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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt XIII: Trade Deadline con 

Post#361 » by Bensational » Thu Mar 1, 2012 1:09 pm

eyriq wrote:Slept on it, and I'm still thinking that giving up Anderson is too much, but I'm more torn on it. Ellis is enticing. Top 5 scoring guard and top 10 guard overall. Lack of efficiency could be either a flaw of function or role, but even if it is a product of function he is potent as is if not better than Anderson. If it is a product of role though, he could have a higher ceiling than Anderson and would be worth the trade. His situation strikes me as a bit like Melo's. Melo is extremely talented big time scorer, but just limited enough to hold him back from top 5 discussions. Ellis is like that just less talented. With Melo if you need that #1 option player he will suffice, but you are going to need to put more talent around him than you would some of the other #1 options, like Durant or Wade or Rose or LeBron, because he does struggle with efficiency and has deficits on defense that you'll need to plug up. With Ellis, it is even more glaring and while he can be your #1 offensive option I'm not at all convinced he can be your best player. Most likely it is a issue with function for Ellis, and he just doesn't have the full package to be a truly elite player. So then you ask, what is more valuable, a highly efficient stretch 4 that rebounds or a big time dynamic guard? Drexler and Hakeem won but Ellis is no Drexler in terms of efficiency and all around game. Other comparisons are an even bigger stretch, such as young Kobe.


the way i think of it is a simple plug and play. replace Nelson with Ellis, and what do you get? similar play, just with more scoring, and more consistent scoring. who touches the ball more, and has more opportunity to impact a game between Nelson and Anderson? Nelson does. so, if we had a Jameer Nelson on the team who was capable of putting up 20ppg, i think you'd find Anderson would be seen as a much less crucial player.

and that's not by any fault of Anderson's, it's just that Anderson isn't treated as any kind of featured scorer. he's just option 1 on an outlet pass, which has every possibility of cycling through any of the open options available at the time.

if this team made a point of giving Anderson a bigger role, then i'd probably be more inclined to want to keep him. but, as it is, this team needs a guy who can go get his own points, more than it needs a guy who needs another guy to get him an open shot.

but, you should have a list of replacements to make deals for once Anderson has been moved for Ellis. i wouldn't want Davis as the starter.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt XIII: Trade Deadline con 

Post#362 » by N Ireland Nets » Thu Mar 1, 2012 1:13 pm

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Howard Mass wrote:I think it could be a good possibility because it takes another player Dwight wants off the board.

I think they are going to move Lopez eventually (they will likely match any offer) if Dwight signs outright and it makes sense to get a scorer to pair with Dwight and Deron.

If they get Ellis, it could really sweeten the deal even more for Dwight to head to Brooklyn.

I'm not sure Ellis would fit but they will do everything to get Dwight.


Ugh.........That almost makes too much sense.


sadly, yeah it does.

Brooklyn probably should look to move Lopez now for that perfect 3rd piece to go with Dwight and Deron - rather than waiting for an s&t.

Orlando need to find a way to make an offer for Ellis that trumps Lopez.

I'm thinking something involving either Utah, with Jefferson going to GSW, or New Orleans, with Kaman going to GSW. Those are the two best, most attainable, C's.


Hi, Nets fan here.

Going by what Billy King has been saying hes looking to try and make a big three of Williams, Lopez and Howard.

The main problem we have is gaining another star type player for Lopez that would still enable us to still have the cap room to sign Howard as a free agent. If we traded Lopez for someone like Josh Smith, he has a trade kicker of 15% so thats a no no. Basically we'd need a stud on a rookie or cap friendly type deal and to be honest there just isnt anybody so keeping Lopez is just the logical option.

It would be much easier to trade Lopez next trade deadline if we were lucky enough to acquire Howard and Williams resigns due to Lopez's new contract and being able to match it other stars contract via trade. Then players like Smith, Iggy, Gay etc could be targeted because cap room is of no concern for the future. Hope that makes some sense.

On the magic, honestly I totally understand what your front office is doing looking to bring someone in but realistically you dont have many assets outside Anderson. If you moved Anderson and others for Ellis your still not really improving drastically, its just swapping a good pf for a good sg. I personally just dont see what benefit GSW have in dealing with Orlando, surely any centre thats available would be easier to obtain through a straight trade between GSW and whoever. Plus I cant think of any decent centre's that are available.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt XIII: Trade Deadline con 

Post#363 » by tiderulz » Thu Mar 1, 2012 1:20 pm

Howard Mass wrote:They are going to try though and even though Dwight is a threat to leave for New Jersey, what they are offering is just not worth it.


how is Dwight walking for nothing worth more than tradable assets+pick(s) and swallowing at least 1 bad contract?
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt XIII: Trade Deadline con 

