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Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 6

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Whom do you want the Raptors to select in the 2012 NBA draft?

Anthony Davis
51
32%
Harrison Barnes
38
24%
Andre Drummond
6
4%
Perry Jones
3
2%
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
19
12%
Quincy Miller
5
3%
Jeremy Lamb
22
14%
Austin Rivers
4
3%
Bradley Beal
10
6%
Other
2
1%
 
Total votes: 160

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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 6 

Post#1201 » by FTW » Mon Feb 27, 2012 10:51 pm

TCHOKE wrote:im liking the idea of trading our pick for rondo and signing chandler
we badly need a dynamic pg

I'd be interested to see if Boston would consider that at all. Logic says it makes no sense to give up a proven young top-10 PG for a 3-8 pick in this draft.

As good as he is, Rondo comes with his own baggage however - just ask any Boston fan what his poor shooting means in clutch situations. Having a 1-2-3 linup that all lack the ability to create their own shot...well, definitely not ideal, no?
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Post#1202 » by tdotrep2 » Mon Feb 27, 2012 10:52 pm

i would rather keep the pick, it would be a whole different situation for him here in toronto and im not quite sure he will be able to produce at the same level.
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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 6 

Post#1203 » by FTW » Mon Feb 27, 2012 11:05 pm

Rondo-DD-Chandler/Johnson-Bargs/Val?

On paper, that's a solid playoff-calibre starting lineup and IMO not a team anyone would want to play. We desperately need a PG and there's a very good chance that a SF drafted at #5 this year will not be significantly better than Chandler.

But again, I don't think having Bargs and (possibly) DD as your go-to late-game shotmakers is a recipe for playoff success. Rondo doesn't fill the void of a clutch late-game shot creator, as Boston well understands.
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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 6 

Post#1204 » by Rapsfan07 » Mon Feb 27, 2012 11:27 pm

I like Rondo but he's not a good fit for what we've got here. DD can't shoot and adding Rondo makes us that much more easier to guard.

If Boston's smart, there's a few good young decent FA's coming up

Mayo
Batum
Asik
Chandler

They'll have $31 million to spend so I'm sure they can just keep Rondo and add pieces.
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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 6 

Post#1205 » by Dr Positivity » Mon Feb 27, 2012 11:53 pm

Building around Rondo is like NBC greenlighting a show based around Joey... he can't be that guy. I'd rather keep tanking to find a franchise player...
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Post#1206 » by Marlo Stanfield » Tue Feb 28, 2012 12:01 am

Rondo is that guy who can take you 40 minutes, and then your real star(s) finish off the last 8.
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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 6 

Post#1207 » by Waylon Mercy » Tue Feb 28, 2012 12:30 am

fredericklove wrote:
Waylon Mercy wrote:

As for Barnes he doesn't have anything in his skillset that is elite. Hes not an elite athlete, hes a decent shooter, has ok handles, average quickness, not the greatest as creating his own
shot and is inconsistent and disappears at times for long stretches.



His triple-threat is pretty skilled, not elite but it is suited for the NBA. And what are you smoking? How is he disappearing at times for long stretches?


I've watched almost every UNC game the last 2 years since Barnes has been there thats
what i've been smoking.
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Post#1208 » by fredericklove » Tue Feb 28, 2012 2:05 am

Waylon Mercy wrote:
fredericklove wrote:
Waylon Mercy wrote:

As for Barnes he doesn't have anything in his skillset that is elite. Hes not an elite athlete, hes a decent shooter, has ok handles, average quickness, not the greatest as creating his own
shot and is inconsistent and disappears at times for long stretches.



His triple-threat is pretty skilled, not elite but it is suited for the NBA. And what are you smoking? How is he disappearing at times for long stretches?


I've watched almost every UNC game the last 2 years since Barnes has been there thats
what i've been smoking.


So have I. So this is why I don't know what you're smoking about. Last year he had disappeared but this year? Since when he disappears in long stretches? You can say that about PJ3 and Drummond but not Barnes. He scores steadily and step into the game in crunch time. So this is why I still don't know what you've been smoking. You can choose to hate Barnes but criticizing some inconsistent non-sense issue about Barnes is just pathetic.
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Post#1209 » by Undefeated » Tue Feb 28, 2012 2:14 am

Kevin Willis wrote:I have to disagree with this one. The knock on Harden was that he was a bit pudgy, wasn't a good athlete and would sometimes dissappear or not hit clutch shots during crunch time. Barnes is the opposite. Harden was always smooth and Barnes is Mr. Roboto. But I do agree he's very safe.


While I don't think Barnes is anywhere near as smooth as James Harden, but I'd say he's far from robotic/mechanical with his moves.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5dVMCRc1rg&feature=channel_video_title[/youtube]

At 0:16 Barnes puts the ball on the deck and turns the corner off the Henson screen was a pretty explosive move to the basket to beat his defender trying to fight over the screen. At 0:23, Barnes does three inside-out dribbles with his knees bent to stay low giving him that quickness smoothly steps into a pull up jumper off the dribble. 0:54, Barnes does a step back jumper. Not stiff at all. Cleanly puts the ball on the floor for an easy blow-by and turns his mid-section slightly for the floater to avoid the charge when the second defender slid over. Great demonstration of body control in mid-air.

