Metta World Peace elbow to Harden

Post #1341 » by **Nuntius** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 12:14 pm

ChrisTheFuturePaul wrote:I love the Hornets first and foremost. I'm from Australia and was a huge Larry Johnson fan, fell in love with the brand, followed it through all the changes, and joined here at the time CP3 was new and dang good.

I kinda hate CP3 now as per my issues with flopping. But I will say, he is the best closer in the NBA, he can be quiet for 3 quarters and then destroy your whole team single handed. That is the reason I'm not ashamed of his name on my ID.

But NBA please stop him from flopping!

I can respect that. I was just stating the obvious irony.

Don't get me wrong. I do agree with you on the flopping argument.

But there are 2 differences here:

1) I cannot consider this a flop. Artest hit him. So, it cannot be a flop. He didn't even try it to sell or put extra sauce on that.

2) Ron Artest is not mentally stable. That has been my point all long. No other player would do this. That's why I'm calling for a ban. Because it's Artest. Because it wasn't his first time. Because he was never was mentally stable. Because he will never be mentally stable.

Ultimately, no player (teammate or opponent) can be safe in the vicinity of Ron Artest when he's angry. And that's a huge problem.

SVictor · Post #1342 » by **SVictor** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 12:16 pm

ChrisTheFuturePaul wrote:
Show me a college clip where Harden deliberately gets in the face of a guy after he dunks on his team.

It never happened.

My point is that these guys are coached to aggravate opponents and flop, it wins techs, it wins flagrant fouls, they are taught that this kinda inciden NEVER HAPPENS. It's ok to PUT YOURSELF IN A SITUATION WHERE YOU KNOW YOU ARE ASKING FOR A KING HIT because it'll help us win if it works and the league protects agitators.

If this is the case, which IMO isn't, Harden would have pulled an ugly classless play, but Artest would still be to blame, due his instability. Can we at least agree in this ? :lol:

Post #1343 » by **Nuntius** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 12:16 pm

yayareaa wrote:the whole Thunder team provoke stuff like this into happening

Would you say this if Harden was a Laker? Come on now. Don't be ridiculous.

yayareaa wrote:did you guys see Ibaka push Dunleavy to the ground, stand over him, push him down again and grab his arm really really hard for no reason at all? the Thunder players were doing stuff like this all game long with little or no punishment from the referees or NBA.

Yes. And he deserved to get T'd up or even ejected. But that has nothing to do with that Artest did.

Also, I'll wait till Ibaka runs into the stands and then asks if he's gonna get in trouble before I can put him in the same level as Artest.

Illogicality · Post #1344 » by **Illogicality** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 12:30 pm

rasta028 wrote:People prejudging, just like in the Zimmerman case, we don't know if Ron did it on purpose? We can only judge by what we saw, it happened so fast right in the middle of Artest celebrating and fired up, Stupid Harden got knocked the f#$k out man.......

Chill out laker fan, the video says it all. It was intentional.

Illogicality · Post #1345 » by **Illogicality** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 12:31 pm

Mike Brown's seen it before.

EscapoTHB · Post #1346 » by **EscapoTHB** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 12:36 pm

Both the Lakers and Thunder are really dirty teams. So it's hard for me to feel sympathy for either team. But Artest should be out for the playoffs for that junk.

But yeah last time my team played the Thunder, Westbrook tried to take our best player down while he was in mid-air, and Perkins threw a cheap shot at Wade's head.

Teams that act like that aren't tough. They're trying too hard to act tough. A tough team is a team like last year's grizzlies who just get in the game and play clean hard smash mouth basketball. Cheap shots don't mean you're tough.

Bad Boy Pistons got exposed on this front too, when the Bulls finally beat them, they walked out like the childish chumps they always were.

ChrisTheFuturePaul · Post #1347 » by **ChrisTheFuturePaul** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 12:41 pm

SVictor wrote:
ChrisTheFuturePaul wrote:
Show me a college clip where Harden deliberately gets in the face of a guy after he dunks on his team.

It never happened.

My point is that these guys are coached to aggravate opponents and flop, it wins techs, it wins flagrant fouls, they are taught that this kinda inciden NEVER HAPPENS. It's ok to PUT YOURSELF IN A SITUATION WHERE YOU KNOW YOU ARE ASKING FOR A KING HIT because it'll help us win if it works and the league protects agitators.

If this is the case, which IMO isn't, Harden would have pulled an ugly classless play, but Artest would still be to blame, due his instability. Can we at least agree in this ?

Can't agree because the point is missed on your end in my opinion.

I'm not defending Artest. Not at all. I'm saying it is cause and effect. It is a coached method to make players angry, unstable and antagonize them because you can flop a minor incident into a foul. It's rewarded to flop and that puts players like Harden in situations where people like Artest do what happened today.

I'm not saying Artest is right.

Look at Ron Artests career 827 games. 2 or 3 are bad apple cases. In my opinion his mental health is none more than any passionate man who gets pushed over the edge and has the ballsack to go with it.

rasta028 · Post #1348 » by **rasta028** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 12:42 pm

I definitely don't condone what Artest did, I kind of feel bad for him cause we all know he's trying to overcome his anger issues and people are attacking him for what happened, those idiot announcers on ABC were the worst ever, hang the man in the public court of perception why don't you. That Breen idiot needed a elbow upside his head if anyone did, I hate that f$%k....

