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Game #58: Orlando Magic(34-23) @ Washington Wizards(13-44)

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Re: Game #58: Orlando Magic(34-23) @ Washington Wizards(13-4 

Post#581 » by ChildishGambino » Wed Apr 11, 2012 1:59 am

Reverse_Angle wrote:Earl is such a disappointment, he is the worse defender we got. I am not kidding. I have never seen even hedo or jrich to loose his man or mix up rotations like that. If he can not even do that, what good is he?

we can not lose games like this man, we just can not.

i kinda feel that way as well....it seems every time i see him the worse he looks to me...sure he had a few blocks but it didn't really affect the outcome of the game....to me he's just out there shooting jumpers...if Earl is going to do just that why play him and not Harper? At least Harper can hit those jumpers......
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Re: Game #58: Orlando Magic(34-23) @ Washington Wizards(13-4 

Post#582 » by IGotDaMagicInMe » Wed Apr 11, 2012 1:59 am

ChildishGambino wrote:it's kinda sad to know that Ish will probably be back to the bench real soon maybe Friday......Tonight while Ish may had a few miscues he imo was more of a point guard than Nelson was....Ish knows how to read the flow of the game...when to be aggressive...when to be passive.....He reminds me a lot of Skip in that sense....He may not be the shooter that Duhon is but Ish is more of the true point guard we need in our pick and roll offense.....

Wish i could see him play with Dwight though.....i can imagine a Ish/Dwight pick and roll where the defender can't leave Howard but can't stay in front of Ish because he's so fast.....that could cause some damage....but it will probably never come to fruition....because this is Stan we're talking about....

The same Stan we have now basically watched Rafer "Skip to ma lou" Alston help lead our team to the finals only to be benched for Jameer for some reason i stil don't understand.....Stan is so set on who he thinks should be playing that at times it hurts the team....


exactly, we don't even need another shooter anyway. Honestly, I think we should be giving liggins a lot of time too because while he isn't as good offensivly as j rich/jj, he brings a lot of things to the table we lack and I feel like its more important to have players on the floor that are good at something other than shooting. We need a good wing defender out there as much as possible
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Re: Game #58: Orlando Magic(34-23) @ Washington Wizards(13-4 

Post#583 » by Nemesis21 » Wed Apr 11, 2012 2:00 am

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Last Guardian wrote:They said they'd play Von Wafer for an offensive boost....and they never did. This coaching staff....they make adjustments in their head but forget to do it on the court.
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Re: Game #58: Orlando Magic(34-23) @ Washington Wizards(13-4 

Post#584 » by ChosenSavior » Wed Apr 11, 2012 2:00 am

ChildishGambino wrote:it's kinda sad to know that Ish will probably be back to the bench real soon maybe Friday......Tonight while Ish may had a few miscues he imo was more of a point guard than Nelson was....Ish knows how to read the flow of the game...when to be aggressive...when to be passive.....He reminds me a lot of Skip in that sense....He may not be the shooter that Duhon is but Ish is more of the true point guard we need in our pick and roll offense.....

Wish i could see him play with Dwight though.....i can imagine a Ish/Dwight pick and roll where the defender can't leave Howard but can't stay in front of Ish because he's so fast.....that could cause some damage....but it will probably never come to fruition....because this is Stan we're talking about....

The same Stan we have now basically watched Rafer "Skip to ma lou" Alston help lead our team to the finals only to be benched for Jameer for some reason i stil don't understand.....Stan is so set on who he thinks should be playing that at times it hurts the team....


What gives you that thought that will happen? Did Stan say this will happen or this is just your hunch?
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Re: Game #58: Orlando Magic(34-23) @ Washington Wizards(13-4 

Post#585 » by ChosenSavior » Wed Apr 11, 2012 2:02 am

Reverse_Angle wrote:Earl is such a disappointment, he is the worse defender we got. I am not kidding. I have never seen even hedo or jrich to loose his man or mix up rotations like that. If he can not even do that, what good is he?

we can not lose games like this man, we just can not.


