Our Projected Depth Chart

Nivek · Post #181 » by **Nivek** » Tue Feb 21, 2012 3:26 am

Neither Young nor Crawford is "the future" with this team. The future is Wall. They guy who should start and play the most minutes is the one who does the best of fitting with Wall and helping him develop. Between Young and Crawford, that guy is Young. But neither guy should be considered part of the team's long-term plans.

hands11 · Post #182 » by **hands11** » Tue Feb 21, 2012 6:52 am

Nivek wrote:Neither Young nor Crawford is "the future" with this team. The future is Wall. They guy who should start and play the most minutes is the one who does the best of fitting with Wall and helping him develop. Between Young and Crawford, that guy is Young. But neither guy should be considered part of the team's long-term plans.

nope its crawford

hands11 · Post #183 » by **hands11** » Fri Mar 2, 2012 5:43 pm

Well Randy finally made a change last game against the Orlando after benching Nick and McGee the previous game for .... well ... just being TDS = Too Damn Stupid

Starters were

Wall
Crawford
Singleton
Booker
KS

Bench was McGee, Mo Evans, Young with spot minutes for Mason, Mack and Ves

Lewis out with a knee. Dray ready to return after a torn calve has him out for a long time. Ronny almost ready with a broken hand.

While that wasn't perfect because KS is not a starting center, it was close to what should be done given those players available. Not a lot of options for starting center so that was worth a shot. Not sure there is any IQ upgrade between KS and McGee. KS is more physical and better potential to be in the right position defensively. McGee more offense, length, put backs.

Wall lite it up 33. Crawford looked a lot better then Nick as the starter 18 5 4 . KS is not the answer to replace McGee as a starter. It is going to take Ronny getting back on the court. But Booker did pretty well defending Howard and that is saying a lot. They did play him at center some with Singleton as the PF where he could use his quickness better.

So will we see this as the starting line up ?

Wall/Mack
Crawford/Mason/Nick
Mo Evans/Lewis
Singleton/Ves/Dray
Booker/McGee/KS

Ronny ?

This is probably their best rotations for now.

Against CLE Booker should be able to body up Varejao and Singleton could defend Jamison and drive by him AJ has feet of stone.

Replacing the two dumbest players on the team ( Nick and Mcgee ) with Crawford and Mo Evan raises the IQ level of the team. Most of that IQ gain comes from Mo who I have at a 9 over McGee who I have at a 2. And even Crawford helps some. Nick is a 2 and Crawford is maybe a 4. Crawford main benefit is not so much IQ as it is the fact that he can actually dribble and pass. Plus, having IQ=2 players in your starting line up kills your team. Addition by subtraction. Nick should not start another game this year. Crawford should be the starter at SG. That has become clear.

SUPERBALLMAN · Post #184 » by **SUPERBALLMAN** » Sat Mar 3, 2012 3:50 am

hands11 wrote:
Nivek wrote:Neither Young nor Crawford is "the future" with this team. The future is Wall. They guy who should start and play the most minutes is the one who does the best of fitting with Wall and helping him develop. Between Young and Crawford, that guy is Young. But neither guy should be considered part of the team's long-term plans.

nope its crawford

Gotta say Crawford has been much better since moving to the starting lineup. He seems an ideal off the bench type, but maybe he's just much better suited as a starter. I think he adds a bit more quickness, effort, energy, versatility, hustle to the lineup, and I like the team they've been putting out there past couple games. I Crawford now has me considering him as a legit candidate for the SG spot going forward, and I do think his shooting will improve as will his shot selection as he matures and continues to gain experience. At this point, I'd say he has more "upside" than Young, and that's crucial heading into this offseason.

hands11 · Post #185 » by **hands11** » Thu Mar 8, 2012 5:11 am

Where is the Mason thread.

Just when I gave up on his all the sudden he started balln. I hated that he got away the first time but he seemed done by the time we got him back.

Five game numbers.

.531 FG .565 from 3

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/1721/roger-mason

closg00 · Post #186 » by **closg00** » Fri Mar 16, 2012 8:00 pm

We are short a big, do we bring-back Hamady or play poor-mans canter with Vesely and Neck-Fat?

hands11 · Post #187 » by **hands11** » Sat Mar 17, 2012 3:54 am

Star date 234323

So Nick and McGee are gone. Nene and Brian Cook on the way as soon as they pass their physicals.