Post#364 » by fendilim » Thu Mar 1, 2012 1:21 pm

N Ireland Nets wrote:
On the magic, honestly I totally understand what your front office is doing looking to bring someone in but realistically you dont have many assets outside Anderson. If you moved Anderson and others for Ellis your still not really improving drastically, its just swapping a good pf for a good sg. I personally just dont see what benefit GSW have in dealing with Orlando, surely any centre thats available would be easier to obtain through a straight trade between GSW and whoever. Plus I cant think of any decent centre's that are available.

agreed. I doubt we land Ellis for Ryan Anderson though, HIGHLY DOUBTFUL.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt XIII: Trade Deadline con 

Post#365 » by jadewbj » Thu Mar 1, 2012 1:29 pm

Dwight is a sensitive guy, he wants to be liked and wants to be the man. He knows that there is no way he gets to be both by going anywhere else. If he goes to NY there is too much there to be the man. If he goes to LA it will always be kobes team. Dallas is Dirks team. He wants to have "his team".

He knows that leaving will make a large part of his fan base not like him and he doesn't get to own the town and have "his own team".

The problem is he wants to win a championship and he knows as constructed the team can't do it. He wants changes. The team is afraid to commit to making moves that remove their flexibility if D12 leaves. They would make any move he wants if he commits. The problem is D12 doesn't have the faith they will so he won't commit unless the moves are made.

Its a who will blink first situation. To me it is good news that the magic are out there trying to make some of the moves that Dwight specifically asked for.

So if getting Monta makes D12 sign then nobody is untouchable, unless D12 said don't get rid of X.

Just my guess on where we are at looking at all the insider reports and rumors and D12's stances lately.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt XIII: Trade Deadline con 

Post#366 » by WeAreVenom » Thu Mar 1, 2012 1:32 pm

Everyone is saying that the Nets' offer is good or "better than (insert other option)", but you guys have to realize.......We don't actually know what their offer is.

We're all assuming they would give up Lopez/Brooks/1st and/or Expirer, while swallowing Duhon and Turk, but that might not be the case at all. Remember their last (Please Use More Appropriate Word) offer? Lopez/Wallace for Dwight/Duhon? There is a very strong chance that they aren't offering half of what we think they will, considering Dwight demanded a trade there.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt XIII: Trade Deadline con 

Post#367 » by Nyce_1 » Thu Mar 1, 2012 1:34 pm

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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt XIII: Trade Deadline con 

Post#368 » by tiderulz » Thu Mar 1, 2012 1:39 pm

WeAreVenom wrote:Everyone is saying that the Nets' offer is good or "better than (insert other option)", but you guys have to realize.......We don't actually know what their offer is.

We're all assuming they would give up Lopez/Brooks/1st and/or Expirer, while swallowing Duhon and Turk, but that might not be the case at all. Remember their last (Please Use More Appropriate Word) offer? Lopez/Wallace for Dwight/Duhon? There is a very strong chance that they aren't offering half of what we think they will, considering Dwight demanded a trade there.


but we also dont know that the Lopez/Wallace offer was real either. Can you honestly believe that Wallace was worth 3 1st round picks? so parts of that story werent right. And i thought it came out that Dwights agent made up most of that story to get the Magic FO moving?
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt XIII: Trade Deadline con 

Post#369 » by AhaAha » Thu Mar 1, 2012 1:45 pm

what about something like this: http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7k4pcty

and GSW gets Phoenix first round pick

Why Orlando? We get Ellis obviously. Get a backup PF with a bad contract.

Why GSW? They downgrade on SG PF and upgrade on Center but J.Rich is on a cheap contract and Anderson will not get paid like Lee. The upgrade on center is not so big but now they got 2 quality picks for the next draft.
GS maybe a bit worse after but they get starter material players back a 1st in a good draft and cap room.

Why Phoenix? IF they dont want to trade Nash they must upgrade their roster. They get a massive upgrade at PF with David Lee. So they have 3 quality starters with Nash Lee and Gortat.
But u cant get Lee for Channing Frye and Hakim Warrick so they have to include the pick.
Now u are set on 3 positions. Amnesty Childress and upgrade SG and or SF.

Makes sense for me.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt XIII: Trade Deadline con 

Post#370 » by Nyce_1 » Thu Mar 1, 2012 1:48 pm

It Nets trade for Ellis, would they be able to sign Dwight to a max? What would their capspace look like with an additional $10M? One of their fans had a good break down of their current cap situation with all the cap holds and if none of their players opt out; as it stands, they WOULDN'T be able to offer Dwight a true max (him & Derron would still have to split $380K), but I'm curious to know who they give up to eat the salary of Ellis & potential filler.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt XIII: Trade Deadline con 

Post#371 » by HstryInTheMakng » Thu Mar 1, 2012 1:54 pm

I don't see a direct trade with GS, but what if we work a 3 way with MIL, something along the lines of:

Orlando IN: Jennings, Jackson, Bierdrins

Golden State IN: Bogut, +fillers

MIL: Monta, Redick, Turk

Sure we don't get monta, but we get two guys that make our team much better without giving up anderson.

