Magic Want A Carmelo Like Trade

[Hon-essim]

It's actually one of the better news out there.

People saying this is simply to rip other teams off don't understand how good the two trades were for both Denver and New York. It's not like this same bitching wasn't present then.

If Orlando manages to keep Dwight (regardless of how big of an IF that is) then whatever contract Dwight gets is what the rest of the league have to adjust to AND Dwight has a guaranteed contract which increases his trade value AND teams are forced to really take the bad contracts and offer Orlando something better.

[[GR]]

I would like to see one person say that they would make the trade of Melo, Billups, AC, Balkman, and Sheldon Williams for Gallinari, Mozgov, Chandler and Felton.

Knicks 18-21.... Denver 22-18...

Chandler isn't there, Felton isn't there, Gallo was injured for a month, and Moz barely contributes. The Knicks have a better roster now, than they ever did before the trade. It's a matter of Karl vs Pringles, and we know who wins that battle.

[Hon-essim]

Denver's roster is deceptive because even if those guys don't play much, team energy wasn't that high until those guys came.

It's not a coach issue. It's a locker room issue. Denver always had guys like Nene but none of them are performing at such a motivated level until the trade.

It's similar to a Scott Skiles team. The coach is a big part of the team success but without the new bound energy brought in by the new guys the players just aren't as passionate with helping each other out.

With Denver this is especially true since they had rejuvenated success with Chauncey but the players never played like they had each other's back as much as they are now. The setbacks with the injuries only help to highlight that. Every player on that team plays like they have a chip on their shoulders but at the same time only a few of them play like they need to shoot to help their team out and the ones who do like Gallo were doing great until the injury. Especially on the things that they weren't supposed to be great at like Gallo evolving into a smart slasher.

[Sharcm1]

One thing teams have to consider if they are going to trade for howard and try to change his mind to stay is, if they trade for howard the type of package the magic want what is going to be left on the team for howard to play with.

they will have to trade almost all their young talented players and draft picks. so why would howard stay if he is traded to a team that just got stripped of talent.

Melo was different the knicks still had amare and a few role players. and look at them last season and this season. They didn't do so well because they stripped their team to get melo. The knicks would still be out of the play-offs this season if it weren't for a great burst from lin.

so what team is going to convince howard to stay with them after renting him for half the team.

[Hon-essim]

See that's what I interpreted when the news said Melo-style.

Orlando doesn't want to be different. Orlando FO appears to be saying they want a Melo trade that's the same not different.

It's the posters here that are interpreting it to be different.

If you want to stretch the speculation, they are also saying they'd rather teams be solid. Build a new team with assets like what NY did with Amare and then let Dwight sign a guaranteed contract and then trade Dwight after that contract. Don't do the NJ thing that's like the equivalent of legal tampering. Give Dwight a team he can go to that can still compete like NY where regardless of anyone's opinion, Melo was more of the man and had more pressure on him while also setting up a near complete team package so that Orlando doesn't need to send up most of their bad contracts along with Dwight and both teams can go back to rebuilding/recompeting and all parties get what they want.

[tiderulz]

Orlando isnt going to trade Dwight.

[tranjSAIC]

I'm starting to believe Orlando isn't going to trade Dwight, and as a Magic fan that is fine with me. I rather let the guy walk then take the crap packages that are being offered.

While some of these trades might make some sense talent wise, my thinking is if we take a chance on Dwight resigning then we have a 100% chance of being good for the playoffs, then we have a 50% chance of keeping the guy after that. If we trade him, then we have a 0% chance of being good for the next few years. Plus if Dwight leaves for nothing then the Magic are going to definitely suck balls since the team was built around him, but if we trade him then we will most likely get some talented players back that would help us win, BUT won't help us win enough.

I don't know about most fan's but I prefer a complete rebuild then to be stuck being a decent team every year.

[AhaAha]

One thing teams have to consider if they are going to trade for howard and try to change his mind to stay is, if they trade for howard the type of package the magic want what is going to be left on the team for howard to play with.

they will have to trade almost all their young talented players and draft picks. so why would howard stay if he is traded to a team that just got stripped of talent.

Melo was different the knicks still had amare and a few role players. and look at them last season and this season. They didn't do so well because they stripped their team to get melo. The knicks would still be out of the play-offs this season if it weren't for a great burst from lin.

so what team is going to convince howard to stay with them after renting him for half the team.

Houston could give up a lot and still stay competitive + have the capspace to sign FA's next season.

[supplyndemand69]

Don't see any teams willing to do that

[Jordan45822]

Don't see any teams willing to do that

it already been reported that Golden State and Houston would do whatever it takes to get Dwight even if he leaves.

