Nick Young traded to Clippers/McGee to Denver/Nene to DC

[closg00]

Great, Ernie in-charge of another draft. Barnes is a lock if we don't get that top pick.

[nate33]

McGee an all star in what? You know how many centers he has to pass just to get there?

He won't be an all star, but I saw him take it right at Andrew Bynum, DeAndre Jordan, Tim Duncan and the rest of the Spurs. McGee will have more wins against those guys and I believe he will make his share of highlights.

Yes, and he will also continue to be an embarrassment when defending the pick and roll. And he will continue to goal tend at least one shot a game. And he will continue to slip the screen rather then set a hard pick.

You keep citing McGee's box score stats as evidence that he is a great player but you fail to acknowledge how absolutely terrible he is at the things that don't show in the box score. McGee leads the team in PER but is dead last in on/off differential. He has NOT been a good player this year, no matter what the numbers say.

[closg00]

From a Nuggets fan, I hope this isn't true.

wizard fans are going to be greatly disappointed by nene and i'm not just saying this because he got traded. I was against re-signing nene so the fact that we get a young center with potential is okay for me. Nene is extremely soft and will disappear in big moments, he can't rebound and his defense is lazy. It's bittersweet because i know nene is a good person, i feel bad for him because he has a home in denver and a family. I wish him the best moving forward for him and his family. not gonna miss him as a player but as a person.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

McGee an all star in what? You know how many centers he has to pass just to get there?

He won't be an all star, but I saw him take it right at Andrew Bynum, DeAndre Jordan, Tim Duncan and the rest of the Spurs. McGee will have more wins against those guys and I believe he will make his share of highlights.

Yes, and he will also continue to be an embarrassment when defending the pick and roll. And he will continue to goal tend at least one shot a game. And he will continue to slip the screen rather then set a hard pick.

You keep citing McGee's box score stats as evidence that he is a great player but you fail to acknowledge how absolutely terrible he is at the things that don't show in the box score. McGee leads the team in PER but is dead last in on/off differential. He has NOT been a good player this year, no matter what the numbers say.

nate, I don't deal with +/- or PER or WS/48 any more.

I use Wins Produced with a tool that converts it into Points over Par.

http://www.nerdnumbers.com/splits?team= ... F15%2F2012

I read how they came up with these numbers and I will rely on them instead of WTFs and emotions of McGee detractors. I have always trusted metrics over time more than what I see or what I think I see in a few games. This is why I've known about guys like Faried.

McGee is not a world beater. I thought Seraphin's defense is much better and that he might be the best bet to start at C. My hope against all hope was some coach would come in and say, "Hey, Kevin can play PF on offense and he can defend Cs who are too big and physical for Javale." The two needed to be on the court together.

Now that he is a former Wizard, my concerns about Nene are what fishercob posted. We'll see.

PS--Now that Javale is gone, let's see about the perimeter defense. I do think Mack plays well and Mason will work smartly. They will do better than Nick has done IMO.

[nate33]

One thing worth noting, if the Wizards luck out and land Anthony Davis, then this trade will end up being perfect for our roster. We'd have a great 3-big rotation of Booker, Nene and Davis. Nene can play PF or C and he'd bring experience to help tutor the youngsters. Also, Nene's contract is up just when it's time to resign Davis.

Dream scenario:
Draft Davis
Sign Batum
Trade Vesely for a guy like Klay Thompson:

PG Wall/Mack
SG Thompson/Crawford
SF Batum/Singleton
PF Booker/Nene
C Nene/Davis

That team is perfectly balanced with shooters, defenders, youth and experience. All it would take is time for Wall and Davis to become elite players.

[Induveca]

All of you complaining about mcGee being traded are missing a big issue.

He is an idiot. + / - and all the stats in the world don't mean much when you're 9-32. You're analyzing which portion of a virus is the least harmful.

He literally may be one of the biggest buffoons I've ever seen on the Wizards and that says a lot.

- idiotic salute
- balls getting thrown off his head
- low ball iq
- low iq
- extremely immature
- foolish enough to demand 14M
- extremely inconsistent
- prone to pouting

Good riddance. I want this team to get some reliable players......with Young and McGee gone we're on our way.

If McGee blows up in Denver...so be it. It wasn't happening here practicing against Blatche/Seraphin/Booker.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

It's not about McGee.

It's all about Nene's salary. Seraphin is a better defensive C already, perhaps.

It is done now and I hope it works out.

[closg00]

We would have lost McGee anyway. Was helping Denver by taking-on Nene's contract really the best move?

[Induveca]

It's not about McGee.

It's all about Nene's salary. Seraphin is a better defensive C already, perhaps.

It is done now and I hope it works out.

Me too....but Nene is a professional who has seen success. We need more of these guys on our team.

I'm happy to dump McGee and Young. They were both inconsistent and horribly frustrating. Seraphin has potential but not as a starter if you have a Nene on your squad.

Also don't forget a good 2 seasons of his misses games was due to cancer.

[hands11]

Once someone mentioned Pam, things started to look better about this deal.