New line ups that last 2 games.

Wall/Mack
Crawford/Mason
Singleton/Mo
Booker/Dray
Keeeevin/Ves

Mason has been on fire for like 6 games and Crawford ice cold for about the same. Nene adds a mature vet to anchor the front line as they build. Now they need some more talent at SF and SG.

Once Nene is here I guess we get.

Wall/Mack
Crawford/Mason
Singleton/Mo
Booker/Dray/Ves
Nene/Keeeevin/Ves

Ves needs a good summer to settle in. No camp this year did no favors for him adapting.
Nice to see Booker has found a mid range shot. That is helping. But this really needs to find more reliable shooting from the SG. Mason is aging and Crawford is way streaky and a chucker.

The last two game Randy has played some Wall, Mack and Mason together. The team needs some help up there. Crawford is not looking like starting SG material. And while Mack has been solid as a rookie, he isnt that great a outside shooter. Which is strange. I thought he had that part of his game worked out.

I would like to see some

Wall, Mason, Booker, Nene, Keeeveen and sometimes Ves

Knighthonor · Post #188 » by **Knighthonor** » Tue Mar 20, 2012 2:59 am

Nivek wrote:Neither Young nor Crawford is "the future" with this team. The future is Wall. They guy who should start and play the most minutes is the one who does the best of fitting with Wall and helping him develop. Between Young and Crawford, that guy is Young. But neither guy should be considered part of the team's long-term plans.

I don't understand how if Anthony Davis come in or MKG, how will that develop Wall?

How is that building around him?

Ed Wood · Post #189 » by **Ed Wood** » Tue Mar 20, 2012 3:15 am

Because they are presumably also good young players and good is the operative word in what it is that the team hopes to build. And not to pry but are you either not a native English speaker or extremely young? I only ask because of the "what is this thing you call love Earth Man" shtick. If the former I apologize that I post so idiomatically.

Post #190 » by **montestewart** » Tue Mar 20, 2012 4:11 am

Ed Wood wrote:Because they are presumably also good young players and good is the operative word in what it is that the team hopes to build. And not to pry but are you either not a native English speaker of extremely young? I only ask because of the "what is this thing you call love Earth Man" shtick. If the former I apologize that I post so idiomatically.

"What is this 'love' you speak of, James T. Kirk?"

hands11 · Post #191 » by **hands11** » Sat Mar 31, 2012 7:45 pm

http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=320330027

Well the team just crushed the Sixers at home who had owned them and have been keeping teams under 100 pts while playing close games for like the last 5 games or so. Well since they added Nene.

McGee and Nick out with Nene and Martin in seems to be a stroke of brilliance. I so don't miss Nick or McGee already. Dumb and Dumber. They took their solutes, bow an arrow, hair cuts, and planking show on the road.

Wall/Mack
Crawford/Mason
Singleton/Martin/Mo Evans
Booker/Ves/Cook
Nene/Kevin

Brain Cook and Mo Evans are active but neither plays much.

Dray is dieting and working out. Banned from the active roster do to neck fat.
Lewis has some mysterious knee injury that has him sidelined for like the last month. We never hear much about him anymore. Nor does anyone seem to care.

Booker and Nene are dinged with plantar fasciitis

The team looks good with these 10 players in the rotation. The roster finally looks solid.
Kevin is really stepping it up. Nice little post game he has. Soft touch. Strong D.
Nene is a beast. So polished. He has it all.
And Martin showed up ready to roll. He added everything the team was missing at SF.

Martins 2 game PER is 26.9

If you took that roster and added a better back up PG and another option at SG for depth, It would be a solid playoff team if the season started over.

Well done EG and Ted.

hands11 · Post #192 » by **hands11** » Wed Apr 11, 2012 5:26 am

So what would the line ups be if they had Nene and Booker playing right now with the addition of Marin and James Singleton.

And why keep Mo at this point. Bring back Jeffers. Is Owens still around.

closg00 · Post #193 » by **closg00** » Wed Apr 11, 2012 12:29 pm

hands11 wrote:So what would the line ups be if they had Nene and Booker playing right now with the addition of Marin and James Singleton.

And why keep Mo at this point. Bring back Jeffers. Is Owens still around.

