Nick Young traded to Clippers/McGee to Denver/Nene to DC

[FAH1223]

This trade is eerily similar to the Mitch Richmond trade. I'm not happy about this.

McGee isn't an all star, Webber was.

[nate33]

The detractors say Young is a gunner that doesn't pass or rebound. He's not somebody you build a team around, but in the right situation he can be very effective.

That's some pretty mild detracting. I know he's not as hated as Dray (who at this point I hope gets it together merely to spite the booers and the armchair GMs) or Javale, but I've seen plenty of people demand that Nick be cut, that he's a clown, a cancer, etc. I guess people's instincts are to blame all of an organization's problems on whomever's been around the longest.

That's mostly just hands11.

My view on Young is that I didn't think he would stick around next year so there was absolutely no reason not to shop him. By trading him, we landed a 2nd round pick and we helped the tank.

[Spence]

This trade is eerily similar to the Mitch Richmond trade. I'm not happy about this.

Because Javale McGee and Chris Webber are both hominids? About the only similarity I can see.

[keynote]

Sacramento wouldn't make the deal of Nene for Cousins. That should tell you something.

It doesn't tell us much, actually. Cousins is locked in on his rookie deal for a nice li'l while, whereas McGee and his moms ostensibly have one foot out the door.

We can question whether Nene is the right long-term investment for the team or not, but the fact that Nene couldn't net Cousins in a trade sheds zero light on his value vis a vis McGee.

[Bickerstaff]

Like I implied before, this all boils down to what the Wizards could reasonably expect to acquire utilizing cap room. Effectively, we acquired Nene at $13M a year (and a 2nd round pick). I tend to side with Rico in that the Wizards can't expect to get good by tanking year after year after year. At some point, they need to utilize their cap room and acquire a few veteran players to serve as a stable backbone to the roster. I think Nene qualifies. $13M is a bit steep, but he's a solid two-way center. How many two way centers are there in this league?

I haven't run the numbers, but if memory serves, we should still have about $18M in cap room assuming we amnesty Lewis. If we amnesty Blatche, we'll have $12M in cap room this summer with Rashard's $13M cap number coming off the books the following summer. All we really need to do is sign a free agent shooter and draft a star caliber player and we should be a decent team next year. Next summer, we should still have enough cap room for a max player.

The point is, although Nene is expensive, I don't see his contract hindering our rebuild anytime soon. Either way, we have plenty of cap room to work with this summer and next summer, and after that, we won't have much cap room anyway because Wall will be maxed out.

I agree, and I think it's impossible to never overspend. The problem is a few years down the road, when he could very well be worth pennies on the dollar, especially if what we're seeing is the beginning of his decline.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

wow, Nene got a 5 year $67 million extension? I was thinking it was about $10 million less than that

In the history of bad moves by the Bullets/Wizards, this is the part that folks never think about on the day the bad deal goes down.

When Arenas and Jamison were re-signed, I kept thinking about $167M for guys who don't defend and one who's chronically injured.

People are saying paying a soon-30yr old, $13M plus is not a bad move. Oh, heck yes, it is! What they could have done is remember the real goal was to get rid of Blatche. Lewis is the other albatross contract. What they did was trade a veteran who's known to miss games and lack intensity at times to a terrible, terrible, terrible team. Whatever fire the guy has won't be to play for this miserable team. The Wizards just signed off on $67M with no hope of a buy out because they didn't like McGee any more.

Well, what about saving the money and bidding on players like Hibbert, Asik, Anderson, Ilyasova? They are 24-25 and will cost less than Nene. What about waiting for a new, decent head coach? What about drafting somebody who is actually a good SG and keeping McGee for one year?

This move was done right at the deadline and was a godsend for the Nuggets. I would bet Javale McGee can score higher on a test than Ernie Grunfeld.

[7-Day Dray]

This trade is eerily similar to the Mitch Richmond trade. I'm not happy about this.

Because Javale McGee and Chris Webber are both hominids? About the only similarity I can see.

Not saying that McGee is on Webber's level, but this is a typical EG/Unseld move. Trading a young guy for a veteran who's on a big contract. And I just have a scary feeling that we'll be trying to dump Nene in the final years of his contract.

[queridiculo]

This trade is eerily similar to the Mitch Richmond trade. I'm not happy about this.

What an absurd comparison. I cannot believe that somebody would even dare to bring this up.

It's not close, it's not even in the same ballpark.

Webber was named an All-Star the year the Bullets made the playoffs, and had it not been for injuries prior to that, would have been one much sooner. Back to back national championship appearances in college, drafted no. 1 overall, rookie of the year, the list of his accomplishment is longer than McGee's blooper reel.

Webber for Mitch Richmond and the rotting corpse of Othis Thorpe ranks as one of the all time worst trades in NBA history.

We're talking about McGee for Nene, seriously...

[lukekarts]

Not a Wizards or a Nuggets fan.

Surprised at the polarised opinion here. Nene is a very good player, efficient, plays good man defence, only real knock is that he doesn't rebound enough, but ultimately he's a talented and smart player.

Also, don't worry about the injury history. No signs of recurring knee issues; one year he missed was exceptional circumstance (Cancer!); he's been relatively healthy since then.

It's primarily heartbreak over McGee. Many were still drinking the kool-aid and were convinced he was a star in the making. I'm not of them, therefore I see what you see - the addition of a good player that will help this team.

I think there are also some who are concerned about the contract, and I'll admit that it's not ideal. But considering the position the Wizards are in, they were going to have to overpay no matter who they acquired. To have expected otherwise is just wishful thinking IMO.

