Hi, my name is Fab Melo and I'm a top 10 2012 talent

Piecake · Post #21 » by **Piecake** » Sun Mar 4, 2012 11:36 pm

Take it from a Wolves fan, Cuse player = stay away, stay far far away, especially if he has a good smile

Superiorblogman · Post #22 » by **Superiorblogman** » Tue Mar 6, 2012 5:48 am

I don't know if Melo will ever be a starter in the NBA. Does not rebound well, has good athletic ability but really does nothing other than block shots and that is like the hardest thing to translate at the next level if it wasn't then Varnado would be in the league

Post #23 » by **FNQ** » Tue Mar 6, 2012 3:30 pm

Thats all he can do in a Cuse defense.

His 13-14% rebound rate isn't really that bad. He has excellent hands, and plays in a system designed to force perimeter jumpers.... which Cuse does very well. Which of course means more perimeter boards, favoring the wings, especially SF in college. I think he'll be a fine rebounder in the NBA, or at least, impact his teams' rebounding in a positive way. He boxes out, something thats rare for a 7 footer.

His offense is the primary concern, and he has decent enough footwork and form to make it a possibility down the road. Never a go to guy, but a guy who could possibly put up 10ppg along with good to great defense. Tyson Chandler is an excellent comparison IMO, just a not as physically gifted one. That said, he doesnt have the injury history Chandler does either.

There's a write-up by some Cuse fans not to long ago, detailing how teams tend to kill Cuse on the offensive boards, yet curiously have minimal 2nd chance points. They also detailed how most of those rebounds came more than 10 ft from the basket... with Melo averaging 6 boards in 24 minutes in that type of system, I'd lean towards him being a much, much better boarder than box scores indicate.

Post #24 » by **FNQ** » Wed Mar 7, 2012 4:13 pm

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/w ... index.html

Just to pile on...

I see a lottery pick here. Think hes criminally underrated if the consensus has him at middle/late 1st. No chance at all that he's a 2nd... Throw out any mock that has him there.

Also a lock to declare this year.. He's struggling in school

ManualRam · Post #25 » by **ManualRam** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 6:37 pm

what an idiot.
fab is ineligible for the tourney.
good thing i didnt turn my brackets in yet.

vincecarter4pres · Post #26 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 9:57 pm

ManualRam wrote:what an idiot.
fab is ineligible for the tourney.
good thing i didnt turn my brackets in yet.

I had Vandy taking them out, but now I don't know Cuse even gets that far.

Post #27 » by **FNQ** » Wed Mar 14, 2012 12:52 am

Thats a great thing for teams like us, who could still be interested in him in the late 1st

Ettorefm · Post #28 » by **Ettorefm** » Sat Mar 17, 2012 6:42 pm

He's not american. There's your explanation.
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He's not only not american, but not even european, so they obviously overlook him.
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Fabrício is a freak of nature and should be a lottery pick.

biskvito · Post #29 » by **biskvito** » Fri Apr 6, 2012 9:13 pm

I really like the fact he's underrated and overlooked. Hope it helps his transition. Future can be really brilliant if he's lucky enough to land the right coaching. Offensively he has a nice jumpshot to build around: http://youtu.be/7hgDSwBL-i4

Golabki · Post #30 » by **Golabki** » Fri Apr 6, 2012 9:35 pm

BrotherDave wrote:I think he could be slept on like Roy Hibbert was.

Hibbert was a MUCH better player his freshman and sophomore year.

Among big east centers Melo is a below average offensive player, and average rebounder. Sure he blocks shoots, but so did Thabeet. Melo is a nice flier to take in the late first, but certainly doesn't deserve to go in the lottery.

mavs7777 · Post #31 » by **mavs7777** » Fri Apr 6, 2012 10:14 pm

There are too many weaknesses for Melo to be a top 10 2012 talent

Weaknesses:
Poor rebounder
Offensive skill
Leave feet too much on pumpfakes
Has yet to prove he can play man defense.

He is 2-3 years from really contributing in the NBA but he has potential and that is why he will certainly go first round.

Post #32 » by **FNQ** » Sat Apr 7, 2012 12:12 am

Poor rebounder? No way... Quit looking at boxscores to evaluate.

He's got offensive upside and has done well in the zone defense, which translates very well to the NBA game. When its all said and done, people will wonder how they overlooked such a talent

Biscayne Beast · Post #33 » by **Biscayne Beast** » Sat Apr 7, 2012 12:21 am

Miami could use a player like him, I wanna see his actual measurements tho.

addygrace · Post #34 » by **addygrace** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 6:32 am

The Trademaker wrote:Miami could use a player like him, I wanna see his actual measurements tho.