Yeah Earl is pretty awful and really dumb on both ends of the floor. He has natural athleticism, but it does not seem he knows how to put it all together.
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Re: Game #58: Orlando Magic(34-23) @ Washington Wizards(13-4 

Post#586 » by OrlandO » Wed Apr 11, 2012 2:09 am

I wouldn't mind Earl if he didn't take jumpshots...
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Re: Game #58: Orlando Magic(34-23) @ Washington Wizards(13-4 

Post#587 » by ChildishGambino » Wed Apr 11, 2012 2:13 am

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ChildishGambino wrote:it's kinda sad to know that Ish will probably be back to the bench real soon maybe Friday......Tonight while Ish may had a few miscues he imo was more of a point guard than Nelson was....Ish knows how to read the flow of the game...when to be aggressive...when to be passive.....He reminds me a lot of Skip in that sense....He may not be the shooter that Duhon is but Ish is more of the true point guard we need in our pick and roll offense.....

Wish i could see him play with Dwight though.....i can imagine a Ish/Dwight pick and roll where the defender can't leave Howard but can't stay in front of Ish because he's so fast.....that could cause some damage....but it will probably never come to fruition....because this is Stan we're talking about....

The same Stan we have now basically watched Rafer "Skip to ma lou" Alston help lead our team to the finals only to be benched for Jameer for some reason i stil don't understand.....Stan is so set on who he thinks should be playing that at times it hurts the team....


What gives you that thought that will happen? Did Stan say this will happen or this is just your hunch?

well it's just what i think based off of the Stan i know.....Duhon didn't play last night because of the suspension and he didn't play tonight as a result of management more or less telling Stan not to play him as sort of a punishment....i might be assuming but it's not like Stan wanted to play Ish it's more like he had no choice but.....who knows maybe these last two games showed Stan something...IMO he earned playing time...but with Stan that hardly means anything....
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Post#588 » by NickAnderson » Wed Apr 11, 2012 2:14 am

I've been saying Earl sucks, since everyone started that free Clark BS. He doesn't bring ANYTHING to the table - just a body that's it. He can't even make layups.
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Re: Game #58: Orlando Magic(34-23) @ Washington Wizards(13-4 

Post#589 » by Bensational » Wed Apr 11, 2012 2:15 am

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IGotDaMagicInMe wrote:http://www.teamrankings.com/nba/stat/average-1st-quarter-margin fun fact of the day

And we are 24th for 4th quarter points per game. And yes, I know that's a different statistic from the 1st quarter margin.
http://www.teamrankings.com/nba/stat/4t ... s-per-game

This is sad.


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that 4th quarter ranking isn't as dramatic as it sounds. there's only 1.5ppg separating us from 1st place. and .2ppg separating us from Miami.
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Re: Game #58: Orlando Magic(34-23) @ Washington Wizards(13-4 

Post#590 » by GameOver25 » Wed Apr 11, 2012 2:21 am

I missed this one, we lost to the Wizards and Duhon didn't play? How?
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Re: Game #58: Orlando Magic(34-23) @ Washington Wizards(13-4 

Post#591 » by ChosenSavior » Wed Apr 11, 2012 2:22 am

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ChildishGambino wrote:it's kinda sad to know that Ish will probably be back to the bench real soon maybe Friday......Tonight while Ish may had a few miscues he imo was more of a point guard than Nelson was....Ish knows how to read the flow of the game...when to be aggressive...when to be passive.....He reminds me a lot of Skip in that sense....He may not be the shooter that Duhon is but Ish is more of the true point guard we need in our pick and roll offense.....

Wish i could see him play with Dwight though.....i can imagine a Ish/Dwight pick and roll where the defender can't leave Howard but can't stay in front of Ish because he's so fast.....that could cause some damage....but it will probably never come to fruition....because this is Stan we're talking about....

The same Stan we have now basically watched Rafer "Skip to ma lou" Alston help lead our team to the finals only to be benched for Jameer for some reason i stil don't understand.....Stan is so set on who he thinks should be playing that at times it hurts the team....


