Official Trade Thread XVIII: 1/20/12 - 5/14/12

[closg00]

Terrible idea, Rico. Mcgee and Anderson have relatively equal value as both are RFAs who are about to be paid $10M+ a year. Why make that swap and then absorb Biedrins in the process?

I like the Gasol trade assuming we don't include Wall, Booker, or the lotto pick.

The most plausible trade rumor so far is the Okafor one. If New Orleans is willing to give up a pick just to dump him, surely they'd consider a Blatche + Turiaf fot Okafor trade whereby they keep their pick.

I can't believe we can't work out a Young for McBob trade with the Lakers. The Lakers save long term cap while dumping a redundant big and adding a legitimate backcourt scorer.

We should have made an offer for McBob straight-up when he was an FA. The Lakers got him for nothing

[Dat2U]

I guess I'll never quite understand the hard on for Okafor.

On the otherhand, if Gasol can be had for anything outside of Wall and our pick, I'd be all for it.

[BanndNDC]

So according to Ken Berg the Blazers and Clippers are discussing a deal that would send Gomes and Bledsoe to Portland for Jamal Crawford. Are you serious? Ernie couldn't swing that and add a 2nd round pick?

Chauncy, Cook + 1st for Young + Dal 2nd. release chauncy immediately and let him rehab wherever and however he wants. they get their shooting guard and we get something for nothing (young).

dont make dumping blatche waste opportunities for value. we can live with 2 years of backup center blatche if need be.

[Dat2U]

Terrible idea, Rico. Mcgee and Anderson have relatively equal value as both are RFAs who are about to be paid $10M+ a year. Why make that swap and then absorb Biedrins in the process?

I like the Gasol trade assuming we don't include Wall, Booker, or the lotto pick.

The most plausible trade rumor so far is the Okafor one. If New Orleans is willing to give up a pick just to dump him, surely they'd consider a Blatche + Turiaf fot Okafor trade whereby they keep their pick.

I can't believe we can't work out a Young for McBob trade with the Lakers. The Lakers save long term cap while dumping a redundant big and adding a legitimate backcourt scorer.

We should have made an offer for McBob straight-up when he was an FA. The Lakers got him for nothing

Why? McRoberts has been garbage this year. Last thing we need to do is throw away cap room on bench scrubs.

[fishercob]

Here's a massive 3-teamer with the Wiz, Hornets and Lakers:

Wiz trade: Lewis, McGee, Turiaf
Wiz get: Gasol, Okafor

Wiz get some real teammates for Wall, with only 2 years each left on their deal. Target Beal in the draft and some cheap FA shooters, and we start to look like a team (amnesty Dray as well -- we'll sell enough tickets to pay for it). If we amnesty Dray this would actually be about cap neutral and we'd still be $12M under the cap.

NOH trades: Okafor, Landry, Jack, Ariza
NOH gets: McGee, Lewis, Turiaf

NOH lands a high upside center and gets out of all its expensive long term obligations.

LA trades: Gasol
LA gets: Landry, Ariza, Jack.

LA upgrades PG (at a bargain price) and SF, while getting back a competent PF.

[LyricalRico]

Wow, that's outright thievery for the Wiz! NOH does it, and might even still give up the MIN pick since they dump all their longterm deals at once. Seems like the Lakers need more, though. My tweak:

Wiz trade: Lewis, McGee, Turiaf, Young
Wiz receive: Okafor, Gasol, Blake, Metta

Hornets trade: Okafor, Ariza, Landry, Jack, MIN first
Hornets receive: Lewis, McGee

Lakers trade: Gasol, Metta, Blake
Lakers receive: Landry, Ariza, Jack, Young, Turiaf, MIN first

That makes it more even IMO and we still keep all the incoming deals to the 2 year time frame.

[fishercob]

Not taking MWP. Happy to send Young to the Lakers for Blake and Mack to NOH if it gets the deal done.

[eureca20]

There is nothing the Lakers would want from the Wizards for Pau outside of Wall. And Wizards rightfully would never even consider that. Sounds like Aldridge just threw out a random scenario to fill space in his column. There's really nothing for Lakers and Wizards to talk about.

