Official Speculation Thread (Pt XIII, Mods Close)

[Reverse_Angle]

Who else thinks CHI would be crazy to give up Deng and Boozer for Pau??? As a Magic fan, if we get Monta, I would be all for CHI doing that trade. They get weaker, IMO.

On a side note, LAL might be thinking if they get Boozer (Howards friend) and then they offer us Deng and Bynum for Howard, Turk, Nelson then Howard would resign there because he will have a starting lineup of all his buddies.

that trade will not happen. deng is the glue that holds that team together. chicago execs are probably laughing their assess off for the last 5 hours.

[OrlandO]

Anderson also sucked in the 2nd meetings vs ATL and MIA... you know, after those teams realized they need to keep a man on him. Add those games to the two Boston games and it's hard to be optimistic about the playoffs since those are teams we'd have to face. Chance of him not being able to score much in the playoffs is much higher than him having consistent 20pt games. He's a really good offensive rebounder, but if he's not also scoring a lot, is he really worth keeping over a guy like Ellis?

And after Ellis put up 48 on OKC, they realized they had to guard him then he got 11 on 4/13 shooting hte next game.

At least anderson will rebound. If Ellis isn't scoring he is useless.

The difference is, in order to guard Ellis, you have to double him because he's too quick and creative once he's at the rim. If teams do double, that opens opportunities for others. Nobody has to double Anderson and he's a lot easier to guard 1on1. Another difference is we've already seen what happens when contending teams play Dwight straight-up and keep a guy glued on Ryno. You tried to use Ellis' production the next game to illustrate that he's no different than Ryno, but that's not true is it? Ellis doesn't have the best center in the league down low or anybody even close, does he? What would happen if a quick, athletic guard, who can get to the rim and finish is paired with Dwight? It will cause huge problems, that's what. I'd miss Ryno's offensive rebounding, but I'll gladly replace it with what we gain from Ellis and imo increased possibility of swaying Dwight to stay.

[Reverse_Angle]

if you get ellis, you are roughly getting jameer-level court-vision. You still need a play-maker wing/forward.

it does not have to be hedo. i guess we can get lamar, vintage grant hill, paul pierce, piers morgan, etc. but i still think the best option is lebron.

[The Real Dalic]

Anderson also sucked in the 2nd meetings vs ATL and MIA... you know, after those teams realized they need to keep a man on him. Add those games to the two Boston games and it's hard to be optimistic about the playoffs since those are teams we'd have to face. Chance of him not being able to score much in the playoffs is much higher than him having consistent 20pt games. He's a really good offensive rebounder, but if he's not also scoring a lot, is he really worth keeping over a guy like Ellis?

And after Ellis put up 48 on OKC, they realized they had to guard him then he got 11 on 4/13 shooting hte next game.

At least anderson will rebound. If Ellis isn't scoring he is useless.

The difference is, in order to guard Ellis, you have to double him because he's too quick and creative once he's at the rim. If teams do double, that opens opportunities for others. Nobody has to double Anderson and he's a lot easier to guard 1on1. Another difference is we've already seen what happens when contending teams play Dwight straight-up and keep a guy glued on Ryno. You tried to use Ellis' production the next game to illustrate that he's no different than Ryno, but that's not true is it? Ellis doesn't have the best center in the league down low or anybody even close, does he? What would happen if a quick, athletic guard, who can get to the rim and finish is paired with Dwight? It will cause huge problems, that's what. I'd miss Ryno's offensive rebounding, but I'll gladly replace it with what we gain from Ellis and imo increased possibility of swaying Dwight to stay.

I agree, well said.

[The Real Dalic]

if you get ellis, you are roughly getting jameer-level court-vision. You still need a play-maker wing/forward.

it does not have to be hedo. i guess we can get lamar, vintage grant hill, paul pierce, piers morgan, etc. but i still think the best option is lebron.

WTF?

[Nemesis21]

if you get ellis, you are roughly getting jameer-level court-vision. You still need a play-maker wing/forward.

it does not have to be hedo. i guess we can get lamar, vintage grant hill, paul pierce, piers morgan, etc. but i still think the best option is lebron.

If we get Ellis I prefer to keep Hedo, with Q and Liggins getting minutes behind him. Turk can do the majority of the ball handling/play making, allowing Ellis to be a scorer.

[Reverse_Angle]

if you get ellis, you are roughly getting jameer-level court-vision. You still need a play-maker wing/forward.

it does not have to be hedo. i guess we can get lamar, vintage grant hill, paul pierce, piers morgan, etc. but i still think the best option is lebron.

WTF?

[The Real Dalic]

if you get ellis, you are roughly getting jameer-level court-vision. You still need a play-maker wing/forward.

it does not have to be hedo. i guess we can get lamar, vintage grant hill, paul pierce, piers morgan, etc. but i still think the best option is lebron.

