Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 8

[Rapsfan07]

Terrence Jones continues to outplay mkg and hb, yet he continues to not get mentioned by anyone around here.

i dont post a lot, but I always mention terrence jones and believe he should be in the top 10

Certainly not in the Top 10. Perhaps late lotto...and even that's a stretch.

Trust me, if you've been watching TJ play the past 2 years, you'd know that taking him in the Top 10 is a very, very bad idea. He's very inconsistent and can disappear for games at a time. Then come back and do it all again. He's a good bench player on deep team though if he pans out.

But I'd easily take Tyler Zeller over him. That guy's been very consistent and brings a lot of good things to the table. I think he'll be a serviceable big in the league for a long time.

On the Sullinger discussion...I think he's highly underrated. Boozer, Milsap and Brand are good comparisons. Still, he's not my favourite prospect on the board. He'd benefit from losing a little more weight but workouts and combine measurements are going to be hugely important to his and Robinson's stock.

I'd like to somehow acquire another pick in this draft. Maybe we get #2 or #3 and trade down to NOLA or Portland for their picks? I've said this before but I'd also like BC to trade Ed for Quincy Miller if at all possible. Maybe a team down there would take Ed instead who's more of a known commodity and a good rotation big than Miller. For us, we've got a surplus of bigs anyways so might as well make a low risk move to get a potential high-reward player. Then, we can package our second rounders for a late 1st (26+) and draft Doron Lamb. Right now he's projected to go early second which would be idea for us but if we feel he's going to go earlier than expected, I'd do it. That's better than bringing on two second players. If that's not possible than I'd take a specialist that can contribute right away or a good Euro prospect and stash them in Europe. Van Ostrum seems like a good candidate if he declares.

A draft of Top 5 pick + Miller + Lamb would be a really, really good one.

[yayotube]

We need Anthony Davis more than any other bottom feeder does. The reason being he effectively ends the Bargnani-era in Toronto and I think it's time that happened. Oh and of course it doesn't hurt that he's a stud prospect.

[_Choco_]

Agree with above. It's time to cut the cord on Bargs and package him on draft night for a play at 1st overall.

[macro6]

I pray to Allah that we win the lottery so we can move bargs.

[Indeed]

More than likely that Jonas and Davis will fight for minutes instead of Bargnani.
At best, both of them are at rookie level of Cousins/Aldridge, and far from ready to play next to each other, especially their lack of strength.

[McFurious1]

"@nbadraftnet: We're hearing FR Texas PG Myck Kabongo is leaning toward leaving for the NBA, despite being a likely 2nd rounder according to scouts."

[freamon]

Agree with above. It's time to cut the cord on Bargs and package him on draft night for a play at 1st overall.

Don't think there is a "play" for #1 overall; not a team in the league -- and certainly not one in the lottery -- would give up Davis & his potential for the 7 or so years you can generally lock in first round picks. I mean, maybe if it's LeBron coming the other way... even then, you'd have to think about it since LeBron or any established star will eat up way more of your cap flexibility than Davis will for the foreseeable future.

[thunderforce]

"@nbadraftnet: We're hearing FR Texas PG Myck Kabongo is leaning toward leaving for the NBA, despite being a likely 2nd rounder according to scouts."

Yes .

[Salted Meat]

More than likely that Jonas and Davis will fight for minutes instead of Bargnani.
At best, both of them are at rookie level of Cousins/Aldridge, and far from ready to play next to each other, especially their lack of strength.

Jonas has been pretty impressive holding his own against grown men so far in Europe. He's also proven he can play against elite big men like Gasol and Noah. He's pretty strong already, and I'm confident he'll only get stronger in the next 8 months. Sure he'll have some challenges, but every rookie does.

Davis would probably be our PF, which helps negate some of his lack of strength, as there aren't too many PF's who play in the post these days. His length and defensive abilities will be huge as an off-ball lane intimidator.

Re-sign Gray, and keep one of Davis/Amir. Johnson/Kleiza can fill in minutes at the 4 if we're in foul trouble.

I'd pay to watch a Valanciunas/Anthony Davis frontline.

[eitanr]

I wouldn't bank on landing Anthony Davis via trade as freamon points out, but I do believe the time to cut the cord with Bargs is on draft day and I don't believe the team needs to draft Davis in order to do so.

With bigs like Sullinger perhaps falling on draft day, I'd rather see the team land a nice wing (Lamb/Barnes) with their 1st pick and then deal DeRozan, who has increased some of his value, to Cleveland for the Cavs 9th pick or so and like Gibson's expiring deal. With that pick I'd like to land Sullinger. I think then you have a Grizzlies like future 4/5 of Val and Sully, and that's the type of structure that could eventually beat the Heat.