What gives you that thought that will happen? Did Stan say this will happen or this is just your hunch?

well it's just what i think based off of the Stan i know.....Duhon didn't play last night because of the suspension and he didn't play tonight as a result of management more or less telling Stan not to play him as sort of a punishment....i might be assuming but it's not like Stan wanted to play Ish it's more like he had no choice but.....who knows maybe these last two games showed Stan something...IMO he earned playing time...but with Stan that hardly means anything....


Seriously? Weren't you the one that broke the news that Ish would play over Duhon on this thread? Duhon will not see the floor just like he wouldn't have this season if this was a 82 game season cause Ish would have the necessary practice time to beat Duhon out of his job.

Hell Stan gave the kid a ton of credit after the game. Loved his energy on both ends and how he pushed the pace. Stated that he probably should have played him and other guys on the bench more. I know you and others think Stan is this stubborn mule who won't make a chance to save his life, but he is a coach that is loyal to his main players. I personally think that Ish won him over these past two games and he is going to continue to get minutes behind Jameer. If I'm wrong, then I'll eat crow but I doubt I will be.
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Re: Game #58: Orlando Magic(34-23) @ Washington Wizards(13-4 

Post#592 » by ChosenSavior » Wed Apr 11, 2012 2:25 am

GameOver25 wrote:I missed this one, we lost to the Wizards and Duhon didn't play? How?


The team was tired after the first quarter and we could not defend the paint to save our lives which caused Kevin Seraphin to have the game of his life tonight. Our defensive rotations on their pick and roll was horrible which allowed them to either get open shots on the perimeter or allow Seraphin to roll hard to the paint and get an easy look at the basket.
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Re: Game #58: Orlando Magic(34-23) @ Washington Wizards(13-4 

Post#593 » by IGotDaMagicInMe » Wed Apr 11, 2012 2:30 am

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IGotDaMagicInMe wrote:http://www.teamrankings.com/nba/stat/average-1st-quarter-margin fun fact of the day

And we are 24th for 4th quarter points per game. And yes, I know that's a different statistic from the 1st quarter margin.
http://www.teamrankings.com/nba/stat/4t ... s-per-game

This is sad.




that 4th quarter ranking isn't as dramatic as it sounds. there's only 1.5ppg separating us from 1st place. and .2ppg separating us from Miami.


considering that the difference between first and last in 4th qtr scoring margin is 4.3 points, small numbers can seem harmless, but thats misleading. We are bad in scoring margin in auarters 2-4 and phenomenal in the first
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Re: Game #58: Orlando Magic(34-23) @ Washington Wizards(13-4 

Post#594 » by Reverse_Angle » Wed Apr 11, 2012 2:42 am

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Reverse_Angle wrote:Earl is such a disappointment, he is the worse defender we got. I am not kidding. I have never seen even hedo or jrich to loose his man or mix up rotations like that. If he can not even do that, what good is he?

we can not lose games like this man, we just can not.

i kinda feel that way as well....it seems every time i see him the worse he looks to me...sure he had a few blocks but it didn't really affect the outcome of the game....to me he's just out there shooting jumpers...if Earl is going to do just that why play him and not Harper? At least Harper can hit those jumpers......


ChosenSavior wrote: Earl is pretty awful and really dumb on both ends of the floor. He has natural athleticism, but it does not seem he knows how to put it all together.



down to the euroleague he should go. James gist says hi, he needs a pal overseas.
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Re: Game #58: Orlando Magic(34-23) @ Washington Wizards(13-4 

Post#595 » by magicman123 » Wed Apr 11, 2012 2:45 am

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Reverse_Angle wrote:Earl is such a disappointment, he is the worse defender we got. I am not kidding. I have never seen even hedo or jrich to loose his man or mix up rotations like that. If he can not even do that, what good is he?

we can not lose games like this man, we just can not.


