Official Trade Thread XVIII: 1/20/12 - 5/14/12

[miller31time]

Are we even talking about trading a 1st round pick for Melo? Good grief! I wouldn't touch that with a 10 foot pole.

This is about as low as Melo's trade value may ever get and it's STILL not low enough for New York (or any sane team) to be willing to unload him for cap relief.

Being realistic, you have to give up something to potentially get a diamond in the rough. Anthony is underperforming in a bad system in New York right now but would most likely be back to his old ways in a new setting. That, in my opinion, is well-worth us trading (in all likelihood) Harrison Barnes.

Give it time.

That team is put together so poorly that something has to give. If NY doesn't unload Melo soon, they're going to run out of potential suitors as the higher luxtax penalties kick in. The more Melo whines about his role there, the lower his trade value will go.

There is little chance that Melo is moved at the Trade Deadline, but things could get real interesting if he demands a trade in the summer. This summer, Rashard Lewis' contract will suddenly become a valuable trading chip. It'll be worth $21M as filler, but the team who receives him can cut him for $10M or so.

All that said, I'm not all that interested in Melo. This team already has a hero ball epidemic. We don't need another infected player.

Crawford, Young and Blatche are the three biggest hero-ballers. Young will be gone, Crawford will only come in as a 6th or 7th man and Blatche would hopefully be amnestied.

And yeah, it would be really nice to hang onto the pick AND get Melo.

*Sign Eric Gordon
*Get 3rd-5th pick, Thomas Robinson

Wall/Mack
Gordon/Crawford
Anthony/Singleton
Robinson/Booker
McGee/Seraphin

Oh my.

[Ruzious]

Wait a sec - you want to get Anthony and Gordon in order to stop hero-ball?

I don't want both of them. Anthony is making many times more than the President of the US, and Gordon is going to get a huge paycheck. What happens when you have to pay Wall?

[nate33]

I don't think we could afford Gordon after acquiring Melo, certainly not while also retaining McGee. The cap numbers work out right now, but things would get real ugly when Wall is up for a new contract and the high luxtax penalties kick in. I think we'd have to aim lower with our SG acquisition. Somebody like Rudy Fernandez, O.J. Mayo, Jodie Meeks or Danny Green seems more prudent - particularly with Wall and Melo dominating the ball.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I would roll the dice on Rashard Lewis, Jordan Crawford, and the 2012 first to NYK for Carmelo Anthony and Toney Douglas; provided the pick is #1 overall protected.

Let them buy out Lewis. Get Chuck Crawford away from John Wall.

I'm not a Carmelo Anthony fan. He doesn't play defense and the ball stops at him. However, he is a guy who excels in transition and he can flat out score. This team is hurting at SF. Carmelo can put a lot of pressure on opponents. I think Anthony qualifies as a superstar. Wall has never played with one before.

Just taking a chance on the Knicks making an emotional decision, the Wizards could try that offer. NY fans are sick of Carmelo Anthony and the Knicks might do it just to get rid of him. Crawford's stats are pretty inflated and I bet the perception is he is a better player than what he is in reality.

[Ruzious]

CCJ, I don't disagree with you, but if NY continues to flounder with Melo (sounds like something at a nice seafood restaurant?), I'd expect we could get Melo without giving up a pick - because of his contract.

[sashae]

I'd love to get Melo for nothing, but I'd also suggest that Harrison f'n Barnes vs Melo is something ridiculous to even argue about. The odds of our lucking out and getting Davis is slim. Why not go for it?

[Ruzious]

I'd love to get Melo for nothing, but I'd also suggest that Harrison f'n Barnes vs Melo is something ridiculous to even argue about. The odds of our lucking out and getting Davis is slim. Why not go for it?

Problem is - Melo's contract is also ridiculous.

[truwizfan4evr]

I would roll the dice on Carmelo and Tony Douglas for Rashard Lewis, Jordan Crawford, and the 2012 first; provided the pick is #1 overall protected.

Let them buy out Lewis. Get Chuck Crawford away from John Wall.