I hope some other team can get through to the kid, but it wasnt going to happen here. I always wanted him as a energy player of the bench but he wasnt that here. And it natural and want to see that much athletic potential stick around because.. what if.. I mean the kid has mad athletic talent. But the brain if is attacked to and how that rooted here is the difference. Maybe some place else it will work out.

And I know lots of people dont like Ves on here but he is that energy guy. 7-0 He can jump. He is young. And he isnt nearly as stupid. Actually he is smart. Give him time. McGee could stand straight on the floor his first year.

Compare Ves in year one to McGee in year one is a no brainer. Ves is much better. Has a better foundation to the game. He is stronger. Smarter. So they still have a big who is an energy guy. But now they have a solid vet center. Something this team desperately needed.

The team simply had to move on from stupid and McGee, Pam and Nick are all about stupid.

The team still has to deal with young, but now they are not young and dumb. Big difference.

[Spence]

McGee will be an allstar in 2-3 years, right around year-4 of Nene's deal.

In the NBDL?

[closg00]

McGee will be an allstar in 2-3 years, right around year-4 of Nene's deal.

In the NBDL?

Exactly

Seriously, we have such a horrible organization, I expect JaVale to improve significantly over the next few years under a better organization.

[MDStar]

Can't say I'm a fan of EG but hearing him on CSN just now, he made some sense. He said something to the effect that with a lot of teams having cap room this off-season, they didn't want to go into free agency without having a established big man locked up.

I guess they looked at the landscape, saw the number of potential free agent big men available, looked at the amount of teams with cap space and realized them getting a good, professional, established, productive center in free agency, would probably be unlikely. Trying to build a winning team for next year, I certainly understand the logic.

[Spence]

What I'm reading indicates Nene's salary isn't going to be a problem for the Wiz going forward. They should still be able to do the things they want to do to improve. I get that some people find it offensive that Nene's salary is/will be so high and figure it must be a bad trade because of that, but I don't see why anyone should care what he earns so long as it isn't a big problem for the team in the future. As long as Nene's salary isn't an albatross preventing the team from making the necessary moves to improve, I don't see the problem.

Now, if your objection really is that Javale McGee is going to be an All Star... Well, I don't know how to argue with that. You either believe that or you don't and it can't be proven or disproven at this date. I don't think McGee will ever be an elite player in this league. I believe he has the talent, but I don't think he'll have have the brains or work ethic. Not even close. He's a stupid athlete on the court and a lazy one off the court. The NBA is dominated by hard workers. You'll see plenty of Javale on ESPN in the years to come because he's always going to be throwing down monster alley-oops and swatting shots into the third row. I wonder how often they'll show him getting his ass handed to him on pick and roll.

[nate33]

Compare Ves in year one to McGee in year one is a no brainer. Ves is much better. Has a better foundation to the game. He is stronger. Smarter.

I wish I could agree with you, but I can't. Vesely is terrible. His PER is 7.2. In McGee's rookie year, he posted a PER of 17.0

Vesely totally lacks any kind of offense game. He is a self check. His only hope is if he can bulk up and become a center (where being a self check isn't detrimental). If he can't do that, he is no better than an 11th or 12th man to be used sporadically against certain matchups when the team needs some energy.

[MDStar]

What I'm reading indicates Nene's salary isn't going to be a problem for the Wiz going forward. They should still be able to do the things they want to do to improve. I get that some people find it offensive that Nene's salary is/will be so high and figure it must be a bad trade because of that, but I don't see why anyone should care what he earns so long as it isn't a big problem for the team in the future. As long as Nene's salary isn't an albatross preventing the team from making the necessary moves to improve, I don't see the problem.

Now, if your objection really is that Javale McGee is going to be an All Star... Well, I don't know how to argue with that. You either believe that or you don't and it can't be proven or disproven at this date. I don't think McGee will ever be an elite player in this league. I believe he has the talent, but I don't think he'll have have the brains or work ethic. Not even close. He's a stupid athlete on the court and a lazy one off the court. The NBA is dominated by hard workers. You'll see plenty of Javale on ESPN in the years to come because he's always going to be throwing down monster alley-oops and swatting shots into the third row. I wonder how often they'll show him getting his ass handed to him on pick and roll.

+1

[dangermouse]

McGee won't blow up in Denver. Air is too thin. He will struggle to inhale...

Now on to Nene. Is he a good pick and roll guy for Wall? Would be great if we could get that going on offense.

[Illuminaire]

Aye. If there were enough good big men to man the center position, salary costs wouldn't be so inflated. There are never enough good centers, so relying on free agency to get one was an extremely risky proposition. Several teams are always left out, and the best players are almost always RFAs.

This was the safer way to go, despite the inherent risks of a 29 year over youth. It was playing the percentages.

[theboomking]

I think this was probably a bad trade because it has a chance to derail our push for a high lotto pick, and, as I said prior to FA, adding Nene is a finishing move. The Wizards don't have the roster to justify adding a 29-30yo highly paid player on a long contract.