That's a fair point of course. Yeah Nene's contract isn't perfect; but to be fair it is pretty much the going rate for Centers. In any case, it's not 'toxic'; people will certainly be willing to trade for Nene at least for two more years. He's 29 at the end of year 1, meaning he'll be 33 at the end of year 5; that's not too old, especially considering his game doesn't rely on athleticism to a great extent, and he's not had a huge amount of mileage on his body.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

This trade is eerily similar to the Mitch Richmond trade. I'm not happy about this.

Because Javale McGee and Chris Webber are both hominids? About the only similarity I can see.

Not saying that McGee is on Webber's level, but this is a typical EG/Unseld move. Trading a young guy for a veteran who's on a big contract. And I just have a scary feeling that we'll be trying to dump Nene in the final years of his contract.

I give it 18 months before the dust settles and the Wizards start to see how clearly they've made a bad decision.

Why in the hell did Ted Leonsis keep Grunfeld? Oh, that's right. Ernie told on Gil and traded him for Lewis. That saved Ted some money, while undoing another one of EG's mistakes.

This one's the worst yet. Young for old, while taking on a max deal. Great.

[Ruzious]

This trade is eerily similar to the Mitch Richmond trade. I'm not happy about this.

Because Javale McGee and Chris Webber are both hominids? About the only similarity I can see.

Hominids? No religious talk in this forum please.

And I can't believe they let just anyone post here. Security! Otis Thorpe? Anyone? Muggsy?

Anyway, it's nice to see an old-time poster back here in these troubled times.

... like sashae.

Oh, and Spence, too, I guess.

[queridiculo]

The detractors say Young is a gunner that doesn't pass or rebound. He's not somebody you build a team around, but in the right situation he can be very effective.

That's some pretty mild detracting. I know he's not as hated as Dray (who at this point I hope gets it together merely to spite the booers and the armchair GMs) or Javale, but I've seen plenty of people demand that Nick be cut, that he's a clown, a cancer, etc. I guess people's instincts are to blame all of an organization's problems on whomever's been around the longest.

There's precisely one person that called him a cancer, that's our own hands11 and plenty of people took issue with that notion.

Cutting him, calling him a clown? Maybe you're reading is more selective than mine, but the sentiment that I've taken away from countless years of following Young with the Wizards are precisely those I mentioned.

Good to great scorer, and not much else.

[Bickerstaff]

The detractors say Young is a gunner that doesn't pass or rebound. He's not somebody you build a team around, but in the right situation he can be very effective.

That's some pretty mild detracting. I know he's not as hated as Dray (who at this point I hope gets it together merely to spite the booers and the armchair GMs) or Javale, but I've seen plenty of people demand that Nick be cut, that he's a clown, a cancer, etc. I guess people's instincts are to blame all of an organization's problems on whomever's been around the longest.

That's mostly just hands11.

My view on Young is that I didn't think he would stick around next year so there was absolutely no reason not to shop him. By trading him, we landed a 2nd round pick and we helped the tank.

I didn't mean just on this site. Sometimes I mess up and read the Wizards Insider comments. I'm pretty sure those people think everyone is a cancer.

Anyway, I agree about Young. I didn't see him staying either. It's a shame, though. I liked both of these guys, but I feel like Nick is underrated. I have a feeling that whatever team signs him is going to end up with a bargain. (Not that trading him for Brian Cook and a 2nd doesn't seem like a bargain in and of itself...)

[Mr Dew]

Contracts dont matter anymore because of the Amnesty. If he's healthy then he's a beast that heads us in the right direction. If he's not healthy then we use the Amnesty and all we lost was 2 guys we dont want anyways. All this means is that Dray will be sticking around which all of you will hate but if he's in shape then him & Nene would be a great duo if we dont get Davis

You can't use the amnesty on players acquired via trade or players signed to a contract after the new CBA went into effect... Nene fails on both counts.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I am ecstatic for Nick Young, who should displace Randy Foye and become the new starting SG in LAL. Knick has gone to heaven playing in his home town and with Chris Paul.

He feasts on Kobe. Don't know why, but he does.

I am happy for Young and McGee.

[Spence]

... like sashae.

Oh, and Spence, too, I guess.

Ouch. Maybe I deserved that, but I hope not.

[Ruzious]

Per Michael Lee, the second rounder coming via the LAC's is the Hornets 2nd rounder - so it should be very high.

[Dat2U]

What were the options? Be still. Sometimes the best move is to not make one. I think this is one the Wiz will regret down the road. By the end of this contract, they're likely to be looking for way to dump it on someone.

More like next year.

This just reeks of a move without a real plan.

I'm not suprised many like it. Most were ready to trade Javale for a ham sandwhich. And many were pining for a washed up Bogut or mediocre Okafor.

Javale was still an up & comer. Everyone making the silly Blatche & Kwame comparison ignores the fact that Javale was actually productive! Javale may have been an idiot, but he was an incredibly talented and productive one.

I'd much rather make the mistake and pay the up & comer. The athletic young guy who's already productive with room to improve rather than a 30 yr old guy in descent with consistent injury concerns.

[queridiculo]

Per Michael Lee, the second rounder coming via the LAC's is the Hornets 2nd rounder - so it should be very high.

This upcoming draft is looking to be pretty deep too, I like it.

[Spence]

Nick Young...
He feasts on Kobe. Don't know why, but he does.

Come playoff time, we'll see who is wiping crumbs off his lips.