I'm not a Carmelo Anthony fan. He doesn't play defense and the ball stops at him. However, he is a guy who excels in transition and he can flat out score. This team is hurting at SF. Carmelo can put a lot of pressure on opponents. I think Anthony qualifies as a superstar. Wall has never played with one before.

Just taking a chance on the Knicks making an emotional decision, the Wizards could try that offer. NY fans are sick of Carmelo Anthony and the Knicks might do it just to get rid of him. Crawford's stats are pretty inflated and I bet the perception is he is a better player than what he is in reality.

There no way I would trade the first round pick. Say we happen to win lottery and we traded are pick away to bring in a scoring forward who has never won anything or plays any Defense. I would certain pass on that deal. Unless we got Melo not involving the first round pick or Trevor Booker. I much more have Thomas Robinson or Anthony Davis. Assuming if we did win the lottery.

[tontoz]

I'd love to get Melo for nothing, but I'd also suggest that Harrison f'n Barnes vs Melo is something ridiculous to even argue about. The odds of our lucking out and getting Davis is slim. Why not go for it?

Tell that to the Clippers. They traded away their unprotected first to Cleveland. That pick turned into Irving.

[Rafael122]

I'd love to get Melo for nothing, but I'd also suggest that Harrison f'n Barnes vs Melo is something ridiculous to even argue about. The odds of our lucking out and getting Davis is slim. Why not go for it?

Odds? We have the 2nd worse record in the league. At the pace we're going, we can't finish no lower than 3rd.

[nuposse04]

I would rather have cap room for making a run at good two way players plus a chance to land a premier post presence in the draft rather than splurging it on temporary success in Melo. Pass.

[jivelikenice]

id rather trade our 1st for Harden than Melo

Agreed.

I wouldn't trade the #1 overall pick for Harden. he's a very good #3 option but not a franchise type player.

[jivelikenice]

I would rather have cap room for making a run at good two way players plus a chance to land a premier post presence in the draft rather than splurging it on temporary success in Melo. Pass.

The problem with that approach is what two good players would come here given the fact that we haven't progressed as a team? This is not a desireable destimation and the reality is we'll only get fas by overpaying or seeking out local products like a Jeff Green type that may decide to come home & play.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I would roll the dice on Carmelo and Tony Douglas for Rashard Lewis, Jordan Crawford, and the 2012 first; provided the pick is #1 overall protected.

Let them buy out Lewis. Get Chuck Crawford away from John Wall.

I'm not a Carmelo Anthony fan. He doesn't play defense and the ball stops at him. However, he is a guy who excels in transition and he can flat out score. This team is hurting at SF. Carmelo can put a lot of pressure on opponents. I think Anthony qualifies as a superstar. Wall has never played with one before.

Just taking a chance on the Knicks making an emotional decision, the Wizards could try that offer. NY fans are sick of Carmelo Anthony and the Knicks might do it just to get rid of him. Crawford's stats are pretty inflated and I bet the perception is he is a better player than what he is in reality.

There no way I would trade the first round pick. Say we happen to win lottery and we traded are pick away to bring in a scoring forward who has never won anything or plays any Defense. I would certain pass on that deal. Unless we got Melo not involving the first round pick or Trevor Booker. I much more have Thomas Robinson or Anthony Davis. Assuming if we did win the lottery.

(I would protect against trading away the overall #1 pick and said so in my post)

Carmelo never won anything, truwizfan4evr? Gotcha!

Consider the following:

1. Syracuse won the National Championship in 2003 with Melo as the Final 4 MVP.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... oca01.html

2. Take a look at Playoffs Stats in the link above. Melo has been to the playoffs every single season he's been in the NBA.

Anthony is 27 years old. He was in the NBA playoffs at ages 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25 and 26.

If you say he has won beyond round one only once, that is true. What does that indicate? Melo's playoffs reminds me of KG's playoff record before Boston.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... eke01.html

It took a solid supporting cast around KG for him to advance in the playoffs.

Likewise, Anthony has been a one man team all his NBA career. The only time Carmelo made it beyond the first round was when he almost made it to the NBA Finals with Billups as a teammate. They lost 2-4 to the eventual 2008-2009 NBA Champion Lakers.

