; Wade has limited range.

If he had the handles, those Ray Allen comparison could have made sense.

Beal looks like he is built for the NBA ..Top 3 among the wings in this draft (Barnes, Lamb)

It's not a 1 for 1 comparison. He is simply stating that there are some qualities in Wade's game that are present in Beal's. The kid has fire, there is no denying that.

[Indeed]

I agree, I see Wade in Beal.
If Beal measures taller than 6'5 (6'5.5), he might even be drafted in the top 6.

bonzi wells. hopefully without being a knucklehead though

He looked mature to me on his interviews.
I don't think he has the elite explosiveness, but he can change speed (which is as important as well), so I think his basketball IQ is better.

Wells is a good comparison, but it seems like Beal is more team oriented.

[gojoorange]

DeRozan gives you the leaping ability that we kind of lacking (until James Johnson finds his shooting and start over DeRozan at SF). And I believe Beal can play PG with his court vision and passing (worst case is if he can't, then he will be a SG).

I think it depends if DeRozan can improve his game, and depends on if Beal can start right away. Best scenario is having Beal comes off the bench and improve his ball handling on his first season.

I think Beal on our roster would be amazing. DeMar is 6'7" and extremely athletic, realistically he should be more than capable of playing the 3. Beal would really give us long range shooting and rebounding at the 2, which would be huge.

[Indeed]

I agree, I see Wade in Beal.
If Beal measures taller than 6'5 (6'5.5), he might even be drafted in the top 6.

Other than the body measurement, thats about it.

Beal's handles are not as good as one would like to be a Top level player; Wade played mostly PG in his first couple of years in the league.

Beal shooting preparation/mechanics/and all ..and range are up there with the best of them, he seems to have unlimited range; Wade has limited range.

If he had the handles, those Ray Allen comparison could have made sense.

Beal looks like he is built for the NBA ..Top 3 among the wings in this draft (Barnes, Lamb)

It's not a 1 for 1 comparison. He is simply stating that there are some qualities in Wade's game that are present in Beal's. The kid has fire, there is no denying that.

Thank you for clarifying.
I see his mentality similar to Wade, not his physical abilities.

I don't think he is as explosive nor athletic as Wade, but his strength is shooting with a winning mentality (doing dirty work, rebounding, playing defense, being tough).

[Indeed]

If you go with Beal trying out him and DeMar at the wings to begin is not a bad idea. Let DeMar play the small forward and see how it works. Remember, they'll have two 7 footers behind them so the size differences may even out. If it flops, trade DeMar.

Hmm, if it flops, I thought we will trade Beal
I mean, there is a risk he won't turn out to be anything better than DeRozan, so I think it depends on who deserve the starting job.

[Dr Positivity]

DeRozan gives you the leaping ability that we kind of lacking (until James Johnson finds his shooting and start over DeRozan at SF). And I believe Beal can play PG with his court vision and passing (worst case is if he can't, then he will be a SG).

I think it depends if DeRozan can improve his game, and depends on if Beal can start right away. Best scenario is having Beal comes off the bench and improve his ball handling on his first season.

Not to count anything out but there's a long history of the SG to PG transition being freaking impossible. Beal also averages more turnovers than assists. Between Demar moving to SF or Beal moving to PG, I think it's clear that DD moving to SF is the natural choice. I mean he basically is a small SF. There's really 3 offensive positions - PG, SG/SF and PF/C

[Dr Positivity]

Seriously when was the last time an all star big came out of the lottery?

Hibbert? Yeah that's not incredibly recently, but any all-stars out of the lottery is usually pretty rare

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

I think DeRozan will start at SG next season if we draft Beal - with Beal, in all likelihood, playing a supersub, James Harden-type role. Basically, he'll still log a lot of minutes, with DeRozan moving over to SF in the 4th quarters of games, and a guy like Wilson Chandler sliding over to PF along Andrea, as the 5-man. Again, only in 4th quarters, and depending on matchups.

[Marlo Stanfield]

If you go with Beal trying out him and DeMar at the wings to begin is not a bad idea. Let DeMar play the small forward and see how it works. Remember, they'll have two 7 footers behind them so the size differences may even out. If it flops, trade DeMar.

Hmm, if it flops, I thought we will trade Beal
I mean, there is a risk he won't turn out to be anything better than DeRozan, so I think it depends on who deserve the starting job.

