Nick Young traded to Clippers/McGee to Denver/Nene to DC

[hands11]

Isn't it ironic that Nene is getting paired with Seraphin, we never got an extended look of Seraphin paired with McGee.

And for good reason. McGee is not Nene.

Hey I liked the idea at one point also but I get why they didnt do it. For one, KS was the back up center. Also, KS is just starting to get it rolling. This is a new thing. Not like they had that all year to turn to.

Nene knows where he is supposed to be and the team can count on him being there. That alone changes the entire defense and who you can play along side of him.

[Illuminaire]

Nene also has superior passing skills and range on his jumper.

[DCZards]

Nene also has superior passing skills and range on his jumper.

I've been impressed by Nene's passing skills. Too many centers--Haywood and McGee come to mind--feel like that HAVE to make a play when they get the ball in the post and usually end up forcing a shot up (sometimes against a double team) when they really should have passed it back out to the guard. Now we just have to get some good shooters that Nene can kick the ball back out to.

[closg00]

Isn't it ironic that Nene is getting paired with Seraphin, we never got an extended look of Seraphin paired with McGee.

And for good reason. McGee is not Nene.

Hey I liked the idea at one point also but I get why they didnt do it. For one, KS was the back up center. Also, KS is just starting to get it rolling. This is a new thing. Not like they had that all year to turn to.

Nene knows where he is supposed to be and the team can count on him being there. That alone changes the entire defense and who you can play along side of him.

The roster was the roster and you try different combos to see if they help the team. It should have been tried for a run, it's not like we would have ruined our losing streak.

[Ruzious]

Isn't it ironic that Nene is getting paired with Seraphin, we never got an extended look of Seraphin paired with McGee.

And for good reason. McGee is not Nene.

Hey I liked the idea at one point also but I get why they didnt do it. For one, KS was the back up center. Also, KS is just starting to get it rolling. This is a new thing. Not like they had that all year to turn to.

Nene knows where he is supposed to be and the team can count on him being there. That alone changes the entire defense and who you can play along side of him.

The roster was the roster and you try different combos to see if they help the team. It should have been tried for a run, it's not like we would have ruined our losing streak.

They could have also tried Booker at point guard. That doesn't mean it would have made any sense.

We've talked about it many times when McGee was here. Lack of skill was the reason - and it was a very good reason.

[closg00]

No, lack of imagination is why it was not tried. McGee at Center and Seraphin at PF. If the Wiz can try Vesely at SF and fail (which they did initially), they could have tried McGee at Center and Seraphin at PF. Seraphin has shown that he can do exactly what Nene has done at PF. Not as-well, be he can.

[nate33]

The roster was the roster and you try different combos to see if they help the team. It should have been tried for a run, it's not like we would have ruined our losing streak.

They could have also tried Booker at point guard. That doesn't mean it would have made any sense.

We've talked about it many times when McGee was here. Lack of skill was the reason - and it was a very good reason.

Why don't people get this?

You can't just throw a bunch of big unskilled big guys on the floor and expect to overwhelm the opposition with power. There's a reason why NOBODY does this. Posters on this board are not smarter than all 30 NBA head coaches.

[jivelikenice]

To me this is simple and unarguable. McGee "reportedly" wanted $14 MM per year to stay. Now, that might have been his wish and he may have settled for slightly less but if that is what he asked for I couldn't imagine he'd settle for $10 MM per until he played out his tender. For arguments sake though lets say he said ok to $10 MM per. Would anyone here as gm of the Wizards be ok offering McGee that on a 4-yr deal? Could any one of you actgually say you could responsibly do that based on what you've seen from him to date? CCJ has made the argument that he thinks nobody will offer that much. That's a safe gamble to make when you're not the one at risk of losing an asset for nothing and we'll find out the answer this summer. But with the derth of centers in the NBA I couldn't imagine another coach wouldn't think to himself "I can get more out of Javale". We know GS has interest and you couldn't convince me that Mark Jackson doesn't have the ego to think he can change Javale.

The NBA is all about perception. Javale can be the same player he was here in Denver, but on that stage and in the playoffs his value is up even if all he does is cut out the embarassing moments. Teams will view him as such and will be willing to pay him.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

DCZards, exactly right, which is why this offseason we gotta add top notch shooters especially SF & SG. With passers like Wall & Nene in the lineup, some shooters to spot up are needed to take advantage.

[nate33]

To me this is simple and unarguable. McGee "reportedly" wanted $14 MM per year to stay. Now, that might have been his wish and he may have settled for slightly less but if that is what he asked for I couldn't imagine he'd settle for $10 MM per until he played out his tender. For arguments sake though lets say he said ok to $10 MM per. Would anyone here as gm of the Wizards be ok offering McGee that on a 4-yr deal? Could any one of you actgually say you could responsibly do that based on what you've seen from him to date? CCJ has made the argument that he thinks nobody will offer that much. That's a safe gamble to make when you're not the one at risk of losing an asset for nothing and we'll find out the answer this summer. But with the derth of centers in the NBA I couldn't imagine another coach wouldn't think to himself "I can get more out of Javale". We know GS has interest and you couldn't convince me that Mark Jackson doesn't have the ego to think he can change Javale.