Now what then do you do with Bargnani? You would like to get a pick for him to use on a PG. I still like the Bargnani FOR iggy idea personally and feel that the team needs one high usage rate, smart, efficient, good culture guy, who can orchestrate the offense more aggressively (sorry Jose) and make this team competitive. Thus my final lineup, before any free agent signings, would be the below:

PF J. Sullinger/ E. Davis
SF H. Barnes/ J. Johnson
C J. Valanciunas/ A. Johnson/ A. Gray
SG A. Iguodala/ L. Kleiza/ G. Forbes
PG J. Calderon/ J. Bayless/ D. Gibson

[Reignman]

"@nbadraftnet: We're hearing FR Texas PG Myck Kabongo is leaning toward leaving for the NBA, despite being a likely 2nd rounder according to scouts."

Yes .

TBH, I know he's a Canadian kid and all but there are better PGs in this draft (some that will also go later). I haven't been impressed with Myck's game at all, he needs another year or 2 in college to polish his game.

[Kevin Willis]

"@nbadraftnet: We're hearing FR Texas PG Myck Kabongo is leaning toward leaving for the NBA, despite being a likely 2nd rounder according to scouts."

I think Texas is bringing in a pretty good class next year. He may be concerned about min. PGs take longer to develop though, they should probably stay at least 2 years unless they're at Irving, Wall, Rose level.

Wroten should stay another year too. Ross come out now and start schooling ppl. Now he's a shooter.

But yeah Kabongo, don't do it unless you have to.

Edit: And his shooting at the end of the year was horrible. I would rather take Triano's nephew from Baylor than Kabongo right now.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Sign Nash and bring Myck off the bench. He's just raw and weak (which isn't good for a point guard) but he's still the same talent that was highly rated coming into the season and if we could get him with our second round pick I'd be happy. DX has him as the 5th best prospect in next year's draft, so they still believe. He still put up 5.3 assists per game. And he's got one of the best FT/FGA rates in college ball. He'll be able to hit the three eventually and run a team properly, play a little defense. I'd be all for it.

[DreamTeam09]

If we draft him he should spend the whole 2012-2013 season in the d-league. Hes barely 170lbs

[thunderforce]

this was his first year and wasen't he doing better stat wise than Nash in his first year ? I would take him with a second round pick for sure .

[eitanr]

I think when you start analyzing all of the recent successful rebuilds you can come up with the following conclusions:

Obviously the ones that have been wildly successful were the Thunder and the Bulls, but I like looking at the Blazers and Grizzlies more.

OKC and CHI benefitted from landing future HOFs with their picks and could easily build around them. We should be so lucky, but a more comprehensible approach is Portland or Memphis. They never got really lucky (yes the Blazers landed Oden, but suffered through his injuries), but were either on the verge of success or are seeing it now. Also both teams had a huge big man presence to try and build around.

I think years ago when Portland had the lineup of Miller/Roy/Batum/LMA/Oden they were on the right track in terms of nearing contention and likely would have gotten there had not Oden got hurt. Memphis is near there now again with a lineup of 4 real young guys and one vet/high usage rate scorer in there sense stirring the ship: Conley/T. Allen/Gay/Z-Bo/Gasol.

So what I see in the above is teams built around a young core with a strong vet who strengthens a huge weakness on the team and sort of steers the ship in the right way. I don't think Bargnani is that guy but Iggy might be. Since the team has Val, you want to build around him and also add some size, but you need that vet who can orchestrate the offense more efficiently.

Not saying to be like the Wiz, who taught us you can't just throw in 10 talented rooks and hope to rebuild.

[Al_Oliver]

"@nbadraftnet: We're hearing FR Texas PG Myck Kabongo is leaning toward leaving for the NBA, despite being a likely 2nd rounder according to scouts."

Yes .

TBH, I know he's a Canadian kid and all but there are better PGs in this draft (some that will also go later). I haven't been impressed with Myck's game at all, he needs another year or 2 in college to polish his game.

Agree, but for a 2nd rounder, give him a promise... we can develop him and bnring him along slowly. The talent is there, just needs seasoning.

[FluLikeSymptoms]

A couple months back I saw Myck shoot a corner 3 which barely caught the baseline edge of the glass. He's not even close skill-wise. He's a great athlete with vision, balance and coordination but he's probably equally good at soccer or football or ultimate frisbee.

[ATLTimekeeper]

A couple months back I saw Myck shoot a corner 3 which barely caught the baseline edge of the glass. He's not even close skill-wise. He's a great athlete with vision, balance and coordination but he's probably equally good at soccer or football or ultimate frisbee.

Ha ha. Well, that will happen from time to time. He was a good three point shooter in high school and he hit about 32% this year. Not awful. He's also got a quick first step and decent handle. There's enough there that's NBA quality. He just needs more time and muscle. He'd be a great buy-low.

[Los Manos]

It's definitely premature to say draft Kabongo and he can play backup. However if they do draft him in the second round, he'd make a great 3rd pg on the roster to give him a couple of years to develop on a cheap 2 year second round deal.