Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 9

[Laowai]

Think Drummond is the only other player with similar potential but a huge risk of being a bust.
Lamb & Drummond both under preformed on a bad Uconn team.

[fredericklove]

Think Drummond is the only other player with similar potential but a huge risk of being a bust.
Lamb & Drummond both under preformed on a bad Uconn team.

Drummond was supposed to be at where Davis is today - the fame, the praise and the elite impact - Drummond got zero. Absolute zero.

[Waylon Mercy]

So many times over the years NBA GM's and scouts completely misread an elite wing
prospect and he inexcusably slips in the draft or they have him rated lower then he should be for whatever reason. Its like they psych themselves out on a guy and exaggerate the so
called red flags of that prospect.

1998 - Paul Pierce #10
2004 - Andre Iguodola #9
2005 - Danny Granger #17
2006 - Rudy Gay #8

Hasn't happened in awhile but it seems like that mistake is gonna be made on Jeremy Lamb
who has the skillset and height you'd want from your SG. Him going anyhwere outside of the
top 10 is comical and if he does get picked outside the top 10 someone is gonna find
themselves a steal.

As for Anthony Davis he reminds me of a more athletic Duncan with the difference being the
post game but i've seen some inprovement in that area.

I think Beal has the upside of a multiple time All-Star and Drummond is still only a freshman
and a true center that the NBA lacks and could be a future All-Star. I also think Robinson
has All-Star talent but in a league with a lot of talented PF's it might be hard to become one.
Perry Jones is extremely talented but is a classic tweener and usually tweeners
don't materialize. McAdoo didn't play much because of Henson but showed potential of being
a beast

When its all said and done I think this draft produces 1 HOF'er, 1 MVP, 3-5 All-Stars, 2 All-
NBA frst team, 1 DPOY, 3 All-NBA defensive members, and 3 or 4... 20+ ppg scorers.

[fredericklove]

8-)

LOL Portland takes both Zellers in this scenario. Portland would burn on draft night if that were to occur.

If Portland still covets that big that they were robbed of, maybe a draft night deal could be arranged between Tor and Port, ie, if we get 4th, and ahead of NJ pick, take Drummond and deal him to Portland for their 2 firsts - provided they don't fall too far behind as I want Beal as the main piece. Kleiza could be used as a sweetener.

A drummond for 2 lottery picks......., you think Blazers are dumb lol? And no, we are not drafting Drummond. No way BC risk his final year putting his hope in the hands of this kid, I don't think he wanna lose his job.

[edquantum]

The talent gap between Anthony Davis and the rest of the lottery is monumental.

Anthony Davis looks like the real deal & a rare franchise player.

We'll see in 3 years.

[fredericklove]

Thomas Robinson and Tyshawn Taylor in the NCAA final, as I said the best PG in the draft.

The best PG in the draft...ok...

[Marvin!]

OK, there's no need to talk about Robinson or Sullinger here... it's highly unlikely that we come out of the draft with either of them. We're taking a wing player or Davis... let's just talk about those guys..

that's a big assumption. and who died and made you boss of what people can talk about in this thread?

[Section 312]

When its all said and done I think this draft produces 1 HOF'er, 1 MVP, 3-5 All-Stars, 2 All-NBA frst team, 1 DPOY, 3 All-NBA defensive members, and 3 or 4... 20+ ppg scorers.

If the Raptors hit the trifecta with a HOFer (Anthony Davis), I'll be finally watching some May/June basketball at the ACC.

Otherwise, I'd still be thrilled with some all-NBA first team talent. I don't see it right now, but who knows?!

[Waylon Mercy]

When its all said and done I think this draft produces 1 HOF'er, 1 MVP, 3-5 All-Stars, 2 All-NBA frst team, 1 DPOY, 3 All-NBA defensive members, and 3 or 4... 20+ ppg scorers.

If the Raptors hit the trifecta with a HOFer (Anthony Davis), I'll be finally watching some May/June basketball at the ACC.

Otherwise, I'd still be thrilled with some all-NBA first team talent. I don't see it right now, but who knows?!

Don't get thrown off by what guys do in College... Different game look at skillsets, size,
motor and how they were scouted in high school. How they play in College does have some value (Awards, School power, level of competition) so many times guys are over valued or under valued because of their college career.

[CunningLinguist]

Man, I'm starting to really warm up to Jeremy Lamb with all these glaring holes from MKG.

I still think Lamb is the best wing player in this draft and may have the most offensive potential of anyone.

By the way, do you now see where I was coming from with my criticism of MKG? He had at least 5 offensive fouls in the last two games trying to attack the basket in traffic. The only reason he had any success at it in the Baylor game is that Perry Jones is a human pylon. He's going to have to develop a stop and pop midrange game at the next level.

[dbenalal]

don't know why we're getting excited in here..I think it's pretty obvious that charlotte is getting anthony davis...they really suck that much

[mango2209]

Would you guys be upset if we get 5th or 6th pick, beal and mkg are both gone and we pick lamb over Barnes and maybe Drummond?

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[The Duke]

Thomas Robinson and Tyshawn Taylor in the NCAA final, as I said the best PG in the draft.