Jennings
J-rich
SJAX
Anderson
D12

Thoughts?
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt XIII: Trade Deadline con 

Post#372 » by BelgianMagic » Thu Mar 1, 2012 1:55 pm

Nash for Kardashian? You gotta be kidding me :-?
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The word on the streets is that the Mavs may trade Lamar Odom to Phoenix for Steve Nash. That will get Odom closer to his home in LA.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt XIII: Trade Deadline con 

Post#373 » by Nyce_1 » Thu Mar 1, 2012 2:05 pm

HstryInTheMakng wrote:I don't see a direct trade with GS, but what if we work a 3 way with MIL, something along the lines of:

Orlando IN: Jennings, Jackson, Bierdrins

Golden State IN: Bogut, +fillers

MIL: Monta, Redick, Turk

Sure we don't get monta, but we get two guys that make our team much better without giving up anderson.

Jennings
J-rich
SJAX
Anderson
D12

Thoughts?

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No way Bucks give up Jennings, Bogut, & Jackson for Monta, Redick, Turk. This is just bad. Trades have to benefit ALL teams involved, not just 1.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt XIII: Trade Deadline con 

Post#374 » by arkknight1988 » Thu Mar 1, 2012 2:08 pm

BelgianMagic wrote:Nash for Kardashian? You gotta be kidding me :-?
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The word on the streets is that the Mavs may trade Lamar Odom to Phoenix for Steve Nash. That will get Odom closer to his home in LA.

oh goodness.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt XIII: Trade Deadline con 

Post#375 » by RickB-Orlando » Thu Mar 1, 2012 2:08 pm

BelgianMagic wrote:Nash for Kardashian? You gotta be kidding me :-?
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The word on the streets is that the Mavs may trade Lamar Odom to Phoenix for Steve Nash. That will get Odom closer to his home in LA.

Who is Dwain Price, reputable source? If I'm PHX I would vastly prefer a deal built on Ryno, regardless of how close it gets Odom to home.

Word on my street is that at the AllStar game Dwight whispered into DeVos's ear, "Don't worry baby, I'm here for the long haul." which of course means nothing because I'm not a reputable source. I know the guy is a writer in Dallas but no idea what his reputation is on leaks.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt XIII: Trade Deadline con 

Post#376 » by BelgianMagic » Thu Mar 1, 2012 2:10 pm

RickB-Orlando wrote:
BelgianMagic wrote:Nash for Kardashian? You gotta be kidding me :-?
Dwain Price@DwainPrice
The word on the streets is that the Mavs may trade Lamar Odom to Phoenix for Steve Nash. That will get Odom closer to his home in LA.

Who is Dwain Price, reputable source?

Mavs' beat writer ..
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt XIII: Trade Deadline con 

Post#377 » by AhaAha » Thu Mar 1, 2012 2:13 pm

BelgianMagic wrote:Nash for Kardashian? You gotta be kidding me :-?
Dwain Price@DwainPrice
The word on the streets is that the Mavs may trade Lamar Odom to Phoenix for Steve Nash. That will get Odom closer to his home in LA.


Lol Mavs try to dump Odom and get Nash in return..no way...

Who runs the point in PHX after this trade??
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt XIII: Trade Deadline con 

Post#378 » by Nyce_1 » Thu Mar 1, 2012 2:14 pm

RickB-Orlando wrote:
BelgianMagic wrote:Nash for Kardashian? You gotta be kidding me :-?
Dwain Price@DwainPrice
The word on the streets is that the Mavs may trade Lamar Odom to Phoenix for Steve Nash. That will get Odom closer to his home in LA.

Who is Dwain Price, reputable source? If I'm PHX I would vastly prefer a deal built on Ryno, regardless of how close it gets Odom to home.

Word on my street is that at the AllStar game Dwight whispered into DeVos's ear, "Don't worry baby, I'm here for the long haul." which of course means nothing because I'm not a reputable source. I know the guy is a writer in Dallas but no idea what his reputation is on leaks.

really?
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt XIII: Trade Deadline con 

Post#379 » by arkknight1988 » Thu Mar 1, 2012 2:15 pm

RickB-Orlando wrote:
BelgianMagic wrote:Nash for Kardashian? You gotta be kidding me :-?
Dwain Price@DwainPrice
The word on the streets is that the Mavs may trade Lamar Odom to Phoenix for Steve Nash. That will get Odom closer to his home in LA.

Who is Dwain Price, reputable source? If I'm PHX I would vastly prefer a deal built on Ryno, regardless of how close it gets Odom to home.

Word on my street is that at the AllStar game Dwight whispered into DeVos's ear, "Don't worry baby, I'm here for the long haul." which of course means nothing because I'm not a reputable source. I know the guy is a writer in Dallas but no idea what his reputation is on leaks.

i hope we don't offer anderson for nash. i don't want to giftwrap them a anderson/gortat combo.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt XIII: Trade Deadline con 

Post#380 » by Nyce_1 » Thu Mar 1, 2012 2:18 pm

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