I don't think we'll see Booker and Nene for the rest of the season, but next year it might be something like this:

PG: Wall-Mack-Crawford
SG: Crawford-Draft pick (1st or 2nd round)
SF: JSingleton-CSingleton- Lewis (Until traded or bought-out)
PF: Nene-Booker-Ves
C: Seraphin-Blatche-Ves

*Blatche as 3rd-string Center is the logical place to put him
*My guess would be that Evans & Mason are gone with one of them moving to the FO possibly
*If there is cap space, I would be looking for a vet PG or definite upgrade at the back-up PG spot
*Both Singletons can play 3rd-string PF. James Singleton must be kept this time around, possibly Martin also.

causticcretin · Post #194 » by **causticcretin** » Wed Apr 11, 2012 1:03 pm

James Singleton at SF? It'd be nice if we had a shooter at the SF spot...

Maybe it's the remnant euphoria from a win last night, but I'm at least a little curious how 'Shard might look playing on a post-first offense again.

Since the trade jettisoned 2/3 of our blackhole half court offense (I have a Shatner-esque lament every game as though poor shot-selection has buried our hopes of winning: 'CRAAAAAAAAWFOOOORD!' ) it seems we've been trying to actually pound the ball in the post and spread the offense out for shooters.

As awful as 'Shard has been, to bury him so deep on the bench once we finally seem to be trying to run more of the offense through the post seems premature.

If we're going to be stuck paying him as though he'd invented the shake weight, we might as well give him a chance to see if he can still stroke it ( :wink:

).

closg00 · Post #195 » by **closg00** » Wed Apr 11, 2012 1:42 pm

causticcretin wrote:James Singleton at SF? It'd be nice if we had a shooter at the SF spot...

Maybe it's the remnant euphoria from a win last night, but I'm at least a little curious how 'Shard might look playing on a post-first offense again.

Since the trade jettisoned 2/3 of our blackhole half court offense (I have a Shatner-esque lament every game as though poor shot-selection has buried our hopes of winning: 'CRAAAAAAAAWFOOOORD!' ) it seems we've been trying to actually pound the ball in the post and spread the offense out for shooters.

As awful as 'Shard has been, to bury him so deep on the bench once we finally seem to be trying to run more of the offense through the post seems premature.

If we're going to be stuck paying him as though he'd invented the shake weight, we might as well give him a chance to see if he can still stroke it ( ).

True, someone who can shoot at the SF position is a must. I penciled-in James because I figure the Wiz keep him this time and Martin will lose-out (perhaps not) Lewis was so-horrible that he should have to earn any minutes he might get.

hands11 · Post #196 » by **hands11** » Thu Apr 12, 2012 1:02 am

closg00 wrote:
hands11 wrote:So what would the line ups be if they had Nene and Booker playing right now with the addition of Marin and James Singleton.

And why keep Mo at this point. Bring back Jeffers. Is Owens still around.

I don't think we'll see Booker and Nene for the rest of the season, but next year it might be something like this:

PG: Wall-Mack-Crawford
SG: Crawford-Draft pick (1st or 2nd round)
SF: JSingleton-CSingleton- Lewis (Until traded or bought-out)
PF: Nene-Booker-Ves
C: Seraphin-Blatche-Ves

*Blatche as 3rd-string Center is the logical place to put him
*My guess would be that Evans & Mason are gone with one of them moving to the FO possibly
*If there is cap space, I would be looking for a vet PG or definite upgrade at the back-up PG spot
*Both Singletons can play 3rd-string PF. James Singleton must be kept this time around, possibly Martin also.

But you have Dray 2nd center above.

I would like them to keep Mason unless of course they can get Ray Allen.
I say Mack needs replaced or he is inactive as the 3rd PG if they keep him.

What they have now, I think it would line up something like this if Nene and Booker make a return this year.

PG: Wall/Mack
SG: Crawford/Mason/Martin
SF: CSingleton/Martin
PF: Nene/JSingleton/Cook/Booker ( he would be active only as insurance because of the foot )
C: Seraphin/Ves

Thats 12
Mo inactive

Not sure if James can play the SF or not. He has added range.
Nene can obviously cover at Center as well. He and Nene are kind of interchangable with Nene having the experience and more comfortable from range so let young blood do the pounding in the blocks. Nene can box out. Whichever way works best. KS/Nene or Nene/KS.

Dray most likely get a few games before the year is over. I expect those games to be played with probably Nene or Booker resting.

with Dray.