The point is under the assumption that Beal is a good NBA player.

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

Waiters with the throwdown

Lamb banks in a 3 at the other end for UCONN

[McFurious1]

Love Beal's game seriously underrated around here. Kid is going to be a stud. Take him move DeMar over to SF and we're good.

[Dr Positivity]

At the same age in college, they put up almost exactly the same numbers in the same conference. Since I see their roles as defensive role players / do a bit of everything SF's I was wondering about the comparison.

I'm not sure that MKG is going to be much better than a 12/5 guy in the NBA because I don't see him as a 1st or 2nd type of option guy. He may get a couple assists, a block & a rebound and be the glue on a team though but he's a complimentary piece. In that regard he's going to play a similar role that James Johnson plays in the NBA.

That being said, I wouldn't want to draft a glue guy wing player with a top 5 pick really. Mid to late Lotto sure that's probably reasonable and he's good value there. I see him #3 on DX and I kinda shake my head and a lot of people here seem to agree with it.

I haven't seen a compelling argument why I may be wrong.

Not so fast with that statement. JJ at this point in his freshman season had just turned 21, Kidd-Gilchrist is 18 and 5 months. Pretty big difference.

I think MKG is a pretty risky pick, to me he's a project like Demar was. I'm not buying at all that he can be an impact player on his physical tools alone like a G Wallace. MKG is closer to being at a physical disadvantage than advantage vs SFs. He can play as G Wallace like Wes Johnson was supposed to play like Marion. To me Gerald Wallace's skill level and MKG's physical tools is like Sonny Weems. think the difference between G Wallace's physical tools and MKG's is that big

If I'm drafting MKG I'm planning on him being closer to a FINESSE player. What I like out of him is his ballhandling and his speed. I think he has potential to create his own shot as a result of that. He just needs to be able to hit those shots. To me he's a more talented player skill wise than Wallace. For a young perimeter player having good ballhandling and passing and ability around the basket and 75% FT is not that bad. Guys like Pierce and C Butler didn't kill it from 3 their first year.

I think there's a risk that he just becomes an athletic SG/SF who runs around and finishes fastbreaks. But to me there is no prospect without risk in this draft.. or any draft. How many times have we seen the "safe" prospects like Wes Johnson and Cole Aldrich fall on their face in the NBA? H Barnes might be good, but there's no way in hell I'd call him a safe bet for 15ppg+, let alone the 20ppg lock some people think. His floor is Omri Casspi

[JN]

At the half

Good NCAA Team 43
Team of Supposed NBA Prospects 29

[Rapsfan07]

I've been on the Beal bandwagon for a while as well. Beal, Barnes and Lamb are the safest wing picks in the draft.

But Beal...he's got a higher ceiling than the other two and more NBA star potential IMO. He's gonna be a special player. But if we draft him, sooner or later, we'll need to move DeRozan eventually. Long term, we'll have a very small backcourt and while I think Beal can hold his own I think DD will have problems guarding SFs

and Marlo, I NEED to have that sig. lol

[ty123]

What does Harrison barnes do exactly better than Gilchrist? other than shooting long jumpshots.

[Marlo Stanfield]

I've been on the Beal bandwagon for a while as well. Beal, Barnes and Lamb are the safest wing picks in the draft.

But Beal...he's got a higher ceiling than the other two and more NBA star potential IMO. He's gonna be a special player. But if we draft him, sooner or later, we'll need to move DeRozan eventually. Long term, we'll have a very small backcourt and while I think Beal can hold his own I think DD will have problems guarding SFs

and Marlo, I NEED to have that sig. lol

I just cut the picture in MS Paint and put a little frame around it. Rock it with me bro, I don't mind.

[Rapsfan07]

I've been on the Beal bandwagon for a while as well. Beal, Barnes and Lamb are the safest wing picks in the draft.

But Beal...he's got a higher ceiling than the other two and more NBA star potential IMO. He's gonna be a special player. But if we draft him, sooner or later, we'll need to move DeRozan eventually. Long term, we'll have a very small backcourt and while I think Beal can hold his own I think DD will have problems guarding SFs

and Marlo, I NEED to have that sig. lol

I just cut the picture in MS Paint and put a little frame around it. Rock it with me bro, I don't mind.

Iight I'm takin it

On another note, I think long term Jeremy Lamb's stock takes a tumble.