I've been a big fan of Tyshawn this year, been watching him the entire 2nd half of the season and them them in the finals when making my bracket.
I dont think he is the best PG in the draft, but I think he can be a very servicable one, if he can control his crazyiness. Sounds crazy but sitting behind Jose/Nash would do wonders for him.

I would not be opposed to trading up in the 2nd and getting him late in the 1st.

Elija Johnson really had a solid game yesterday, and sorta carried the guard play for Kansas tho.

[sanity]

don't know why we're getting excited in here..I think it's pretty obvious that charlotte is getting anthony davis...they really suck that much

The #1 pick isn't a surefire guarantee for the team that finishes dead last, but yeah... they do have the highest chance to get him via ping pong balls.

It is also unlikely we could trade with them for their pick. I don't see why they would want any of our bigs over just getting Davis for themselves or anyone else on our roster

[Man of Steel]

Would you guys be upset if we get 5th or 6th pick, beal and mkg are both gone and we pick lamb over Barnes and maybe Drummond?

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I wouldn't mind. From what I've seen, the only thing Barnes does better than Lamb is defend (he has a size advantage being more muscular). Drummond I'd have to think twice about because Big men with that much upside don't come along so often but at the end of the day, I'd be happy with Lamb or Drummond at 5/6. Wouldn't mind Barnes either but I'm not quite sold on the argument that he will look better in the NBA.

[ash_k]

When its all said and done I think this draft produces 1 HOF'er, 1 MVP, 3-5 All-Stars, 2 All-
NBA frst team, 1 DPOY, 3 All-NBA defensive members, and 3 or 4... 20+ ppg scorers.

Who are those 3-5 potential All- Star you are referring too?
This sounds way too optimistic.

For Now Davis is closer to UMass' Marcus Camby than anyone else ( will wait to see how strong he gets before talking about The Dream, Duncan,KG in the same breath)

Marcus Camby was DPOY, so that fills your "1 DPOY"
Who are your 3 All-NBA defensive team in this year draft? (AD included)
This sounds way too optimistic too.

[_Choco_]

8-)

LOL Portland takes both Zellers in this scenario. Portland would burn on draft night if that were to occur.

If Portland still covets that big that they were robbed of, maybe a draft night deal could be arranged between Tor and Port, ie, if we get 4th, and ahead of NJ pick, take Drummond and deal him to Portland for their 2 firsts - provided they don't fall too far behind as I want Beal as the main piece. Kleiza could be used as a sweetener.

A drummond for 2 lottery picks......., you think Blazers are dumb lol? And no, we are not drafting Drummond. No way BC risk his final year putting his hope in the hands of this kid, I don't think he wanna lose his job.

Do I think that Portland is that dumb? Yes. They clung to Oden for years and only recently let him go. I interpret that as a team that is still seeking a talented big.

Btw, you left out Kleiza

[Salted Meat]

If Portland agreed to that, I'd draft Beal and Lamb and run.

Beal
Lamb
DeRozan
Bargnani
Valanciunas

[Undefeated]

Is there any way Beal could be a 1 in the NBA?

I personally think he could, he can fit into any style you want. Just like he did in gator as a "SF" but of cos on a college level SF. But he can be a really good combo guard at 1, and he's good at attacking/passing, which are good assets for the 1, especially this position allows him to get the ball in his hand alot (what's not to like about that). And he has the quickness and footwork to guard the 1 too.

Being the 1 at Casey's system is really not that much of a big difference, its emphasize so much on ball movement thru p&r/screens, Beal can just bring the ball up, swing it around in early shot clock, or be the facilitator like he often does in gator system. Beal's so good at operating near the top of the key, that's pretty much what point guards do anyways. Instead of limiting Beal's minutes on the bench, why not have him play at 1? So we can keep Demar at 2 and whoever at 3. That's unless we're going to get a free agent point guard, if not, play Beal at the 1.

I think Beal could play PG in spurt minutes, but quite unsure if he can handle the burden with starting minutes. It's kind of expected that the SG should be able to play as a secondary ball-handler, bring the ball up and initiate the offensive sets when the primary ball-handler is being pressured. Beal is a smart passer. He'll be able to spot his teammates racing down the floor and hit them with a perfect bounce pass beating every defender, swing the ball around the perimeter, a little bit of dribble hand-off action, draw-and-kick, or the drop-off pass down low to a big standing underneath the basket when he draws the help defender as he penetrates down the middle. However, Beal isn't a creative or imaginative passer meaning he can't imagine space knowing exactly which teammates will make themselves open as a target for a pass. He doesn't have that intangible where his teammates have to catch up to his action.

[JamesNaismith]

If Portland agreed to that, I'd draft Beal and Lamb and run.

Beal
Lamb
DeRozan
Bargnani
Valanciunas

That would be an AMAZING draft for us!

BUT.....

1. I bet Beal is gone in the top 7, so there is a chance that we could get him with that NJ pick BUT if he drops out the top 5 it will be because LAMB got into it.

2. Ford is a moron when he keeps putting Lamb out of the top 10, teams are going to nut at the combine when he's the best ballhandler and shooter there....then not to mention remember that he has ape arms. I wouldn't be surprised if during the combine that his hype went crazy.