[nate33]

Here's a massive 3-teamer with the Wiz, Hornets and Lakers:

Wiz trade: Lewis, McGee, Turiaf
Wiz get: Gasol, Okafor

Wiz get some real teammates for Wall, with only 2 years each left on their deal. Target Beal in the draft and some cheap FA shooters, and we start to look like a team (amnesty Dray as well -- we'll sell enough tickets to pay for it). If we amnesty Dray this would actually be about cap neutral and we'd still be $12M under the cap.

NOH trades: Okafor, Landry, Jack, Ariza
NOH gets: McGee, Lewis, Turiaf

NOH lands a high upside center and gets out of all its expensive long term obligations.

LA trades: Gasol
LA gets: Landry, Ariza, Jack.

LA upgrades PG (at a bargain price) and SF, while getting back a competent PF.

It's overkill. I'm happy to add one overpaid frontcourt player because we are in dire need of basketball IQ and leadership on the front line and we cant attract free agents with our cap room anyway. But i don't see the value in adding a second vet big. I'd rather use our resources to add some better swing men.

[fishercob]

I hear ya. The issue is that we have a couple ways of providing value in a trade -- McGee, and providing someone salary relief. The Lakers don't want McGee and want much more than salary relief for Pau.

We'd still have our picks and $10M in cap room (if we amnesty Dray) to address SG and SF. One of Barnes/Beal/Lamb and a couple of cheap shooters would do the trick.

With Gasol, Okafor and Booker as our top 3 bigs (any 2 of whom can play together) we'd be able to trade Seraphin or Vesely for help on the wing as well. Slate would still be quite clean for summer of '14.

[Ruzious]

I'm kinda lost here on the Gasol trade stuff. What is supposedly LAL's motivation for considering a Pau trade? I understood it when they were looking at trading for Paul and Howard. Why else would they entertain trading him?

[hands11]

The Magic, Warriors and Hornets are in discussions on a three-team trade, two league sources confirmed.

Monta Ellis, Andris Biedrins and Dorell Wright would be sent by the Warriors to the Magic.

Ryan Anderson, J.J. Redick, Hedo Turkoglu and Quentin Richardson would be the main outgoing pieces from Orlando.

The Hornets' exact involvement is unclear, but believed to be centered around Chris Kaman.

Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/21 ... z1ovqGlD34

Can we get in on this?

Wizards trade: McGee, Blatche, Young, and Turiaf
Wizards receive: Biedrins, Anderson, and JRich

Warriors trade: Biedrins, Ellis, and Wright
Warriors receive: McGee, Turkgolu, Redick, and QRich

Magic trade: Anderson, JRich, Turkgolu, Redick, and QRich
Magic receive: Ellis, Wright, Blatche, Young, and Turiaf

Orlando shuffles to try to make one last run with Howard...

Howard/Turiaf
Blatche/Davis
Wright/Clark
Ellis/Young
Nelson/Duhon

...GSW thinks McGee is their solution in the middle and makes room for Thompson...

McGee/Kwame
Lee/Udoh
Turkgolu/QRich
Thompson/Redick
Curry/Robinson

...and the Wiz swap knuckleheads for vets who will produce immediately.

Biedrins/Seraphin
Anderson/Booker
Singleton/Vesely
JRich/Crawford
Wall/Mack

In the offseason I would 1) lock up Anderson, 2) try to swap Vesely+Crawford for an SF who can shoot, and 3) draft one of the Lamb's to be the SG of the future.

You would never be able to get Nick and Dray off the kiddy rides out there.

[hands11]

Here's a massive 3-teamer with the Wiz, Hornets and Lakers:

Wiz trade: Lewis, McGee, Turiaf
Wiz get: Gasol, Okafor

Wiz get some real teammates for Wall, with only 2 years each left on their deal. Target Beal in the draft and some cheap FA shooters, and we start to look like a team (amnesty Dray as well -- we'll sell enough tickets to pay for it). If we amnesty Dray this would actually be about cap neutral and we'd still be $12M under the cap.

NOH trades: Okafor, Landry, Jack, Ariza
NOH gets: McGee, Lewis, Turiaf

NOH lands a high upside center and gets out of all its expensive long term obligations.

LA trades: Gasol
LA gets: Landry, Ariza, Jack.

LA upgrades PG (at a bargain price) and SF, while getting back a competent PF.

