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Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 8

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Who do you want the Raptors to select in the 2012 NBA draft?

Anthony Davis
79
31%
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
45
18%
Harrison Barnes
57
23%
Jared Sullinger
1
0%
Perry Jones
4
2%
Quincy Miller
6
2%
Bradley Beal
33
13%
Andre Drummond
9
4%
Thomas Robinson
6
2%
Other
11
4%
 
Total votes: 251

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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 8 

Post#521 » by Al_Oliver » Wed Mar 21, 2012 6:08 pm

Saciid11 wrote:
Marlo Stanfield wrote:Boozer as your best player is worse than Bosh as your best player. It's funny how these same whiners from before would be content with mediocrity again. I'm not cool with that.


I would rather have Bosh and Boozer as my best players rather then Bargnani lets put it that way... Sullinger will give this team sonething they never had high percentage low post scoring, rebounding, his defense on the low post is much better then Boozer, love, Milsap .. players built like him.


Raps actually had his predecessor on the team... his name was Big Nasty, or Corliss Wliiamson if you don't remember
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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 8 

Post#522 » by Dr Positivity » Wed Mar 21, 2012 6:23 pm

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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 8 

Post#523 » by Saciid11 » Wed Mar 21, 2012 6:30 pm

Marlo Stanfield wrote:Who would you rather have a 7 foot shooting monster who's damn near unguardable or an undersized, overweight PF?

My answer remains, neither. If it comes down to Sullinger, trade the pick.


Trade Bargnani and keep the pick if it's Sullinger and build around Val and Sullinger front court...


Sullinger is more valuable then anyone you are gone get in trade,besides you are not gone get Rondo, Deron, Dwight, etc for the pick.
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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 8 

Post#524 » by Saciid11 » Wed Mar 21, 2012 6:34 pm

yayotube wrote:What would you rather have a 7 foot volume jump shooting PF that can't box out and rebound or a 6'8 PF who is an efficient beast down low (pause) and can rebound at a high rate?



People tend to underrate players they know, in this draft Sullinger, Barnes, Rivers and Lamb are being extremely underrated ...while Perry Jones, Beal, MKG, Macdoo, Meyers, Drummond, Thomas, are extremelly underrated ...
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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 8 

Post#525 » by Saciid11 » Wed Mar 21, 2012 6:38 pm

Al_Oliver wrote:
Saciid11 wrote:
Marlo Stanfield wrote:Boozer as your best player is worse than Bosh as your best player. It's funny how these same whiners from before would be content with mediocrity again. I'm not cool with that.


I would rather have Bosh and Boozer as my best players rather then Bargnani lets put it that way... Sullinger will give this team sonething they never had high percentage low post scoring, rebounding, his defense on the low post is much better then Boozer, love, Milsap .. players built like him.


Raps actually had his predecessor on the team... his name was Big Nasty, or Corliss Wliiamson if you don't remember



Hahaaa .. Corlissimo William was small forward allot like James Johnsson or in college Royce White... Sullinger is power forward and considered by many scouts to be one of the best post player to come in to college for a long time. Sullinger is Boozer, zach Randolph, Bigger version of Milsap, Al Jeffersson type of player not Corlisimo who was small forward/power forward...
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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 8 

Post#526 » by sunny » Wed Mar 21, 2012 6:50 pm

sunny wrote:updated as of March 20th:

Scott Howard-Cooper from nba.com

1) Anthony Davis
2) Harrison Barnes
3) Andre Drummond
4) Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
5) Jared Sullinger
6) Brad Beal
7) Thomas Robinson
8) Cody Zeller
9) James Mcadoo
10) Perry Jones
11) Jeremy Lamb
12) Damian Lillard
13) John Henson
14) Austin Rivers

nbadraft.net

1)Anthony Davis
2) Harrison Barnes
3) Thomas Robinson
4) Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
5) Andre Drummond
6) Jeremy Lamb
7) Arnett Moultrie
8) Brad Beal
9) Meyers Leonard
10) Damian Lillard
11) Austin Rivers
12) Jared Sullinger

Draftexpress.com
1) Anthony Davis
2) Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
3) Thomas Robinson
4) Andre Drummond
5) Jared Sullinger
6) Harrison Barnes
7) Perry Jones
8) John Henson
9) Tyler Zeller
10) Brad Beal
11) Terrence Jones
12) Jeremy Lamb