Maybe Barnes' jumpshot is too textbook like which is why he seems to look robotic. Based on all his off-dribble shooting, he's very smooth stepping into for a shot after a series of dribble moves.
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Post#1210 » by Waylon Mercy » Tue Feb 28, 2012 2:20 am

fredericklove...

The difference between you and me is I give completely honest evaluations where you get
attached to players and become a fanboy and fall in love with the fantasy of what that
player could potentially be or what you want him to be.

As a poster there have been times you've made good points but you like to talk like a little
boy or a fanboy maybe you are young but I find it disminishes you as a poster sometimes.
I have a hard time taking you seriously anymore with some of the things you say.

As for Barnes my eyes don't decieve me honest evaluations are always better then biased
evaluations. Calling me a hater or criticizing flaws in his game is a garbage when I already
stated I've been rooting for him to do well and take it to the next level because hes in
our draft range.
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Post#1211 » by sunny » Tue Feb 28, 2012 2:51 am

fredericklove is definitely a barnes fan boy (who IMO overrates him hard). However, he is probably the most dedicated poster in this thread and extremely helpful. For that, he can say whatever he wants.

Who cares if you have differences of opinion, its not like you two are both assistant gm's fighting to tell bc who the raps should pick.
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Post#1212 » by Waylon Mercy » Tue Feb 28, 2012 2:58 am

sunny wrote:fredericklove is definitely a barnes fan boy (who IMO overrates him hard). However, he is probably the most dedicated poster in this thread and extremely helpful. For that, he can say whatever he wants.

Who cares if you have differences of opinion, its not like you two are both assistant gm's fighting to tell bc who the raps should pick.


lol you interrupted us to post that?
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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 6 

Post#1213 » by fredericklove » Tue Feb 28, 2012 4:30 am

Waylon Mercy wrote:fredericklove...

The difference between you and me is I give completely honest evaluations where you get
attached to players
and become a fanboy and fall in love with the fantasy of what that
player could potentially be or what you want him to be.

As a poster there have been times you've made good points but you like to talk like a little
boy or a fanboy maybe you are young
but I find it disminishes you as a poster sometimes.
I have a hard time taking you seriously anymore with some of the things you say.

As for Barnes my eyes don't decieve me honest evaluations are always better then biased
evaluations. Calling me a hater or criticizing flaws in his game is a garbage when I already
stated I've been rooting for him to do well and take it to the next level because hes in
our draft range.


I get attached to player(s)? And you give more honest evaluations? I have given honest evaluations of the top prospects, I've listed all the strength/weakness of MKG, Lamb, Beal, and Qmiller, and I can be one to admit I don't bother to evaluate Drummond and PJ3. Saying you make more honest evaluation than me is just a joke as if you trying to make yourself feel better than me in terms of evaluating prospects? The only guy I'm attached to is Barnes but even I had spoken and admitted of his flaws in draft threads (during my argument with Steely), even as his fanboy I never once said he was a superstar in the making, or to draft him first overall, or said he's good at ball-handling or will be kobe or grant hill whatever, i don't know how ppl say i overrate him?

so far with you I only pointed out the "disappearing in long stretches" issue as inconsistent nonsense, and now you going hating on how I'm talking like a little boy? I'm being logical here, even you still haven't answer me how he disappears, calling me a little boy or fan boy has nothing to do with the argument I'm having with you. And like I said too, I never once ignore his flaws either, his poor ball-handling and lack of court vision I have talked about these two things a few times in the part 4 and 5. So I still don't know what you're smoking about now to be honest.
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Post#1214 » by Tough Tony D » Tue Feb 28, 2012 4:56 am

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Post#1215 » by Kevin Willis » Tue Feb 28, 2012 4:58 am

Undefeated wrote:
Kevin Willis wrote:I have to disagree with this one. The knock on Harden was that he was a bit pudgy, wasn't a good athlete and would sometimes dissappear or not hit clutch shots during crunch time. Barnes is the opposite. Harden was always smooth and Barnes is Mr. Roboto. But I do agree he's very safe.


While I don't think Barnes is anywhere near as smooth as James Harden, but I'd say he's far from robotic/mechanical with his moves.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5dVMCRc1rg&feature=channel_video_title[/youtube]

At 0:16 Barnes puts the ball on the deck and turns the corner off the Henson screen was a pretty explosive move to the basket to beat his defender trying to fight over the screen. At 0:23, Barnes does three inside-out dribbles with his knees bent to stay low giving him that quickness smoothly steps into a pull up jumper off the dribble. 0:54, Barnes does a step back jumper. Not stiff at all. Cleanly puts the ball on the floor for an easy blow-by and turns his mid-section slightly for the floater to avoid the charge when the second defender slid over. Great demonstration of body control in mid-air.