Carmelo Anthony in the playoffs: 24.7 Points, 7.3 rebounds, 3.1 assists on (only) .419 FG% and .821 FT through 49 career playoff games.

Wall is improving and would be greatly helped by Carmelo Anthony's scoring IMO. The Wizards have a lot of players who get up and down the court in transition. A player like Anthony, along with Wall and Booker; and an upgrade at SG can make the Wizards a playoff team. (Ray Allen is a FA BTW.)

I would make that deal in a heartbeat. Anthony is shooting .400 right now--by far his worst. He's clearly not good next to Amare Stoudemire. Now would be the time to buy him with the Knicks regarding him low. Anthony is at the peak of his career. With Booker and even Seraphin in the frontcourt, their defense and athleticism, with scoring ability, would make the Wizards much better. The one thing Anthony does is score in the paint. That is what this team needs, probably the most, to keep guards from chucking.

[FAH1223]

i wouldn't include this years pick. next year's unprotected, sure... maybe add another too... but we need to keep our lotto picks

[sashae]

I'd love to get Melo for nothing, but I'd also suggest that Harrison f'n Barnes vs Melo is something ridiculous to even argue about. The odds of our lucking out and getting Davis is slim. Why not go for it?

Odds? We have the 2nd worse record in the league. At the pace we're going, we can't finish no lower than 3rd.

There's a lot of good prospects in this draft, but I can just feel Harrison Barnes ending up on the team, who I /totally/ don't buy as a good prospect. If he ends up being Luol Deng with worse rebounding we'd be lucky.

[Rafael122]

I'd love to get Melo for nothing, but I'd also suggest that Harrison f'n Barnes vs Melo is something ridiculous to even argue about. The odds of our lucking out and getting Davis is slim. Why not go for it?

Odds? We have the 2nd worse record in the league. At the pace we're going, we can't finish no lower than 3rd.

There's a lot of good prospects in this draft, but I can just feel Harrison Barnes ending up on the team, who I /totally/ don't buy as a good prospect. If he ends up being Luol Deng with worse rebounding we'd be lucky.

We will see. I can't remember the last team with the worse record who ended up winning the lottery. I think it was Cleveland in '03, can't remember. Lottery is only there to determine the first 3 picks, picks 4-14 are the order by record. Correct me if I'm wrong?

[truwizfan4evr]

I'd love to get Melo for nothing, but I'd also suggest that Harrison f'n Barnes vs Melo is something ridiculous to even argue about. The odds of our lucking out and getting Davis is slim. Why not go for it?

Odds? We have the 2nd worse record in the league. At the pace we're going, we can't finish no lower than 3rd.

There's a lot of good prospects in this draft, but I can just feel Harrison Barnes ending up on the team, who I /totally/ don't buy as a good prospect. If he ends up being Luol Deng with worse rebounding we'd be lucky.[/quote Ernie has almost become predictable in what he chooses in past the draft. I have a gut feeling also we will pick Harrison Barnes. if we got the second overall pick, knowing Ernie that's who he would pick over a Thomas Robinson or Andre Drummon if he decides to enter the draft this year. If we did get a top 3 pick. There's no way we should take Harrison Barnes that early. But when Ernie in charge of this organization that seems highly likely to happen.

[miller31time]

I don't think we could afford Gordon after acquiring Melo, certainly not while also retaining McGee. The cap numbers work out right now, but things would get real ugly when Wall is up for a new contract and the high luxtax penalties kick in. I think we'd have to aim lower with our SG acquisition. Somebody like Rudy Fernandez, O.J. Mayo, Jodie Meeks or Danny Green seems more prudent - particularly with Wall and Melo dominating the ball.

True. But the point remains that if we acquired Anthony, the rebuild could come a lot quicker than anyone imagined -- something that would be good for the long-term commitment of John Wall who, currently, would leave this team in a heartbeat if he didn't have that rookie contract.

[miller31time]

I would rather have cap room for making a run at good two way players plus a chance to land a premier post presence in the draft rather than splurging it on temporary success in Melo. Pass.

Cap room is meaningless if players don't want to sign here. Odds are that we'd have to throw more money than anyone just to get a mediocre player that's not even in the same stratosphere as Anthony.