Chad Ford
1) Anthony Davis
2) Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
3) Thomas Robinson
4) Brad Beal
5) Harrison Barnes
6) Andre Drummond
7) James Mcadoo
8) Perry Jones
9) Cody Zeller
10) Jared Sullinger
11) Tyler Zeller
12) Damian Lillard
13) Jeremy Lamb


draftexpress.com updated march 21

1) Anthony Davis
2) Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
3) Thomas Robinson
4) Andre Drummond
5) Jared Sullinger
6) Harrison Barnes
7) Brad Beal
8) John Henson
9) Perry Jones
10) Tyler Zeller
11) Terrence Jones
12) JEremy Lamb
13) Damian Lillard
14) Kendall Marshall

Aside from the low placement of Jeremy Lamb, this is a great mock IMO.
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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 8 

Post#527 » by Kevin Willis » Wed Mar 21, 2012 6:51 pm

Marvin! wrote:some GM/Scout reaction to yesterday's Mock

2. GMs seem to think we have Austin Rivers too low. While scouts have generally been down on him all year, a number of NBA GMs told me they had him ranked considerably higher on their boards. One high-level scout told me that they had Rivers ranked as a top five or six player in the draft.

3. Fans seem to think we have Tyler Zeller too high. I got more feedback from readers about Zeller than anyone else. I think it's a visceral reaction more than anything. Every GM and scout I spoke with have him in their Top 12. I think he's more skilled and athletic than people realize.

4. The point guards could all end up going higher. Next year, ESPNU doesn't have one point guard ranked in their Top 20 of the incoming recruiting class. The top point guard is Kris Dunn from Providence and he's ranked at No. 23. That means waiting until next year for an elite point guard to emerge might prove fruitless. I had a number of GMs tell me that Damian Lillard, Kendall Marshall, Tony Wroten Jr., B.J. Young, Marquis Teague and Myck Kabongo could all go higher than they are currently projected. Then again, the dearth of point guards in the 2013 draft could be an incentive for players like Teague and Kabongo to return to school and possibly go much higher next year.


Thanks. I'm not big on Austin Rivers myself. Maybe it's the system, not sure, but he didn't stand out this year.
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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 8 

Post#528 » by fredericklove » Wed Mar 21, 2012 7:08 pm

roundhead0 wrote:I just checked the poll results...a lot of people like Beal but I wonder about his fit here.

He's slightly smallish for a modern NBA SG (6'4, average wingspan) and while he has nice shooting form, his inconsistency on his outside jumper is a bit worrisome. From what I've seen he doesn't look like a great finisher around the rim and doesn't have great handles or the ability to create his own shots, though he will drive.

It looks like he should develop into a decent NBA SG, but I'm not sure of his fit next to DD (who I assume would be shifted to SF) mostly because they would both be slightly undersized, and neither are particularly good at creating their own shots off the dribble.


Definitely, you've seen how he played so I definitely share the same concern in terms of ball handle, it's actually nice to share the same concern with someone who actually seen how he plays instead of prematurely retardedly throw out numbers to attack on things without seeing the games and prematurely assume the beal fans attack the ignorant poster relentlessly without legitimate reasons.

His handle does worry me because so far I've seen him sneakily attack but I like to see him do that on a consistent basis. With a good handle, a player can do so much more with it, I'm skeptical on why he doesn't do much mid-range, was it due to his limited handle? So far I've seen the repertoire of 3 point jump shot ability/attacking/playmaking but rarely any mid-range. I'm really concerned about this aspect of his game.

From what we both seen live, his finishing ability around the rim isn't as great, tho he will sacrifice his body in the lane which is something I prefer over a guy like Lamb who's reluctant to do that at all. He definitely needs to improve on his body control if he wants to finish at the rim on a NBA level. I know many shares the concern with his undersized body, good thing he's strongly built but the concern with him and demar on the floor together is quite noticeable. That's why I don't mind if Beal comes off the bench as sixth man in first year, and if things don't work out, trade Demar.

Also his shooting is quite a concern, I don't know if its the mental issue or not, a guy with a textbook shooting form with smooth release shouldn't be shooting this terrible. I hope he can improve on that once he goes to the NBA.