Maybe Barnes' jumpshot is too textbook like which is why he seems to look robotic. Based on all his off-dribble shooting, he's very smooth stepping into for a shot after a series of dribble moves.


You know I think you got it - he's too textbook. Like the spin move was good but it was almost deliberate. Go left - stopped. Assess. Spin right for lane. Joey Graham was like that too but Joey wasn't half the player Barnes is going to be. He's still one of the best prospects in the draft but I can see why ppl think he's safe and has a low ceiling. Q Mill - with all his flaws - has such a nice flow to his game. Different than Barnes even though I would much rather have Barnes.
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Post#1216 » by ash_k » Tue Feb 28, 2012 5:52 am

I think when people say mechanical; I think they mean (at least that is what I mean when I talk about Barnes) he doesn't have an array moves..his shooting creation/separation is almost always the same (just becomes Mechanical after a while)and you can see the jumper coming but with his mechanics, his angles and elevation off the dribble it will be very effective at the next level.

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Post#1217 » by Waylon Mercy » Tue Feb 28, 2012 5:52 am

fredericklove wrote:
Waylon Mercy wrote:fredericklove...

The difference between you and me is I give completely honest evaluations where you get
attached to players
and become a fanboy and fall in love with the fantasy of what that
player could potentially be or what you want him to be.

As a poster there have been times you've made good points but you like to talk like a little
boy or a fanboy maybe you are young
but I find it disminishes you as a poster sometimes.
I have a hard time taking you seriously anymore with some of the things you say.

As for Barnes my eyes don't decieve me honest evaluations are always better then biased
evaluations. Calling me a hater or criticizing flaws in his game is a garbage when I already
stated I've been rooting for him to do well and take it to the next level because hes in
our draft range.


I get attached to player(s)? And you give more honest evaluations? I have given honest evaluations of the top prospects, I've listed all the strength/weakness of MKG, Lamb, Beal, and Qmiller, and I can be one to admit I don't bother to evaluate Drummond and PJ3. Saying you make more honest evaluation than me is just a joke as if you trying to make yourself feel better than me in terms of evaluating prospects? The only guy I'm attached to is Barnes but even I had spoken and admitted of his flaws in draft threads (during my argument with Steely), even as his fanboy I never once said he was a superstar in the making, or to draft him first overall, or said he's good at ball-handling or will be kobe or grant hill whatever, i don't know how ppl say i overrate him?

so far with you I only pointed out the "disappearing in long stretches" issue as inconsistent nonsense, and now you going hating on how I'm talking like a little boy? I'm being logical here, even you still haven't answer me how he disappears, calling me a little boy or fan boy has nothing to do with the argument I'm having with you. And like I said too, I never once ignore his flaws either, his poor ball-handling and lack of court vision I have talked about these two things a few times in the part 4 and 5. So I still don't know what you're smoking about now to be honest.



I don't know how I debate "disappearing for long stretches"? I mean you claim you watch every
UNC game I mean you must see the times where Barnes goes 1-8 in halfs and you forget hes
on the court? This is one of Banes biggest problems...then all of a sudden he can get hot and
hit a few shots in a row.

I just don't understand how stating the obvious is me "hating" or me "smoking something"?
Just the fact that you would say something like that indicates to me that your either a fan
boy or you don't know what your talking about.

For example Barnes was 3-15 last game with 7 points he had a bad game yet me saying Barnes
has disappeared for long stretches makes you go off the deep end? And im supposed to debate
the truth?

As for the rest of my comments....There are times you make some good points but you almost
discredit yourself with silly goofy kid talk and you get attached to players whether its MKG or
Irving and you act like a little fan boy it could be part of your schtick and theres nothing
wrong with liking those players but if you wanna have a serious discussion about these players
without being an over protective fanboy you'd be that much better a poster.
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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 6 

Post#1218 » by ty123 » Tue Feb 28, 2012 5:55 am

Too many Barnes lovers on this board. Guy is going to have a lot of trouble blowing by his defender at the next level.
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Post#1219 » by ash_k » Tue Feb 28, 2012 6:07 am

ty123 wrote:Too many Barnes lovers on this board. Guy is going to have a lot of trouble blowing by his defender at the next level.


They will have to play him tight due to that famous shot :wink: vs your MKG which they will lay off of due his suspect shot

Who do you think wins "the race to the basket"? :wink:
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Post#1220 » by ty123 » Tue Feb 28, 2012 6:11 am

ash_k wrote:
ty123 wrote:Too many Barnes lovers on this board. Guy is going to have a lot of trouble blowing by his defender at the next level.


They will have to play him tight due to that famous shot :wink: vs your MKG which they will lay off of due his suspect shot

Who do you think wins "the race to the basket"? :wink:


Even if you play him tight he's not going to get by with that upright drive and crappy handles.

In a race I think Barnes would dribble it off his foot.

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