PG: Wall/Mack
SG: Crawford/Mason/Martin
SF: Martin/JSingleton/CSingleton
PF: Nene/Dray/Booker
C: Seraphin/Ves

Thats 12

Booker ( he would be active only as insurance because of the foot )
Evan and Cook inactive

I could see them doing something like that a few games to audition Dray. CS got plenty of play for a rookie this season.

hands11 · Post #197 » by **hands11** » Thu Apr 12, 2012 1:06 am

Next year.

PG: Wall/PG??/Mack ( add a quality vet PG/or draft another who is more productive )
SG: Crawford/Mason/maybe their 1st pick Beal. if not Martin can cover and pick Robinson.
SF: Martin/JSingleton/CSingleton
PF: Nene/Booker/(maybe their 1st pick Robinson)
C: Seraphin/Ves/Dray

rockymac52 · Post #198 » by **rockymac52** » Sun Apr 15, 2012 10:22 pm

So realistically there are 7 players that will almost definitely be with the Wizards at the start of next season, unless they are traded in the offseason.

1. Wall
2. Crawford
3. C. Singleton
4. Booker
5. Vesely
6. Nene
7. Seraphin

Then there's 3 more players that are currently under contract with us, but it remains to be seen if they'll be cut or amnestied.

1. Mack (non-guaranteed)
2. Blatche (potential amnesty)
3. Lewis (non-guaranteed AND potential amnesty)

Then we currently have 3 draft picks.

1. Wizards 1st round pick (1-5)
2. Wizards 2nd round pick (32)
3. Mavericks 2nd round pick (49)

If none of those guys are traded, cut, or amnestied, and all 3 of our draft picks make the roster (Mavericks 2nd round pick probably won't to be fair), then we'd have 13 guys on our roster, and we'd be sitting right at the salary cap.

My questions are...

1. Do we realistically expect the Wizards to bring back Mack for another year? What do you think the odds of us bringing back Mack next season are?

2. Do we amnesty Blatche or Lewis (or neither)? What do you think the odds are of each happening?

3. If we choose to not amnesty Lewis, will the Wizards bring him back, or cut him and save about $10 million?

I've read plenty about how people want Lewis and/or Blatche to be amnestied, and some people arguing that we should cut Lewis, then amnesty Blatche, and it all makes sense to me, but I was curious what the general consensus was about what the Wizards front office will ACTUALLY do. If you had to guess right now, which of those 3 players do we bring back, and who gets cut or amnestied? How confident are you in these predictions? (Note: I'm not asking what we should do, or what would make the most sense, I'm asking what you think the Wizards front office is realistically going to do)

Post #199 » by **nate33** » Sun Apr 15, 2012 11:24 pm

Ted saves a ton more money if he cuts Lewis rather than amnestying him. Lewis will be cut. So we have 11 players: the 8 under contract (counting Blatche) and the 3 draft picks. I think Mack is a toss up. He'll compete for the backup PG position in training camp with whomever else is invited (whether it's a draft pick or somebody like Lestor Hudson). Maybe he'll make it, maybe he won't.

I assume we'll sign at least one veteran free agent wing who can shoot. Maybe it'll just be Cartier Martin. Maybe it's Danny Green or Brandon Rush. Maybe we'll amnesty Blatche and go after a top tier guy like Batum or Gordon. I don't know, though my guess is that we won't amnesty Blatche.

rockymac52 · Post #200 » by **rockymac52** » Sun Apr 15, 2012 11:37 pm

nate33 wrote:Ted saves a ton more money if he cuts Lewis rather than amnestying him. Lewis will be cut. So we have 11 players: the 8 under contract (counting Blatche) and the 3 draft picks. I think Mack is a toss up. He'll compete for the backup PG position in training camp with whomever else is invited (whether it's a draft pick or somebody like Lestor Hudson). Maybe he'll make it, maybe he won't.

I assume we'll sign at least one veteran free agent wing who can shoot. Maybe it'll just be Cartier Martin. Maybe it's Danny Green or Brandon Rush. Maybe we'll amnesty Blatche and go after a top tier guy like Batum or Gordon. I don't know, though my guess is that we won't amnesty Blatche.

Is there a possibility that we cut Lewis, keep Blatche for this season, then when he doesn't show any signs of improvement and he can't be traded, we amnesty him next offseason?