Free Agents Thread

[closg00]

Yeah, Dracic is going to get a raise. I'm all in-favor of shoring-up the back-up PG slot.

[Nivek]

One thought, and I'm not sure if this would work, but I wonder if the Wizards could release Lewis on June 30, and then amnesty that contract whenever the new league year starts (I think July 1). Hmm, need to email Larry Coon.

You're probably the only person who has even thought about amnestying someone that has already been bought out.

I checked, and they can't do it. The amnesty can be used for players continuously on the roster since July 1, 2011 or player released prior to July 1, 2011. That's it.

[nate33]

Shall we re-ignite our old debate about whether or not to extend an offer to James Singleton despite having Booker and the other Singleton? Yeah or Nay?

If we draft a big man without trading one Nene, Seraphin, Vesely or Booker, we'd end up with 5 bigs on the roster and no room for Singleton. If we refrain from drafting a big, or if we draft a big and trade one of Vesely/Seraphin/Booker, then I'd love to have Singleton as our 5th big next year. When everyone is healthy, Singleton probably wouldn't play much, but all it would take is one injury for him to get into the regular rotation. And given Nene's heatlh history, that seems pretty likely sooner or later.

[dobrojim]

Shall we re-ignite our old debate about whether or not to extend an offer to James Singleton despite having Booker and the other Singleton? Yeah or Nay?

If we draft a big man without trading one Nene, Seraphin, Vesely or Booker, we'd end up with 5 bigs on the roster and no room for Singleton. If we refrain from drafting a big, or if we draft a big and trade one of Vesely/Seraphin/Booker, then I'd love to have Singleton as our 5th big next year. When everyone is healthy, Singleton probably wouldn't play much, but all it would take is one injury for him to get into the regular rotation. And given Nene's AND BOOKER'S heatlh history, that seems pretty likely sooner or later.

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[Severn Hoos]

I know April wins are the fool's gold of the NBA. I have to keep repeating that to myself. And yet....

The way Seraphin has been playing, I don't see how you can send him back to the bench. I still love Ilyasova, and if they could get him for $8M, I'd do it - mostly because he's that valuable, and you've just got to add a guy like that if you have the chance.

But, the more I think about it, a moderate "stay the course" summer might actually be the best approach. If they don't get Davis, I would draft Beal or MKG - and I'd probably go with Beal on a hunch, but could get burned on that. Keep J. Singleton. Sign a bargain/value shooter - I do like Brandon Rush here. A vet PG would be great also (Earl Watson?) Adding Jae Crowder with the 32nd pick would be icing on the cake.

Then next year, see what you have in C. Singleton and Vesely. If Blatche can be moved for an expiring, then fine, but otherwise amnesty, because you have to be absolutely sure he's off the roster by next summer.

Wall/Mack/Watson
Beal/Crawford
C. Singleton/Rush/Crowder
Nene/Booker/J. Singleton
Seraphin/Vesely

Should have some serious cap room in 2013 to fill whichever holes seem most urgent at that point. (nate - I realize that this is essentially what you've been saying, so I guess my only response is to say.... +1!)

[closg00]

Ryan Anderson got roasted in the Orlando GT, pretty-much to the effect that he is just a system player and that the team needed more two-way players.

[tontoz]

Anyone still want to sign Hibbert?

I really don't see the need to spend big money on anyone this summer, especially someone that plays the 4/5.

[dobrojim]

+1 on Sev/Nate

I like that plan. If we fail to get Davis, stay the curse err course.

Getting Crowder with the 2nd rnd would be very fortunate.

[REDardWIZskin]

Ryan Anderson got roasted in the Orlando GT, pretty-much to the effect that he is just a system player and that the team needed more two-way players.

And the fact that playing next to Dwight makes you look twice as good as you really are.

[jivelikenice]

The expensive free agents we spent a lot of time discussing have really limped to the finish line.

Ryan Anderson- exposed with the absence of Dwight IMO
Eric Gordon- In & out with injuries. It could be New Orleans tanking or shutting him down as a way to keep his value low on the open market
Batum- Really struggling with a quad injury and has struggled.

I'm beginning to go along with what Nate suggested earlier and think holding on to some of our money might be the best move. Using the lotto pick and then prioritizing a couple of middle tier guys like Courtney Lee/Gerald Green might be the way to go. That being said, I would monitor a few guys like Batum to see if there price is lower than we expected.

Is Budinger a FA?

[montestewart]

Ryan Anderson got roasted in the Orlando GT, pretty-much to the effect that he is just a system player and that the team needed more two-way players.

And the fact that playing next to Dwight makes you look twice as good as you really are.

Didn't help Arenas much, but Rashard sure looked better down there.