I appreciate your insight, you've observed quite a few concerns from watching him and I shared the exact same concern. Hope you can come to game thread on Thursday so we can analyze more on Beal and I'm glad you don't just blindly throw out numbers to make criticism, I'd appreciate that, thx bro.
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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 8 

Post#529 » by fredericklove » Wed Mar 21, 2012 7:12 pm

sunny wrote:
draftexpress.com updated march 21

1) Anthony Davis
2) Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
3) Thomas Robinson
4) Andre Drummond
5) Jared Sullinger
6) Harrison Barnes
7) Brad Beal
8) John Henson
9) Perry Jones
10) Tyler Zeller
11) Terrence Jones
12) JEremy Lamb
13) Damian Lillard
14) Kendall Marshall

Aside from the low placement of Jeremy Lamb, this is a great mock IMO.


If this is the order on the draft day I'd be thrilled because if we do pick 5th or 6th its perfect. Seeing guys which we don't need, like T-Rob, MKG and Drummond going off early we get to decide on Harry or Beal, and even Lamb. That's perfect.
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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 8 

Post#530 » by fredericklove » Wed Mar 21, 2012 7:19 pm

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thunderforce wrote:
TBH, I know he's a Canadian kid and all but there are better PGs in this draft (some that will also go later). I haven't been impressed with Myck's game at all, he needs another year or 2 in college to polish his game.


Agree, but for a 2nd rounder, give him a promise... we can develop him and bnring him along slowly. The talent is there, just needs seasoning.


Thunder, we get Kabongo in the freaking 2nd round man! What's not to like about that? For this whole year alot of posters wanted another 1st round pick for him or even a lottery pick for him in the earlier season. We wouldn't be thrilled if he's available in our 2nd round pick??!?! Kabongo has the potential to be a starter if he works on his offense cos his playmaking ability and defense are quite solid from what I've seen.

Plus he's a local kid, what's not to like about that? He'll most likely be loyal to our team and with his work ethic, he'll no doubt improve.

Plus, we have a more balanced of offense next year, for a guy like Kabongo with his court vision, its perfect situation for him. We have bunch of offensive talent that he can defer to.

We take him in 2nd round and RUN away with it in joy!
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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 8 

Post#531 » by sunny » Wed Mar 21, 2012 7:21 pm

fredericklove wrote:
sunny wrote:
draftexpress.com updated march 21

1) Anthony Davis
2) Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
3) Thomas Robinson
4) Andre Drummond
5) Jared Sullinger
6) Harrison Barnes
7) Brad Beal
8) John Henson
9) Perry Jones
10) Tyler Zeller
11) Terrence Jones
12) JEremy Lamb
13) Damian Lillard
14) Kendall Marshall

Aside from the low placement of Jeremy Lamb, this is a great mock IMO.


If this is the order on the draft day I'd be thrilled because if we do pick 5th or 6th its perfect. Seeing guys which we don't need, like T-Rob, MKG and Drummond going off early we get to decide on Harry or Beal, and even Lamb. That's perfect.


Between 2 and 7, there is not one guy I love or hate, I would be ambivalent to all of them. The only prospect I "like" above their expected range is Lamb. Why do you think we don't need T-Rob,MKG,Drummond when we are so far away from having a complete team? What happens if T-rob becomes better than zach randolph and Barnes becomes a 16 ppg 3 point, spot up shooter; I view that as a much worse scenario for our future.

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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 8 

Post#532 » by fredericklove » Wed Mar 21, 2012 7:40 pm

sunny wrote:
Between 2 and 7, there is not one guy I love or hate, I would be ambivalent to all of them. The only prospect I "like" above their expected range is Lamb. Why do you think we don't need T-Rob,MKG,Drummond when we are so far away from having a complete team? What happens if T-rob becomes better than zach randolph and Barnes becomes a 16 ppg 3 point, spot up shooter; I view that as a much worse scenario for our future.

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Considering BC's devoted love for Bargs, unless the guy is Davis I'm not sure he'll take a chance on the rest of the PFs, that's just imo or I could be wrong. Besides, I still think the 2-5 on that list and Barnes/Beal/Lamb are on equal ground in terms of talent level, except Drummond, his potential is obviously higher than anyone on that list (higher than Davis).