Yeah Earl is pretty awful and really dumb on both ends of the floor. He has natural athleticism, but it does not seem he knows how to put it all together.


and thats how i feel about wafer, besides the occasional drive to the basket hes not very bright on either end, both have talent but both lack IQ
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Post#596 » by Prolific Scorer » Wed Apr 11, 2012 2:57 am

IGotDaMagicInMe wrote:
ORLMagicGirl15 wrote:
IGotDaMagicInMe wrote:http://www.teamrankings.com/nba/stat/average-1st-quarter-margin fun fact of the day

And we are 24th for 4th quarter points per game. And yes, I know that's a different statistic from the 1st quarter margin.
http://www.teamrankings.com/nba/stat/4t ... s-per-game

This is sad.


I just wonder why we start out so well


Because we've always gone to Dwight in the 1st quarter, a little to start the 3rd and then forget about him the rest of the game.
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Post#597 » by ChildishGambino » Wed Apr 11, 2012 2:59 am

Don't get me wrong Chosen i want Ish to play over Duhon...hell when Ish first got here i was one of the first people on the bandwagon....but i just can't put it past Stan....i still remember him benching Skip in the finals after he helped us get there for a unknown in jameer simply because he was jameer....

Skip at that point in time was the better player but Stan benched him for some reason.....same thing could be happening all over again....Ish is the better player but Duhon will play over him for a reason only Stan knows.....because all the Stats say that Ish is better.....Even Stevie Wonder and Ray Charles can see Ish is better but i can't get why Stan doesn't?
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Post#598 » by trebone » Wed Apr 11, 2012 3:05 am

ChildishGambino wrote:Don't get me wrong Chosen i want Ish to play over Duhon...hell when Ish first got here i was one of the first people on the bandwagon....but i just can't put it past Stan....i still remember him benching Skip in the finals after he helped us get there for a unknown in jameer simply because he was jameer....

Skip at that point in time was the better player but Stan benched him for some reason.....same thing could be happening all over again....Ish is the better player but Duhon will play over him for a reason only Stan knows.....because all the Stats say that Ish is better.....Even Stevie Wonder and Ray Charles can see Ish is better but i can't get why Stan doesn't?


In stans defense there were multiple reports that Stan was pressured from ownership to play jameer in the finals, it was not all on van gundy
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Re: Game #58: Orlando Magic(34-23) @ Washington Wizards(13-4 

Post#599 » by ChosenSavior » Wed Apr 11, 2012 3:14 am

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ChildishGambino wrote:Don't get me wrong Chosen i want Ish to play over Duhon...hell when Ish first got here i was one of the first people on the bandwagon....but i just can't put it past Stan....i still remember him benching Skip in the finals after he helped us get there for a unknown in jameer simply because he was jameer....

Skip at that point in time was the better player but Stan benched him for some reason.....same thing could be happening all over again....Ish is the better player but Duhon will play over him for a reason only Stan knows.....because all the Stats say that Ish is better.....Even Stevie Wonder and Ray Charles can see Ish is better but i can't get why Stan doesn't?


In stans defense there were multiple reports that Stan was pressured from ownership to play jameer in the finals, it was not all on van gundy


I was going to say just that. If I'm not mistaken, I thought Otis mainly pressured Stan into putting Jameer back in the rotation. I could be wrong though.
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Post#600 » by trebone » Wed Apr 11, 2012 3:15 am

ChildishGambino wrote:Don't get me wrong Chosen i want Ish to play over Duhon...hell when Ish first got here i was one of the first people on the bandwagon....but i just can't put it past Stan....i still remember him benching Skip in the finals after he helped us get there for a unknown in jameer simply because he was jameer....

Skip at that point in time was the better player but Stan benched him for some reason.....same thing could be happening all over again....Ish is the better player but Duhon will play over him for a reason only Stan knows.....because all the Stats say that Ish is better.....Even Stevie Wonder and Ray Charles can see Ish is better but i can't get why Stan doesn't?


In stans defense there were multiple reports that Stan was pressured from ownership to play jameer in the finals, it was not all on van gundy

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