Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 10

Kevin Willis · Post #1241 » by **Kevin Willis** » Mon Apr 9, 2012 7:35 pm

Tony Mitchell and Trey Burke not coming out. That's dissapointing, especially Tony Mitchell for me. Don't know how much his game will improve in a year. He will dominate his conference a little bit more but he's now competing against the Shabazz, Saric, McAdoo on the wings.

notic519 · Post #1242 » by **notic519** » Mon Apr 9, 2012 7:36 pm

No idea what the fascination is with Lamb. I guess I'm in the minority but I would take PJ3 over Lamb any day of the week.

fredericklove · Post #1243 » by **fredericklove** » Mon Apr 9, 2012 7:38 pm

I just finished watching the Nike Hoop Summit, if Bazz, Wiggins and Saric were to be in 2012 draft, where would you guys put them on the board?

I say Bazz is unanimously 2nd pick, Wiggins go 5-6 and Saric goes 6-10 range.

And if all have to choose a college system, which system best fit their style?

Bazz I say he fits the uptempo style of Kentucky, he's best when he's attacking, if he goes to duke he'll have to play within the system which limits his scoring ability, and one thing I don't like about Bazz is he doesn't pass, and ballhogs quite alot.

Wiggins' all around ability should fit any system other than UNC (not the best system for wing players), I say he fits Baylor due to his length and athleticism. and Saric should fit in Duke due to his all around play (shooting, playmaking, and rebounding) he'll playmake and spot the shooters easily.

Al_Oliver · Post #1244 » by **Al_Oliver** » Mon Apr 9, 2012 7:40 pm

Young_Buc wrote:It's hard to look at UConn this year and effectively grade their prospects. That team has been a complete mess.

I think that with the right coaching, both Lamb and Drummond would have gone top 3 this year.

If Drummond and not Davis was Cal's recruit this year, I think he's the number one pick hands down. I think a coach/mentor can make a world of difference with big talent, low motivation players. See: Andrew Bynum, Vince Carter.

so effort is on the coach and not the player? interesting theory

fredericklove · Post #1245 » by **fredericklove** » Mon Apr 9, 2012 7:41 pm

Al_Oliver wrote:
Young_Buc wrote:It's hard to look at UConn this year and effectively grade their prospects. That team has been a complete mess.

I think that with the right coaching, both Lamb and Drummond would have gone top 3 this year.

If Drummond and not Davis was Cal's recruit this year, I think he's the number one pick hands down. I think a coach/mentor can make a world of difference with big talent, low motivation players. See: Andrew Bynum, Vince Carter.

so effort is on the coach and not the player? interesting theory

Last I've heard Calhoun was a pretty good coach.

Dr Positivity · Post #1246 » by **Dr Positivity** » Mon Apr 9, 2012 7:43 pm

I actually think Bargnani's ability to guard Cs, makes drafting any PF not an issue. You can roll out equal amounts of Bargnani/JVal, PJIII/JVal and PJIII/Bargnani next year. We probably don't even want PJIII or JVal to get more than 25mpg anyways, so that leaves room for an Amir too

As for the SF thing, I have my doubts but there'd be plenty of oppurtunity to try him out there

Long term there may have to be a decision made between PJIII, Bargnani and JVal (who the starters are), but that's probably 2 full seasons away from being any kind of issue, and it's only a problem which if both PJIII and JVal are awesome. In which case it's a good problem to have anyways. I don't think it's a problem long term of PJIII and JVal are both so good that Bargnani becomes the permanent 6th man, or just someone to trade.

Man of Steel · Post #1247 » by **Man of Steel** » Mon Apr 9, 2012 7:47 pm

fredericklove wrote:I just finished watching the Nike Hoop Summit, if Bazz, Wiggins and Saric were to be in 2012 draft, where would you guys put them on the board?

I say Bazz is unanimously 2nd pick, Wiggins go 5-6 and Saric goes 6-10 range.

And if all have to choose a college system, which system best fit their style?

Bazz I say he fits the uptempo style of Kentucky, he's best when he's attacking, if he goes to duke he'll have to play within the system which limits his scoring ability, and one thing I don't like about Bazz is he doesn't pass, and ballhogs quite alot.

Wiggins' all around ability should fit any system other than UNC (not the best system for wing players), I say he fits Baylor due to his length and athleticism. and Saric should fit in Duke due to his all around play (shooting, playmaking, and rebounding) he'll playmake and spot the shooters easily.

I think he'll work out better (being a ballhog) at Duke than Kentucky. Kentucky did so well this year because they shared the ball even with a plethora of talented players in a 1v1 situation. Duke isn't exactly the best for ballhogs either but Rivers wasn't terrible.

Post #1248 » by **Undefeated** » Mon Apr 9, 2012 7:48 pm

Wow, PJ3 over Jeremy Lamb? My god. The offense basically ran through PJ3. He looked absolutely terrible and put up less than impressive numbers at the same time. In contrast, Lamb played with two ball-hogging Guards, and still managed to post better numbers across the board.

fredericklove · Post #1249 » by **fredericklove** » Mon Apr 9, 2012 7:53 pm

notic519 wrote:No idea what the fascination is with Lamb. I guess I'm in the minority but I would take PJ3 over Lamb any day of the week.

Lamb's shooting guard skillset is outstanding, he can spot up or pull up, he can run through screens/curl off screens to get the shots off, he can create off the dribble, and he can iso really well, whereas PJ3's game fits where, the 4 or the 3?