If we get Ellis I prefer to keep Hedo, with Q and Liggins getting minutes behind him. Turk can do the majority of the ball handling/play making, allowing Ellis to be a scorer.

That's what I was thinking when people have said he can't be a playmaker than we can just keep Hedo.

[arkknight1988]

if you get ellis, you are roughly getting jameer-level court-vision. You still need a play-maker wing/forward.

it does not have to be hedo. i guess we can get lamar, vintage grant hill, paul pierce, piers morgan, etc. but i still think the best option is lebron.

monta would be our playmaker. what is nelson bringing us exactly, he plays with no energy. ur a homer if u think getting ellis would make us worse. just wait until the thunder game when we won't be able to score.

[fendilim]

^^^ I concur.
I don't see any reason why we trade Hedo. Trading him would only cause us another early playoff exit, IMO. He's been good, not great, this year and his role in the offense right now, is just hard to replace in the middle of the season. And IF ever we get Ellis, Hedo's perimeter game will play a really vital role as he is quite good of a spot up shooter, as well.

[Noonskadoodle]

May be very late to the party but Sam Amico says Beasley to the Celtics could be close.

[OrlandO]

And this concludes my excitement for Ellis... because ultimately I think some other team nabs him... I just hope we can get Nash or a scorer who can actually put up 20pts a game. Something must change.

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[arkknight1988]

that phx trade may of been the dagger for us but we will see how it plays out.

[Last Guardian]

Anderson also sucked in the 2nd meetings vs ATL and MIA... you know, after those teams realized they need to keep a man on him. Add those games to the two Boston games and it's hard to be optimistic about the playoffs since those are teams we'd have to face. Chance of him not being able to score much in the playoffs is much higher than him having consistent 20pt games. He's a really good offensive rebounder, but if he's not also scoring a lot, is he really worth keeping over a guy like Ellis?

And after Ellis put up 48 on OKC, they realized they had to guard him then he got 11 on 4/13 shooting hte next game.

At least anderson will rebound. If Ellis isn't scoring he is useless.

The difference is, in order to guard Ellis, you have to double him because he's too quick and creative once he's at the rim. If teams do double, that opens opportunities for others. Nobody has to double Anderson and he's a lot easier to guard 1on1. Another difference is we've already seen what happens when contending teams play Dwight straight-up and keep a guy glued on Ryno. You tried to use Ellis' production the next game to illustrate that he's no different than Ryno, but that's not true is it? Ellis doesn't have the best center in the league down low or anybody even close, does he? What would happen if a quick, athletic guard, who can get to the rim and finish is paired with Dwight? It will cause huge problems, that's what. I'd miss Ryno's offensive rebounding, but I'll gladly replace it with what we gain from Ellis and imo increased possibility of swaying Dwight to stay.

Any contending team is just going to play everyone straight up and let Monta Ellis take 20+ shots to try to win the game. That isn't getting us through Miami or Chicago, at all.

We'd CLEARLY benefit more from a passing PG. How do we get that? No idea. Just look at what Rafer Alston did for us.

And you are just massively undervaluing Ryan Anderson, as is most everyone here. Maybe you see a one dimensional shooter, but his scoring efficiency is great and is one of the best offensive rebounders in the league. His production is phenomenal, no matter what you think of his game. He is an uber role player, and one of the only reasons this team is even remotely decent this season.

[PeePee la Fritz]

May be very late to the party but Sam Amico says Beasley to the Celtics could be close.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I hate the Celtics

[The Real Dalic]

May be very late to the party but Sam Amico says Beasley to the Celtics could be close.

I don't see that anywhere? where did you get this from?

[IGotDaMagicInMe]

I would love Nash over Ellis. . .except. . .how old is Nash? 38? He has, like, what, TWELVE YEARS on Ellis?? Nash is awesome, one of my favourite players, but he is the fifth oldest player in the league and his contract expires at the end of the year, plus who knows how he does without the suns medical team. . .I mean, fun fact, the second oldest player in the league is grant hill and he's on the suns too. . .coincidence?

[The Real Dalic]

that phx trade may of been the dagger for us but we will see how it plays out.

What?

[arkknight1988]

why are we not going after beasley?

[The Real Dalic]

Any contending team is just going to play everyone straight up and let Monta Ellis take 20+ shots to try to win the game. That isn't getting us through Miami or Chicago, at all.

We'd CLEARLY benefit more from a passing PG. How do we get that? No idea. Just look at what Rafer Alston did for us.

And you are just massively undervaluing Ryan Anderson, as is most everyone here. Maybe you see a one dimensional shooter, but his scoring efficiency is great and is one of the best offensive rebounders in the league. His production is phenomenal, no matter what you think of his game. He is an uber role player, and one of the only reasons this team is even remotely decent this season.

You're undervaluing penetration... the defense would collapse and one or two passes later you get either a layup or open 3 pointer.