However, after reading CCJ's rants, my reaction is more that this trade is about a million times better than Wall for Pau Gasol, or any trade that brings Lamar Odom to the Wizards.

It's not about McGee.

It's all about Nene's salary. Seraphin is a better defensive C already, perhaps.

It is done now and I hope it works out.

I agree about Nene's salary, but I think for you, it largely is about McGee. You just don't see him for what he is. You see length and jumping ability, and PER, but don't see that McGee's PER isn't indicative of his net effect on the team. I actually think McGee is a pretty good offensive player, and will likely improve on that end of the floor. The problem is, that, especially in a league with no hand checking, your center has to be able to defend.

Raffy, Cousins is the guy I took so much crap for saying he'd be very good. Now you're saying he's more talented than Javale?

If you call playing intelligently and shoring up one's weaknesses talent, sure, Cousins is better than McGee. DeMarcus has skilled moves. He's improved his rebounding a lot. He's cut down his turnovers a lot. He's cut down his fouls some. He shoots FTs much better. But, he's a very limited player physically. He's a guy who needs a McGee next to him.

McGee is going to be like Cousins in one respect. The same people who are down him now (like they were Cousins this time last year) will come back and say Javale is much better than they thought.

McGee is going to have more impact on big games than Cousins in the very near future. Now that Javale plays with a leader, Lawson, and he plays with a tough PF who can rebound consistently, Faried; that guy is going to kill it.

McGee is a stud and people in Washington will get to watch him win just like they watched Rip, when he went to a decent organization.

All this crap about McGee being so dumb wasn't what people were saying as recently as January. Flip's team got off to a terrible start, especially John Wall, but McGee was the bright spot. People let approximately 7 weeks of ball color their perspective. They ignore metrics that show McGee's worth. They say he's NEVER going to get it????

Incredible. I think he just got his first good break. I am so happy for McGee.

January. January?? I said before last year's draft that McGee's greatest value was as a trade chip and that we should cash him in for a pick. The problem isn't that our view of mcGee is clouded by his recent play. The problem is that EG didn't see the situation with McGee for what it was early enough to cash out McGee when he had more value.

McGee doesn't have the mentality to earn his next contract. He nicknamed himself 'Pierre', has a videoblog with that idiot, NY, and has more bloopers and planking pics than he does quotes about wanting to win or make the playoffs.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I think this was probably a bad trade because it has a chance to derail our push for a high lotto pick, and, as I said prior to FA, adding Nene is a finishing move. The Wizards don't have the roster to justify adding a 29-30yo highly paid player on a long contract.

However, after reading CCJ's rants, my reaction is more that this trade is about a million times better than Wall for Pau Gasol, or any trade that brings Lamar Odom to the Wizards.

It's not about McGee.

It's all about Nene's salary. Seraphin is a better defensive C already, perhaps.

It is done now and I hope it works out.

I agree about Nene's salary, but I think for you, it largely is about McGee. You just don't see him for what he is. You see length and jumping ability, and PER, but don't see that McGee's PER isn't indicative of his net effect on the team. I actually think McGee is a pretty good offensive player, and will likely improve on that end of the floor. The problem is, that, especially in a league with no hand checking, your center has to be able to defend.

Raffy, Cousins is the guy I took so much crap for saying he'd be very good. Now you're saying he's more talented than Javale?

If you call playing intelligently and shoring up one's weaknesses talent, sure, Cousins is better than McGee. DeMarcus has skilled moves. He's improved his rebounding a lot. He's cut down his turnovers a lot. He's cut down his fouls some. He shoots FTs much better. But, he's a very limited player physically. He's a guy who needs a McGee next to him.

McGee is going to be like Cousins in one respect. The same people who are down him now (like they were Cousins this time last year) will come back and say Javale is much better than they thought.

McGee is going to have more impact on big games than Cousins in the very near future. Now that Javale plays with a leader, Lawson, and he plays with a tough PF who can rebound consistently, Faried; that guy is going to kill it.

McGee is a stud and people in Washington will get to watch him win just like they watched Rip, when he went to a decent organization.

All this crap about McGee being so dumb wasn't what people were saying as recently as January. Flip's team got off to a terrible start, especially John Wall, but McGee was the bright spot. People let approximately 7 weeks of ball color their perspective. They ignore metrics that show McGee's worth. They say he's NEVER going to get it????

Incredible. I think he just got his first good break. I am so happy for McGee.

January. January?? I said before last year's draft that McGee's greatest value was as a trade chip and that we should cash him in for a pick. The problem isn't that our view of mcGee is clouded by his recent play. The problem is that EG didn't see the situation with McGee for what it was early enough to cash out McGee when he had more value.

McGee doesn't have the mentality to earn his next contract. He nicknamed himself 'Pierre', has a videoblog with that idiot, NY, and has more bloopers and planking pics than he does quotes about wanting to win or make the playoffs.

The Wall trade for Pau was Unseldian by me, no doubt.

You can bring up that trade but it still won't make me feel bad about my record of I told you sos. It still doesn't have a thing to do with my concerns about this deal.