The NBA is all about perception. Javale can be the same player he was here in Denver, but on that stage and in the playoffs his value is up even if all he does is cut out the embarassing moments. Teams will view him as such and will be willing to pay him.

I agree.

I look at it this way: if we had let McGee walk, we have had roughly $18M in cap space this offseason. If I was shopping for a free agent this offseason and I was choosing between:

Ryan Anderson at $11M a year
Batum at $13M a year
McGee at $11M a year
Hawes at $9M a year
Nene at $13M a year

I'd take Nene. The only value I see out there that may be better is Ilyasova if he only costs $8M a year or so. And if that's the case, we can still take the necessary steps (amnesty Lewis or Blatche) to put ourselves in position to sign him.

[Nivek]

You'd take a 30-year old Nene over Anderson, Batum or Hawes? I wouldn't.

[tontoz]

You'd take a 30-year old Nene over Anderson, Batum or Hawes? I wouldn't.

Hawes? Really?

It is no sure thing that we could get Anderson or Batum even if we made a big offer.

[nate33]

You'd take a 30-year old Nene over Anderson, Batum or Hawes? I wouldn't.

Yes. I don't think Batum makes enough impact to get max money. And I worry that Anderson is just a product of playing alongside Dwight Howard. He's a competent player to be sure, but he won't post a PER of 22 while playing in Washington. Spencer Hawes played 3 full seasons posting a PER of 12-13 each year. Suddenly, in just 21 games this year, he posted a PER of 19, most of which was done in a crazy stint of productivity over the first 6 games of the season. He has been the same ordinary player from his 7th game onward.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

The roster was the roster and you try different combos to see if they help the team. It should have been tried for a run, it's not like we would have ruined our losing streak.

They could have also tried Booker at point guard. That doesn't mean it would have made any sense.

We've talked about it many times when McGee was here. Lack of skill was the reason - and it was a very good reason.

Why don't people get this?

You can't just throw a bunch of big unskilled big guys on the floor and expect to overwhelm the opposition with power. There's a reason why NOBODY does this. Posters on this board are not smarter than all 30 NBA head coaches.

Why do you confuse skill with experience? Kevin Seraphin is quite skilled. He's made a lot of nice shots. He has shown he can pass the ball. He has quick feet which help him on offense to get to a spot and on defense, to prevent others from getting to a spot. He is hardly unskilled. Seraphin has shown quite a bit of skill as a defender. He defends C as well or better than Nene. McGee is not a power player. He is actually a skilled rebounder and shot blocker who has very good hands.

I agree with closg00, the reason it wasn't tried is due to lack of imagination. Seraphin with McGee is just as skilled, if not more so than Faried with McGee.

Seraphin wasn't tried with Booker because the Wizards had Booker and Vesely playing PF. Before Javale was traded most of the time they also had either Rashard Lewis and/or Andray Blatche active and playing PF a lot, too. The Wizard coach still plays Vesely more minutes than Seraphin.

Don't tell me all coaches are smart, nate. They clearly all aren't.

[Zonkerbl]

But I would certainly would rather have had Anderson in particular than Nene.

[miller31time]

But I would certainly would rather have had Anderson in particular than Nene.

Me too, but he's not going to be available to sign anyway (and if he was available, we'd still have the flexibility to pursue him), so it's a moot point.

[Nivek]

I would rather take a shot with one of those youngsters than pay Nene $13 million each year at ages 32 and 33. Even if those younger players isn't all we hope they'll be, I suspect they'll be come closer to being worth the money than Nene in 2015 and 2016.

[tontoz]

Why do you confuse skill with experience? Kevin Seraphin is quite skilled. He's made a lot of nice shots. He has shown he can pass the ball. He has quick feet which help him on offense to get to a spot and on defense, to prevent others from getting to a spot. He is hardly unskilled. Seraphin has shown quite a bit of skill as a defender. He defends C as well or better than Nene. McGee is not a power player. He is actually a skilled rebounder and shot blocker who has very good hands.

I agree that people still aren't giving Seraphin enough credit for the skills he has. However i don't want either Seraphin or Mcgee trying to guard guys like Josh Smith, Ryan Anderson etc. Maybe it would have worked against teams like the Bulls or Portland.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

But I would certainly would rather have had Anderson in particular than Nene.

+1

I was going to post the same thing but you beat me to it, Zonker. Anderson's three-point shooting is just what a team with a great penetrating PG needs. Anderson is still 23 years old.

[montestewart]

You'd take a 30-year old Nene over Anderson, Batum or Hawes? I wouldn't.

Hawes? Really?

It is no sure thing that we could get Anderson or Batum even if we made a big offer.

And that's a key to that trade. Wizards got rid of all their starters (and some top reserves too) over the previous two years, and now are cutting bait on top players they hoped could replace them. They've gotten few replacements back in these deaccessions, and most of us think the Wizards rep and roster would discourage top FAs from signing here. Would Nene have signed here as a FA? Would you?

I'd prefer Anderson or Batum to Nene, but what are the odds either of them sign here? I wonder about Gordon and others as well. If the Wizards trade some combination of Crawford/Singleton/Vesely/pick/etc for a more useful veteran two-way wing to go with Nene/Seraphin/Booker/Wall and their 2012 picks (maybe even trading down if they don't get Davis), a competitive team might begin to take shape, and then might be more attractive as a FA destination.