Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 9

[fredericklove]

Harassed? I'm not even threatening anyone here And it's not the first day I joined this forum anyways, people go back and forth at each other with bunch of disagreements here and there. It's a warzone, I enjoy it. I don't go beyond swearing or saying "yo ma ma" or "you wanna fight? I wanna take you on now", I've seen that on NBA draft board which had me LOL

Just a sidenote, but i didn't even know that you were warned, so that should show you that 2 Mod's noticed something similar. Just take it easy....I read all your posts in the draft threads because you are knowledgeable.

I got warned by Ozzy in a raps game thread and to be honest who doesn't get warned in that thread especially when your emotions were at peak level from watching that roster plays. He warned me for saying "ANDREA IS TOO DUMB TO GUARD LOPEZ"

[Undefeated]

I want to get another first rounder to get Q.Miller if we get Anthony Davis, he looks like the biggest steal right now. nice jumper, decent handle, excellent length and brimming with potential. either him or lamb who is gonna inevitably slip.

Not seeing this Miller love at all. I've watched several Baylor games but I still haven't seen Miller yet...
Kid was a high recruit but he hasn't done much all year and pulled a huge disappearing act when the games counted the most. Do not want. He definitely needs to return to school for another year.

Q-Miller's minutes have been down which could be a factor as to why he hasn't done much. If any prospect pulled a huge disappearing act on Baylor, it's Perry Jones III. Against all the ranked opponents Baylor played this year, it was Quincy Miller who had to carry them. Check his game log here:

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/gamelog/_/id/56614/quincy-miller

I don't know what happened in the 2nd Half for Quincy Miller today, but he played well in the 1st Half blocking shots, rebounding the ball and knocking down a three-point. I agree, he's better suited to return to Baylor. He really needs to work on getting low to the floor if he wants to harness those ball-handling skills.

[fredericklove]

Scenraio:

A few teams jump into the top 3 pushing New Orleans down to 5/6 pick along with their no.12 pick. The Raptors have the no.2 pick and New Orleans is looking to trade up to get their guy - as an example MKG.

Do you:

Keep the no.2 pick?

Trade down for New Orleans two lottery picks?

Trade the no.2 pick in a package for an all-Star/borderline talent?

If it's #2 hell yeah I trade down and take 5/6 & 12. I'd go Beal/MKG/Barnes and Rivers/Lamb/Lillard/Miller at 12. It's better than having to pick at #2 between Drummond, MKG, Barnes and Beal.

I go Harrison Beal and Lillard and call it a day. And throw a "tank nation party" after that.

[Dr Positivity]

Harassed? I'm not even threatening anyone here And it's not the first day I joined this forum anyways, people go back and forth at each other with bunch of disagreements here and there. It's a warzone, I enjoy it. I don't go beyond swearing or saying "yo ma ma" or "you wanna fight? I wanna take you on now", I've seen that on NBA draft board which had me LOL

Just a sidenote, but i didn't even know that you were warned, so that should show you that 2 Mod's noticed something similar. Just take it easy....I read all your posts in the draft threads because you are knowledgeable.

I got warned by Ozzy in a raps game thread and to be honest who doesn't get warned in that thread especially when your emotions were at peak level from watching that roster plays. He warned me for saying "ANDREA IS TOO DUMB TO GUARD LOPEZ"

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[Los Manos]

Scenraio:

A few teams jump into the top 3 pushing New Orleans down to 5/6 pick along with their no.12 pick. The Raptors have the no.2 pick and New Orleans is looking to trade up to get their guy - as an example MKG.

Do you:

Keep the no.2 pick?

Trade down for New Orleans two lottery picks?

Trade the no.2 pick in a package for an all-Star/borderline talent?

If it's #2 hell yeah I trade down and take 5/6 & 12. I'd go Beal/MKG/Barnes and Rivers/Lamb/Lillard/Miller at 12. It's better than having to pick at #2 between Drummond, MKG, Barnes and Beal.

Yeah I think right now I'd trade down. That no.2 spot is horrible and the dropoff in talent so huge I'm not even sure New Orleans would be interested in that trade. I think they'd have to fall in love with a talent like Drummond for that to happen. I'd take Lamb with the first of NO's picks and take the best PG on the board at 12 and be a lot happier than taking Drummond/MKG/Barnes/TRob/Beal at 2.

[sunny]

I also just want to clear up some of the misinformation about Drummond. Despite the fact he was subpar offensively this year, he was still incredible in terms of his defensive play and impact.

[Marlo Stanfield]

I also just want to clear up some of the misinformation about Drummond. Despite the fact he was subpar offensively this year, he was still incredible in terms of his defensive play and impact.

That's definitely true, and is often overlooked.

[sunny]

even looking at the stats, it holds up pretty well.

Adjusted for pacE:

MKG = 14.7 pts 9.7 rbs per of 21. Drummond = 14.3 pts 10.8 rebounds 3.9 blocks. per of 22

[sunny]

if someone could post the PER''s and pace adjusted stats for the top 8 prospects, it would be much appreciated.

[fredericklove]

I also just want to clear up some of the misinformation about Drummond. Despite the fact he was subpar offensively this year, he was still incredible in terms of his defensive play and impact.