[6_Rings]

Why dont they just get Carmelo instead. Superstar for superstar. Amare is on the decline so Dwight still the boss.

[H-town]

Why dont they just get Carmelo instead. Superstar for superstar. Amare is on the decline so Dwight still the boss.

[Jan_Sobieski]

Nikola Pekovic, Derrick Williams, Michael Beasley, Anthony Magic Randolph, Darko Milicic, Brad Miller, Memphis 1st, Utah 1st for Dwight and Hedo.

ORL agrees

[Mamba Venom]

I think the Magic are fools if they don't trade D12 instead of letting him walk for nothing.

The Magic are playing Russian Roulette with their franchise and fan base. D12 has not said he is going to come back. W/ the new CBA, D12 won't do a sign and trade. So the Magic will get less for D12 than the Cavs did for LeBron.

Cleveland got lucky when they traded Mo for BDiddy and Kyrie Irving. Cleveland quick rebuild was because of Mo not LeBron. What happens if the Magic don't get lucky? Jameer is not going to get the #1 overall pick. How many years will the Magic be in the basement w/ Turk's contract?

The Magic have an easy way out. If nothing else, trade D12 for 2 1st round picks and a few solid players and then trade the solid players for more picks to a team under the cap via a trade simular to the Lamar Odom trade.

[Hon-essim]

Hard to justify Cleveland getting lucky. That team went from a perfect rebuilding place with Lebron to a John Wall Washington Wizards type of place with Irving.

Every one of their last competitive piece were wasted. Not even Jamison returned to form.

That's the same risk Orlando has only worse. Cleveland was built on Lebron. Orlando isn't built on Dwight.

There was no benefit to keeping Mo. He didn't get along with the coach and he didn't improve the players and Cleveland had Gibson as most promising young player if they stuck with the roster.

Orlando has an issue with how their GMs handle contracts. That's not going to disappear with or without Dwight. On the other hand, Orlando has a question mark in a young player named Ryan Anderson. A question that Cleveland didn't have to worry about.

There's no easy way out for Orlando. If nothing else, the wrong move helps create the very team that kills any championship hopes they have even if they go back to being playoff contenders.

[Dan Z]

Nikola Pekovic, Derrick Williams, Michael Beasley, Anthony Magic Randolph, Darko Milicic, Brad Miller, Memphis 1st, Utah 1st for Dwight and Hedo.

A shame Dwight wouldn't agree to that or resign. Would be good for Orlando and good for Minnesota.

A duo of Love, Dwight and Rubio!

[nugzin2040]

Have to remember the Nuggets were also sending Billups. Even still that trade was ridiculous. The Melo trade will end the thinking that the team that got the best player will win the trade.

I really don't understand how people can say that Denver has come anywhere NEAR winning the trade vs the knicks. The Knicks traded Gallinari, Felton, Mozgov, and Wilson Chandler for Anthony, Billups, Sheldon Williams, Anthony Carter and Renaldo Balkman. Gallinari is a solid role player at best, Raymond felton is scrubbing it up in Portland, Mozgov is well mozgov nothing more than a borderline NBA player, and wilson chandler is no longer in the league (hes in china). The knicks did not trade one player of any value to acquire Carmelo Anthony besides maybe Gallinari, but he is still not that good at all. The Nuggets were a team that was put together very well to begin with. The only reason people think they won the trade is because most of the world thought they would collapse after they traded away anthony. But lets face it. Anthony was not their entire team and they got subpar pieces in return that have allowed them to stay somewhat relevant.

It's not just what they got from the Knicks, but what they turned it into. Gallinari was the key piece in the deal, and has been a more efficient player then Melo post-trade. Not bad for a supposed 'role player at best.' Denver turned Felton into Jordan Hamilton, another young piece to add to the core. Mozgov is at least a decent rotational player, and helps for depth.. and of course Denver controls Chandler's rights as well. They likely get something for him in a sign and trade at the least. Also have two first round picks, they could get from New York. Who is to say what team the Knicks really will have four seasons from now? Could be good, but could be terrible as well. Could be two late first rounders, or two top five picks New York is giving Denver.

The biggest reason Denver at this time, won the trade would be that Denver has improved without Melo. To be fair, New York has also looked and played better when Melo has been out as well. This doesn't happen when a superstar is traded... well, ever. Even the Suns got worse last season when they lost Amare.

[mcfly1204]

Dwight and Turk for Carmelo and Chandler. Get it done.

[nugzin2040]

Going to be hard for the Magic to get the kinda haul Denver got for Melo and Billups. Mainly because Dwight is not going to extend his deal most places, so that lowers his value. I hope they can get a good deal if they have to trade him tho.

[allweneedisLOVE]

Dwight and Love! I want it so bad.


DAMN YOU DWIGHT!!!!!