It's overkill. I'm happy to add one overpaid frontcourt player because we are in dire need of basketball IQ and leadership on the front line and we cant attract free agents with our cap room anyway. But i don't see the value in adding a second vet big. I'd rather use our resources to add some better swing men.

No way I am buying that. Money talks. You clear out Nick and Dray and have massive cap space to go alone with pick, Wall, Booker, etc. They will come. You get one other good piece and it just looks sweeter for the next person.

I say the worst thing to do is deal for some player they dont really want as a first choice. Clear the cap space and wait for free agency. I still like my trade for Ray Allan best. That leaves all option open and tones of cap space.

[nate33]

Hands, your Ray Allen idea is awful. First of all, we can't give away Blatche right now. Do you really think Boston would accept the downgrade from Allen to Young while also taking on Blatche? It makes no sense at all. Secondly, even if they did, all it would do is hurt our tank. We'd get better for 20 games and then watch Ray Allen walk.

It's amazing. You put together a wildly lopsided deal in our favor and it's still a bad idea.

[dangermouse]

........I kind of like that trade on the previous page where we get Okafor and Pau. Those two + a lottery pick (we would slip a few spots but deffo still be in the lottery. maybe Okafor's knee stays mysteriously sore and Pau suddenly needs surgery on a finger or something, you know, wink wink) would be pretty damn good next year.

I think the reason it seems good though is we go from being a bottom-feeder to being a possible 6-8th playoff seed team overnight.

Also, I dont think LA does it. Although they make key upgrades at SF and PG and add some PF depth... I think they would want more for Pau so its really a non-starter.

[montestewart]

Hands, your Ray Allen idea is awful. First of all, we can't give away Blatche right now. Do you really think Boston would accept the downgrade from Allen to Young while also taking on Blatche? It makes no sense at all. Secondly, even if they did, all it would do is hurt our tank. We'd get better for 20 games and then watch Ray Allen walk.

It's amazing. You put together a wildly lopsided deal in our favor and it's still is a bad idea.

I fairness to Hands, I upped the ante by suggesting we get a pick out of it as well.

[hands11]

Hands, your Ray Allen idea is awful. First of all, we can't give away Blatche right now. Do you really think Boston would accept the downgrade from Allen to Young while also taking on Blatche? It makes no sense at all. Secondly, even if they did, all it would do is hurt our tank. We'd get better for 20 games and then watch Ray Allen walk.

It's amazing. You put together a wildly lopsided deal in our favor and it's still is a bad idea.

oh. ok. What was I thinking. I didnt get God to sign off on my idea first.

Look, just because you don't like it doesn't mean anything. Specially if your going to chime in the way you just did with your over reacting drama. Trades happen all the time that dont make sense to everyone.

[verbal8]

According to wiretap the Clippers have interest in Jamal Crawford, sending our Gomes and Bledsoe. Wouldn't Nick Young be a better option and fit for them? It seems to me that Jamal Crawford and Mo Williams is a bit of duplication, where Young would complement the current personnel more.

The Wizards could take back the same package. I am not thrilled about Gomes, but figure he is a throw-in and a possibly competent SF. If the Clippers sent Foye rather than Gomes, I think it could be great for the Wizards.

[Rafael122]

According to wiretap the Clippers have interest in Jamal Crawford, sending our Gomes and Bledsoe. Wouldn't Nick Young be a better option and fit for them? It seems to me that Jamal Crawford and Mo Williams is a bit of duplication, where Young would complement the current personnel more.

The Wizards could take back the same package. I am not thrilled about Gomes, but figure he is a throw-in and a possibly competent SF. If the Clippers sent Foye rather than Gomes, I think it could be great for the Wizards.

I proposed the same trade. Gomes' contract expires next year and he'd be a decent throw in any trade. But maybe they want Crawford's playoff experience, I don't know. At the rate the Clips are going, they may not even make the payoffs, lost 4 out of their last 5.

[LyricalRico]

^ Wasn't last year Crawford's first in the playoffs? It's not like he's done anything, and verbal is right that Young gives them somebody that can be more of a spot-up shooter (assuming he accepts the role).

My guess is that it's about PG skills. Crawford isn't a true PG, but he's definitely one of the better ball handling 2's. He will essentially be what Chauncey was - a veteran ball handler with the size to play the 2 who can also hit 3's and can either play with CP3 or when he's resting.