PJ3 is not the best rebounder despite his length at PF position (but he'll get outmuscle, he doesn't have the postup skills or off-the dribble 1-on-1 ability against the 4...but he'll have to face the 4 cos that's most likely his NBA position, and he's not laterally quick enough against the 3s, his handle is good for the 4 but he rarely shows much in the perimeter so I hardly doubt he'll flourish as a 3.

Lamb has that swagger and confidence that he'll look to score and humiliate his defender. But for PJ3 its not just his tweener style but he doesn't look to dominate or destroy his defender, So I don't know what the fascination is with PJ3 from some of you guys.

Man of Steel · Post #1250 » by **Man of Steel** » Mon Apr 9, 2012 8:03 pm

Yeah the hype of PJ3, Drummond, and Barnes to a much lesser extent, have decreased now that people have realized they relied more on their athletic tools to dominate early on, but couldn't keep it up in college let alone NBA. I'm sure at least one of them will end up having a good career but your guess is as good as any in determining which one it may be.

jeremylinMVP · Post #1251 » by **jeremylinMVP** » Mon Apr 9, 2012 8:06 pm

tank for wiggins...

fatal9 · Post #1252 » by **fatal9** » Mon Apr 9, 2012 8:17 pm

Had a dream I was watching the lottery in the ACC and the Raptors ended up getting 9th. Entire place was all like:

Forgot who won though.

And no thanks to drafting a tweener. How many busts is it going to take for people to learn?

JamesNaismith · Post #1253 » by **JamesNaismith** » Mon Apr 9, 2012 8:28 pm

Undefeated wrote:Wow, PJ3 over Jeremy Lamb? My god. The offense basically ran through PJ3. He looked absolutely terrible and put up less than impressive numbers at the same time. In contrast, Lamb played with two ball-hogging Guards, and still managed to post better numbers across the board.

Not just better numbers but let me write this again for the whole board (not directed at you)....

Lamb was the TOP scoring wing prospect in this draft

Think how immense his talent is if people say he's "passive" yet is the BEST scoring one.

Marlo Stanfield · Post #1254 » by **Marlo Stanfield** » Mon Apr 9, 2012 8:47 pm

Jeremy Lamb is Rudy Gay all over again. He's going to drop, and whoever picks him up will have a HUGE steal. These two could not be any more alike aside from the fact that one plays SG and the other is a SF.

SkywalkerAC · Post #1255 » by **SkywalkerAC** » Mon Apr 9, 2012 9:21 pm

I really wanted Gay and have been pining over that kind of wing athlete since Vinsanity. Lamb isn't quite the freak athlete that Gay is but he does seem to be a quality freak in his own right. He may be a tad on the frail side but guards on the freakishly long end of the spectrum always have a major advantage, on both ends but especially defensively. Prince, Batum, Rondo, Reggie, even Barbosa - pretty skinny bunch but they're going to get a hand in your face.

PJ3 might be an option but not if Lamb is there IMO. A big factor for Perry will be whether Casey and co believe him to have legitimate two-way potential a versatile player that can cover the three and the four. I don't really see it but you never know. He's got some skills and is pretty impressive athletically but unless he works as a power swing that can exploit the mismatch rather than be exploited, I don't see how we could be interested.

DreamTeam09 · Post #1256 » by **DreamTeam09** » Mon Apr 9, 2012 9:26 pm

If not Barnes pretty sure we draft Lamb so I don't see him falling past us.

cdel00 · Post #1257 » by **cdel00** » Mon Apr 9, 2012 9:51 pm

FluLikeSymptoms wrote:
dagger wrote:Most people have never seen 30 seconds of Damian Lillard play, so they might as well STFU and let the general managers sort out where he belongs.

No sweat I have seen him play you can take my word the kid is the real deal

phailing101 · Post #1258 » by **phailing101** » Mon Apr 9, 2012 10:00 pm

There is no way Drummond will fall out of the top 5.

A guy like him will shine in all pre-draft workouts and have outstanding measurables. I would put money on him going 3-4 pending how much the team wants MKG.

Regardless, that means we should have a shot at Lamb/Beal/Barnes at 6-7.......if we get screwed and fall further, I'm all in on Sullinger.

Twoism · Post #1259 » by **Twoism** » Mon Apr 9, 2012 10:15 pm

Why draft.net is stucked with Moultrie on Detroit, he could be really picked over Sullinger?

sunny · Post #1260 » by **sunny** » Mon Apr 9, 2012 10:23 pm

fredericklove wrote:I just finished watching the Nike Hoop Summit, if Bazz, Wiggins and Saric were to be in 2012 draft, where would you guys put them on the board?

I say Bazz is unanimously 2nd pick, Wiggins go 5-6 and Saric goes 6-10 range.

And if all have to choose a college system, which system best fit their style?

Bazz I say he fits the uptempo style of Kentucky, he's best when he's attacking, if he goes to duke he'll have to play within the system which limits his scoring ability, and one thing I don't like about Bazz is he doesn't pass, and ballhogs quite alot.

Wiggins' all around ability should fit any system other than UNC (not the best system for wing players), I say he fits Baylor due to his length and athleticism. and Saric should fit in Duke due to his all around play (shooting, playmaking, and rebounding) he'll playmake and spot the shooters easily.

Don't know enough about Saric. Bazz at this point would go behind Davis however it is hard to say. Keep in mind, if Drummond never reclassified he would have been talked about as the number 1 pick, so that year of college is very important to see. Wiggins would most likely be the number one pick, however its way too early to make that sort of claim with any credence.

Bazz is picking UCLA for a reason. He knows his game better than us. Regardless of that, I don't think Bazz's game would mix up with Kentucky at all as he is ball dominant and plays a pro style of game.

If Anthony Davis goes #1 and the Raps get the # 2 pick, who gets drafted?