[pancakes3]

anyone eyeing odom?

[Rafael122]

anyone eyeing odom?

If he doesn't want to play for defending champs Mavericks, he's not going to want to play for the Wizards.

[nate33]

Per 36 numbers:

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Player    Age POS  eFG%  TS%  3P%  REB  AST  STL  BLK  TOV   PF   PTS   PER
Player A   23  SF  .533 .575 .391  5.4  1.6  1.1  1.2  1.8  2.1  16.5  17.3
Player B   24  SF  .524 .557 .408  5.4  2.1  1.4  1.0  1.6  2.6  13.5  14.4

Player A actually averages 30.4 minutes per game for a roughly .500ish ball club. Player B averages 23.9 for a title contender. Both players play good defense, though Player B is probably a little bit better defensively.

Both players are free agents this year. Player A is likely to cost $10-12M a year. Player B will probably cost $4-6M a year. Given the cost, which one would you want?



Highlight below to see the player names:

Player A is Nicolas Batum
Player B is Danny Green

[tontoz]

Per 36 numbers:

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Player    Age POS  eFG%  TS%  3P%  REB  AST  STL  BLK  TOV   PF   PTS   PER
Player A   23  SF  .533 .575 .391  5.4  1.6  1.1  1.2  1.8  2.1  16.5  17.3
Player B   24  SF  .524 .557 .408  5.4  2.1  1.4  1.0  1.6  2.6  13.5  14.4

Player A actually averages 30.4 minutes per game for a roughly .500ish ball club. Player B averages 23.9 for a title contender. Both players play good defense, though Player B is probably a little bit better defensively.

Both players are free agents this year. Player A is likely to cost $10-12M a year. Player B will probably cost $4-6M a year. Given the cost, which one would you want?



Highlight below to see the player names:

Player A is Nicolas Batum
Player B is Danny Green

I am not thrilled with paying big money to Batum to play the 3. I think he is better at the 2 because he is so skinny and a weak rebounder.

I would be reluctant to pay $5 million for Green though.

[nate33]

I am not thrilled with paying big money to Batum to play the 3. I think he is better at the 2 because he is so skinny and a weak rebounder.

I would be reluctant to pay $5 million for Green though.

Bear in mind that I really have no idea what Green will cost. Those per 36 numbers are rock solid and probably worth an MLE type contract; however, his actual numbers don't look as impressive due to low minutes, so maybe he'll slip below the radar. Maybe he'll only cost $3M or so. It's tough to say.

We can afford to pay somebody about $5M in 2013 and still have max cap room (assuming Blatche is amnestied this summer or next summer, and assuming one of Crawford's/Singleton's team options is not extended past 2013).

[miller31time]

I really don't want to throw a lot of money at either player. 10mil per year is too much for Batum and 5mil per year is too much for Green (unless he proves that he can consistently put up the numbers he averages this season AND with more minutes played).

I understand we have some room to make moves but every time I think about throwing the full MLE at a fringe starter, visions of Antonio Daniels and Etan Thomas haunt my dreams.

[nate33]

I really don't want to throw a lot of money at either player. 10mil per year is too much for Batum and 5mil per year is too much for Green (unless he proves that he can consistently put up the numbers he averages this season AND with more minutes played).

I understand we have some room to make moves but every time I think about throwing the full MLE at a fringe starter, visions of Antonio Daniels and Etan Thomas haunt my dreams.

What exactly is to be gained by not spending the money? (Again, assuming we maintain enough cap space to go after a max free agent in 2013.)

Of course, having said that, there's also this to consider:

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Player         Age   TS%  eFG%  TRB  AST  STL  BLK  TOV  PTS   PER
Danny Green     24  .557  .524  5.4  2.1  1.4  1.0  1.6  13.5  14.7
Cartier Martin  27  .602  .603  6.4  1.1  0.9  0.2  1.4  15.1  14.7

We can't overlook that Green has done it for 1339 minutes on an elite team while Martin for only 203 minutes on a bad team.

[Upper Decker]

Keep in mind while Martin's been on the team they've played their best ball of the season. They've also been without their starting CE and PF. With Nene and Booker they're probably playing above .500 over this stretch. Add a top 5 pick (cross-fingers Davis) Cartier Martin is 90% of Danny Green at 20% of the cost.

[Ruzious]

Keep in mind while Martin's been on the team they've played their best ball of the season. They've also been without their starting CE and PF. With Nene and Booker they're probably playing above .500 over this stretch. Add a top 5 pick (cross-fingers Davis) Cartier Martin is 90% of Danny Green at 20% of the cost.

Meh. Danny Green is an outstanding defender and good enough ball handler to play guard. I want to keep Martin, but he's pretty much just a shooter.