Nick Young traded to Clippers/McGee to Denver/Nene to DC

[nate33]

On the season Seraphin has the best +/- on the team, by far.

Exactly.

Single game +/- numbers are generally meaningless. But a season-long trend is worth noting.

[Zonkerbl]

Well, it looks like McGee has yet to post a positive +- with the Nuggets, iirc.

[Nivek]

For me at least, the issue with the trade was not giving up McGee. It was taking on 4 more years at $13 million per of a guy a few months shy of his 30th birthday. Nene should be okay for the next couple years. The last couple are a crap-shoot.

[closg00]

For me at least, the issue with the trade was not giving up McGee. It was taking on 4 more years at $13 million per of a guy a few months shy of his 30th birthday. Nene should be okay for the next couple years. The last couple are a crap-shoot.

You could say that the crapshoot started immediately, Nene (as we were warned), sat injured within a few games. It remains to be seen how-much of him we are going to see of him on the court over the next four years.

[nate33]

For me at least, the issue with the trade was not giving up McGee. It was taking on 4 more years at $13 million per of a guy a few months shy of his 30th birthday. Nene should be okay for the next couple years. The last couple are a crap-shoot.

You could say that the crapshoot started immediately, Nene (as we were warned), sat injured within a few games. It remains to be seen how-much of him we are going to see of him on the court over the next four years.

My guess is that Nene could be playing if we really wanted him to. There's no sense running him down when the games are meaningless and tanking helps us more than winning.

[Nivek]

I agree nate. When I heard Booker was playing with pain in his foot, I thought the same thing.

[hands11]

For me at least, the issue with the trade was not giving up McGee. It was taking on 4 more years at $13 million per of a guy a few months shy of his 30th birthday. Nene should be okay for the next couple years. The last couple are a crap-shoot.

You could say that the crapshoot started immediately, Nene (as we were warned), sat injured within a few games. It remains to be seen how-much of him we are going to see of him on the court over the next four years.

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/1713/nene
He missed 12 games in 3 years.

[closg00]

For me at least, the issue with the trade was not giving up McGee. It was taking on 4 more years at $13 million per of a guy a few months shy of his 30th birthday. Nene should be okay for the next couple years. The last couple are a crap-shoot.

You could say that the crapshoot started immediately, Nene (as we were warned), sat injured within a few games. It remains to be seen how-much of him we are going to see of him on the court over the next four years.

My guess is that Nene could be playing if we really wanted him to. There's no sense running him down when the games are meaningless and tanking helps us more than winning.

Prior to the trade, Nene had not played in 15 games this shortened season for Denver. Post-trade, Nene played three games then was out with injury, then another 3 games then out for the past 5 games. I hope this trend does not start again next season.

[tontoz]

Nick is laying an egg with the Clippers. He might not even get an MLE deal this summer the way he is going.

[hands11]

Nick is laying an egg with the Clippers. He might not even get an MLE deal this summer the way he is going.

Personalty, I am not conceding McGee gets D Jordon type money either. I wouldnt sing him for more then 6M a year.

These two getting traded out of their Wizards baby crib has to be a rued awakening. I have watched a few of the McGee games and you can just see the stupid oozing from his ears as he runs up and down the court sucking air. He actually looked smarter as a Wizard. lol

He could still end up being a good player in 2-3 years but man does he have a lot of growing up to do first. And he needs butt implants. Some surgeon needs to stick a couple of five pound weights into each of his cheeks.

I'm very happy they are no longer Wizards. I don't mind that we keep them when we did. Both have talent but they didn't reach their potential. They would rather be stupid and plank in freezers.

[TGW]

http://deadspin.com/5900081/javale-mcge ... o-his-face

The "WTF" show continues...

[nate33]

Nick is laying an egg with the Clippers. He might not even get an MLE deal this summer the way he is going.

Personalty, I am not conceding McGee gets D Jordon type money either. I wouldnt sing him for more then 6M a year.

What's depressing is that he would have gotten D Jordan type money if we never traded him. He was posting real good numbers here and always seemed on the verge of "turning the corner". It's the curse of being on a crappy team. Every half decent player looks pretty good. It makes it hard to retain players on bargain contracts.

Now that McGee has moved to Denver, it's much easier to see that you can't win with a guy like McGee unless he makes substantial changes. The trade probably cost McGee about $4M a year on his next contract - money saved by Denver, but never really an option to be saved by Washington.

(Caveat: I think after seeing the weak contract offers for him, the odds are pretty high that McGee will take the qualifying offer a la Nick Young.)