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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 8 

Post#533 » by ballislife » Wed Mar 21, 2012 7:43 pm

Hoopshype says that Myck Kabongo is leaning towards entering the NBA draft... even though he's slated as a 2nd rounder right now by scouts. That's music to my ears. I hope he makes it to the 2nd round because we have a low pick there. If I'm BC, I do everything I can to get him in a Raptors uniform.

If we can come out of the draft with something like Barnes + Kabongo, we come out with an A+... Kabongo in the 2nd round is a steal. Then in the offseason, use Kabongo and Canada to lure Steve Nash in to mentor the group we have and lead us in a playoff charge.

Nash/Kabongo (can't get a much better PG situation than this)
DeRozan/ FA/ Forbes
Barnes / JJ / Kleiza
Bargnani / Ed / Kleiza
Valanciunas / Amir / Gray

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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 8 

Post#534 » by niQ » Wed Mar 21, 2012 8:05 pm

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sunny wrote:I actually think that scouts/gm's use misdirection all the time and blatantly lie to the chad ford/givony types. They will happily lap up and buy into 100% what anyone tells them and then paint a picture for the rest of us to follow.

However, what teams/scouts are actually thinking now is probably very different than what they will publicly announce on draft day.

In fact, every team has an incredibly different outlook on prospects and different draft order. If some guy came on here last year and starting saying how TT should be the 4th pick, everyone would lambast him.

I'm actually very curious if people could post some mocks of previous drafts from this time in the year. it would be very interesting to see the changes.


1) I remember Chad Ford said his list is based on a averaging out a bunch of scouts' mocks. Meaning he gets an idea of where everyone ranks the prospects and he justs sort of averages it out.

2) http://www.archive.org/web/web.php There you go. If the link doesn't work..go google waybackwhen machine or something.


Don't know if you guys noticed this, but if you are interested in seeing mock drafts during a specific time in the past. Use that link. Type in the site (ie: nbadraft.net) and they will have random screen shots. They don't have every single day, but you'll have to choose whatever's closest.
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Post#535 » by JamesNaismith » Wed Mar 21, 2012 8:17 pm

I'm willing to bet MKG and TRob don't go top 3.
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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 8 

Post#536 » by fredericklove » Wed Mar 21, 2012 8:23 pm

JamesNaismith wrote:I'm willing to bet MKG and TRob don't go top 3.


Dude, what's your top 3?
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Post#537 » by jsmith » Wed Mar 21, 2012 8:25 pm

ballislife wrote:
Nash/Kabongo (can't get a much better PG situation than this)
DeRozan/ FA/ Forbes
Barnes / JJ / Kleiza
Bargnani / Ed / Kleiza
Valanciunas / Amir / Gray

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I like this lineup, it has a little of everything. Needs a good scorer off the bench in the 2 spot and it would be a nice lineup to go forward with. Should work OK with MKG or Beal as well but Barnes is probably the best fit.
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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 8 

Post#538 » by ballislife » Wed Mar 21, 2012 8:41 pm

jsmith wrote:
ballislife wrote:
Nash/Kabongo (can't get a much better PG situation than this)
DeRozan/ FA/ Forbes
Barnes / JJ / Kleiza
Bargnani / Ed / Kleiza
Valanciunas / Amir / Gray

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I like this lineup, it has a little of everything. Needs a good scorer off the bench in the 2 spot and it would be a nice lineup to go forward with. Should work OK with MKG or Beal as well but Barnes is probably the best fit.


Maybe Barbosa feels like coming back on a decent contract lol... he'd be a great fit. But I think Nash would do wonders for our young guys, especially Valanciunas and Kabongo if we can get him.
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Post#539 » by JamesNaismith » Wed Mar 21, 2012 8:42 pm

fredericklove wrote:
JamesNaismith wrote:I'm willing to bet MKG and TRob don't go top 3.


Dude, what's your top 3?


Davis, Barnes, Drummond
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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 8 

Post#540 » by DreamTeam09 » Wed Mar 21, 2012 9:14 pm

Not a fan of T-rob at all. He has way less of a game than blake does with the same strength & hops. Plenty of bigs from this draft will be better. Sullinger didn't impress me against the Zags & the taller sacre. draft.net has him listed at 6'10 but looked closer to 6'8 that day.
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