Yeah, I think a powerhouse team may get very lucky picking this guy up late. I just don't get it.

ManualRam · Post #35 » by **ManualRam** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 6:46 am

FireNellieQuick wrote:Poor rebounder? No way... Quit looking at boxscores to evaluate.

He's got offensive upside and has done well in the zone defense, which translates very well to the NBA game. When its all said and done, people will wonder how they overlooked such a talent

he's not a poor rebounder, but the zone does not help with rebounding technique, especially on the defensive end. melo is a better offensive rebounder than he is a defensive rebounder.
offensive rebounding is a good sign of being able to area rebound and effort...but at the college level it could also just be a result of his size advantage.

also, excelling in man defense translates to the NBA better than excelling in zone.

mavs7777 · Post #36 » by **mavs7777** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 8:32 am

Melo averages 9.3 rebounds per 40 minutes pace adjusted, that is poor.

mavs7777 · Post #37 » by **mavs7777** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 8:48 am

Here are likely first round picks that are bigs

Rebounds per 40 pace adjusted:
1. Thomas Robinson: 14.7
2. Draymond Green: 13 (borderline)
3. Anthony Davis: 12.7
4. Mason Plumlee: 12.5
5. John Henson: 12.4
6. Tyler Zeller: 12.4
7. Jared Sullinger: 12
8. Arnett Moultrie: 11.6
9. Royce White: 11.6
10. Andrew Nicholson: 11.2
11. Andre Drummond: 10.8
12. Meyers Leonard: 10.4
13. Perry Jones: 9.8
14. Terrence Jones: 9.8
15. Fab Melo: 9.3

No first round big ranks lower than him

Post #38 » by **FNQ** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 4:59 pm

mavs7777 wrote:Melo averages 9.3 rebounds per 40 minutes pace adjusted, that is poor.

Context counts.

Syracuse play(ed) a zone where Melo was the centerpiece, and it forced teams to stay perimeter against Cuse most of the time. Perimeter shots = longer rebounds = less opportunities for a traditional C to grab rebounds. There was an excellent advanced stat article about how Melo impacted Cuse's rebounding and defense by one of their fan-sites.. it detailed how when Melo was off-court, Cuse's other bigs rebounded insanely better while the defensive efficiency plummeted. Basically, it showed how important Melo was to Cuse and how important keeping players on the perimeter as well as he did is. And THAT translates to the NBA level, not just baseless stats.

The truth is, he's a solid rebounder with excellent hands. He'll do fine at the next level rebounding..

ManualRam wrote:
also, excelling in man defense translates to the NBA better than excelling in zone.

Could not disagree more, and I know several NBA team officials that would say the same. Mostly because I used to be in the same boat you were, until we had several discussions on it.

Excelling against future cubicle-jockeys isn't really all that impressive. Especially for Cs, as there is a dearth of talent at the position offensively, both in college and the NBA. On the other hand, help defense is more about positioning and understanding of the game, and that translates to the NBA infinitely better than just standard man defense. Its much, much harder to get someone to learn team concepts, as it requires the entire team to practice it. Man defense, you only need one other person.

And thats before we really consider the C position in the NBA, which is mainly based on help defense.

mavs7777 · Post #39 » by **mavs7777** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 5:10 pm

The Center position is in no way poor any more. Between Dwight, Bynum, Marc Gasol, Al Horford, Al Jefferson, Brook Lopez, Marcin Gortat, Greg Monroe, Pekovic, Roy Hibbert, Nene there are talented offensive centers, help principles and zone principles are 2 completley different things anyways. Melo has no offensive skills, has yet to prove he can play man defense, is at best a mediocre rebounder, but a GM is sure to make a mistake on him.

Post #40 » by **FNQ** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 5:37 pm

You literally listed all the C's that are capable of making offensive moves... which more or less proves my point. Although it was more than I remember, and I consider several of those players PFs who are playing at C. And their splits/team defense would agree with me on that too. Those players being Horford, Al Jefferson, and Greg Monroe. I'll make that trade off every day, let those 3 try and score on Melo while the rest of my team goose-steps to the rim.

You also came back with nothing other than stating your opinion that Melo is at best a mediocre rebounder. It's just so evident you're reading off a scouting report and weren't a huge Cuse fan, I just wonder why your types are so opinionated when you just don't have the data. The guy has great timing, great hands, boxes out and has solid explosion and quickness for a big man. He was a dominant rebounder before coming to Syracuse and their lethal zone... so he just forgot how to board?