[hands11]

A agree Nate

Keeping players like that around does lend to signing them for to much. I also leads to a team staying crappy because you have players who think they are better then they actually are and the dont learn how to play playoff winning basketball. At least they didnt do that. They got Nick 1 more year for the QO so they didnt get stuck and they used him and McGee to get Nene.

Thats the way you want to do it. They made out both ways. They had them here to secure one more tank year while giving them minutes so some other team might see their numbers and want to take them.

And now they aren't even playing Nene to make sure they secure a top 5 pick. Maybe higher.

Both Nick and McGee have a lot of growing up to do, while we added a player that is already grown up and who can play NBA playoff style of ball. Great move for the franchise. They finally started to assemble after spending all their time weeding the garden and planting seeds. Nene is no seed, he is an actual tree. Should be interesting to see what happens next.

[Rafael122]

McGee is a lost cause. If he doesn't get it with a great coach like George Karl he's not going to get it with anyone else. Maybe Pop? But then again, they wouldn't sign him.

[MF23]

If you expected McGee to start focusing consistently this season I've got to wonder have you ever watched him? It's not happening this year and probably not next year. He has to learn how to focus in a game which he's never displayed in a way that a coach would trust him. 2 or 3 yrs from now I think you'll see it but not now.

Oh yeah Nick Young being Nick Young. Great video here as usual from these guys. This is just a perfect example of why Nick Young is so annoying. Man It's embarrassing to admit I said Randy Foye would be an allstar in the NBA. He's never played for anyone who I would consider a good coach but still you should at least attempt the game plan. I really have got to wonder what's going on in Foye's head because he should have been a better player than he has during his career.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=of27zXyqECo&feature=plcp&context=C4be6ceeVDvjVQa1PpcFNSGoghozBwC_JTV9BCbvmvNqU_FM02Ccw%3D[/youtube]

I've had this discussion with people and the consensus is Blake Griffin isn't a good basketball player. He's such a freak that he's horrible offensively but he's effective. The good thing about Griffin is that he seems to be the type that will figure out how to play soon.

[hands11]

McGee is a lost cause. If he doesn't get it with a great coach like George Karl he's not going to get it with anyone else. Maybe Pop? But then again, they wouldn't sign him.

He doesnt have much more time to show something. It will be really interesting to see what they offer him and if he stays or goes some place else.

[Jay81]

Blake griffen is one Gilbert torn minescus from being an average nba player

[dobrojim]

For me at least, the issue with the trade was not giving up McGee. It was taking on 4 more years at $13 million per of a guy a few months shy of his 30th birthday. Nene should be okay for the next couple years. The last couple are a crap-shoot.

You could say that the crapshoot started immediately, Nene (as we were warned), sat injured within a few games. It remains to be seen how-much of him we are going to see of him on the court over the next four years.

I think it's within the realm of possibility that the 'zards are in
no hurry to rush Nene back from this 'injury'.

edit to add - as Nate/Kev pointed out

[closg00]

Sure^^, I certainly hope that they keep Nene out for the rest of the season.

[fishercob]

Something to keep in mind when fretting about the last couple of years of Nene's deal:

The stretch provision is a new rule for paying the player guaranteed salary after he is waived, and for how the team’s cap is charged in these circumstances. Under the previous CBA, when a team waives a player, his remaining guaranteed salary continues to be charged to the team’s cap in the same years as the original contract. If they arranged for a different amount to be paid via a buyout, then the buyout amount is charged against the team’s cap. If they arranged a different payment schedule (even a lump-sum payoff of the entire amount) it didn’t matter, because it was still charged to the cap in the same years as the original contract.

With the stretch provision the salary is paid off over a longer period of time — twice the number of years, plus one. So if a player is waived with two years remaining, his remaining guaranteed salary is paid off over five years. If the player is waived Sept 1 or later, then the current season is paid normally, and any subsequent years are stretched.

If the salary is stretched, the team can elect to have the cap hit stretched as well. So, for example, if a player is waived with $20 million remaining over the next two years ($10 million per season), the stretch provision could make it $20 million over five years ($4 million per season) instead. That’s a lot of money off the team’s cap in the short term, and teams might be able to utilize that money on free agents.

But here’s the big catch, and the reason you don’t hear people talk about it very much — it applies only to contracts signed under the current CBA — i.e., signed December 2011 or later. Any contracts signed under the previous CBA can’t be stretched.

We’ll be hearing more about the strategic uses of the stretch provision after another season or two, when more contracts are signed under the current CBA.