That's definitely true, and is often overlooked.

No wonder why a lot of people mentioned Deandre Jordan as his lowest ceiling, at worst he's a defensive weakside specialist. If his offense shows a miracle light, he won't be a bad pick in the 4-7 range.

[tdotrep2]

I say you gotta take a chance on drummond with the 3rd pick, it's a choice between solid wing players or a serviceable big with insane potential.

[Marlo Stanfield]

I also just want to clear up some of the misinformation about Drummond. Despite the fact he was subpar offensively this year, he was still incredible in terms of his defensive play and impact.

That's definitely true, and is often overlooked.

No wonder why a lot of people mentioned Deandre Jordan as his lowest ceiling, at worst he's a defensive weakside specialist. If his offense shows a miracle light, he won't be a bad pick in the 4-7 range.

I don't think anyone, including me or you, would be mad if we drafted him and hired an excellent big man coach (Hakeem )

[fredericklove]

I don't think anyone, including me or you, would be mad if we drafted him and hired an excellent big man coach (Hakeem )

I think we need 3 coaches. Hakeem for offensive skill teaching, Mourning for rebounding and toughness coaching and Ray Ray for free throw lesson.

Actually I'll be pissed off if we get him but I won't be mad if we get one of Davis, Barnes, Beal, Lamb and MKG. I'd be most happiest if we get Beal cos I can see him replacing Demar in no time

[sunny]

I'm not sure how successful I see Casey at developing offensive prospects but we'll see.

Think of it this way - Marc Gasol played high school basketball in the states and didnt' get any interest from schools. Few years laters of playing overseas, turns into one of the best big men in the game.

These guys are young and have so much time to develop. Drummond could start beasting.

[bongmarley]

For all those saying T. Robinson is too small according to draft express he measures out bigger then Ed Davis

Robinson - 6'10, 240, 7'1 wingspan

Davis - 6'9.75, 227, 7'0 wingspan

[ash_k]

For all those saying T. Robinson is too small according to draft express he measures out bigger then Ed Davis

Robinson - 6'10, 240, 7'1 wingspan

Davis - 6'9.75, 227, 7'0 wingspan

We will wait for the official combine measurements.. He looked about two inches shorter than Henson (or maybe it is just my eyes) and Henson looks like a legit 6'10.

[Los Manos]

I'm not sure how successful I see Casey at developing offensive prospects but we'll see.

Think of it this way - Marc Gasol played high school basketball in the states and didnt' get any interest from schools. Few years laters of playing overseas, turns into one of the best big men in the game.

These guys are young and have so much time to develop. Drummond could start beasting.

If he could at least make free throws I'd be a believer. Even at my most optimistic when I think he's just been poorly used at UConn and that he'll increase his aggression attacking the rim/show better interior passing/lane intimidation/attacking the glass with more purpose etc... even if he does make those big leaps, if he's still shooting so catastrophically poorly then it's all in largely in vein. There are just so many gaping holes in his game that need to be filled in before you even start to develop him into being a dominant player in the NBA.

[SkywalkerAC]

For all those saying T. Robinson is too small according to draft express he measures out bigger then Ed Davis

Robinson - 6'10, 240, 7'1 wingspan

Davis - 6'9.75, 227, 7'0 wingspan

We will wait for the official combine measurements.. He looked about two inches shorter than Henson (or maybe it is just my eyes) and Henson looks like a legit 6'10.

there's no way Henson is only 6'10 in shoes. probably a lot closer to 7' in shoes.

[fredericklove]

I'm not sure how successful I see Casey at developing offensive prospects but we'll see.

Think of it this way - Marc Gasol played high school basketball in the states and didnt' get any interest from schools. Few years laters of playing overseas, turns into one of the best big men in the game.

These guys are young and have so much time to develop. Drummond could start beasting.

If he could at least make free throws I'd be a believer. Even at my most optimistic when I think he's just been poorly used at UConn and that he'll increase his aggression attacking the rim/show better interior passing/lane intimidation/attacking the glass with more purpose etc... even if he does make those big leaps, if he's still shooting so catastrophically poorly then it's all in largely in vein. There are just so many gaping holes in his game that need to be filled in before you even start to develop him into being a dominant player in the NBA.

With that many glaring holes in his game, it's not hard to say he ends up being a 3 to 5 year project, 3 is too generous I say 5 is a minimum. First year str8 sucking, 2nd year developing better basic fundamentals, 3rd year shown flashes of his potential, 4 and 5th year he finally pans out and rises to ...all stardom (not superdom). But these are my optimistic approach of his learning curve while ignoring his signature soft-ass "mentality". If he doesn't pan out, I say he's a 5 year str8 busting while getting only bench minutes as defensive purpose and busting all the way to his retirement.

[Rapsfan07]

I like Barnes but he's just much a wild card as Drummond.

The Raps should have this draft board: Davis, Beal, Drummond, Barnes, Lamb (in that order).

Make a deal for Quincy Miller and deal two of 2013 lotto protected 1st/DeRozan/Bargnani for James Harden + Eric Maynor S&T. In 2013, sign a FA PG then build around Harden, Drummond, Val, Miller, FA PG

...that would be awesome