Illogicality · Post #1349 » by **Illogicality** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 12:48 pm

rasta028 wrote:I definitely don't condone what Artest did, I kind of feel bad for him cause we all know he's trying to overcome his anger issues and people are attacking him for what happened, those idiot announcers on ABC were the worst ever, hang the man in the public court of perception why don't you. That Breen idiot needed a elbow upside his head if anyone did, I hate that f$%k....

It was disgusting and disgraceful.

humblebum · Post #1350 » by **humblebum** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 12:58 pm

People who think Harden was somehow to blame for what happened must be either blind or Lakers fans, which, in my experience are similar conditions (Celtics fan... hehehe). Harden was going to accept the inbound pass and Artest went insane asylum and tried to knock Harden out. Leave the naivete at home, Artest is a complete nutjob and should be done for the season and playoffs for this type of craziness based on his track record and the violence of this particular act.

ChrisTheFuturePaul · Post #1351 » by **ChrisTheFuturePaul** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 1:03 pm

humblebum wrote:People who think Harden was somehow to blame for what happened must be either blind or Lakers fans, which, in my experience are similar conditions (Celtics fan... hehehe). Harden was going to accept the inbound pass and Artest went insane asylum and tried to knock Harden out. Leave the naivete at home, Artest is a complete nutjob and should be done for the season and playoffs for this type of craziness based on his track record and the violence of this particular act.

No, actually, you are blind.

Harden made DAMN sure he was in Artests way... What kind of move is it to BE IN THE PATH of a defender who ISNT making a play for the inbound pass if your intent is to RECEIVE THE BALL!? Harden never even had his hands up to get the ball. If you WATCH Harden was mostly concerned with giving Artest a closed fist passive shove than receiving any kind of pass.

EscapoTHB · Post #1352 » by **EscapoTHB** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 1:05 pm

ChrisTheFuturePaul wrote:
humblebum wrote:People who think Harden was somehow to blame for what happened must be either blind or Lakers fans, which, in my experience are similar conditions (Celtics fan... hehehe). Harden was going to accept the inbound pass and Artest went insane asylum and tried to knock Harden out. Leave the naivete at home, Artest is a complete nutjob and should be done for the season and playoffs for this type of craziness based on his track record and the violence of this particular act.

No, actually, you are blind.

Harden made DAMN sure he was in Artests way... What kind of move is it to BE IN THE PATH of a defender who ISNT making a play for the inbound pass if your intent is to RECEIVE THE BALL!? Harden never even had his hands up to get the ball. If you WATCH Harden was mostly concerned with giving Artest a closed fist passive shove than receiving any kind of pass.

I'm sorry but even if we buy this delusion that Harden was just moving into Artest's way--that hardly excuses a bow to the temple. There is nothing that Harden is doing there that justifies what Artest did. Sorry. But that's just the truth. Harden doesn't even enter into the discussion here IMO.

humblebum · Post #1353 » by **humblebum** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 1:09 pm

ChrisTheFuturePaul wrote:
humblebum wrote:People who think Harden was somehow to blame for what happened must be either blind or Lakers fans, which, in my experience are similar conditions (Celtics fan... hehehe). Harden was going to accept the inbound pass and Artest went insane asylum and tried to knock Harden out. Leave the naivete at home, Artest is a complete nutjob and should be done for the season and playoffs for this type of craziness based on his track record and the violence of this particular act.

No, actually, you are blind.

Harden made DAMN sure he was in Artests way... What kind of move is it to BE IN THE PATH of a defender who ISNT making a play for the inbound pass if your intent is to RECEIVE THE BALL!? Harden never even had his hands up to get the ball. If you WATCH Harden was mostly concerned with giving Artest a closed fist passive shove than receiving any kind of pass.

You are a being silly man. Harden was going toward the inbounds passer and was looking right at him. He was going to get the ball and was completely cheap shot by a raving mad man. I hope Stern sends a message and keeps this nutjob off the court for the entire playoffs.

Calvin Klein · Post #1354 » by **Calvin Klein** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 1:18 pm

Does it really matter? Artest shouldn't have done that even if Harden was provoking him.

ChrisTheFuturePaul · Post #1355 » by **ChrisTheFuturePaul** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 1:19 pm

humblebum wrote:
ChrisTheFuturePaul wrote:
humblebum wrote:People who think Harden was somehow to blame for what happened must be either blind or Lakers fans, which, in my experience are similar conditions (Celtics fan... hehehe). Harden was going to accept the inbound pass and Artest went insane asylum and tried to knock Harden out. Leave the naivete at home, Artest is a complete nutjob and should be done for the season and playoffs for this type of craziness based on his track record and the violence of this particular act.

No, actually, you are blind.

Harden made DAMN sure he was in Artests way... What kind of move is it to BE IN THE PATH of a defender who ISNT making a play for the inbound pass if your intent is to RECEIVE THE BALL!? Harden never even had his hands up to get the ball. If you WATCH Harden was mostly concerned with giving Artest a closed fist passive shove than receiving any kind of pass.

You are a being silly man. Harden was going toward the inbounds passer and was looking right at him. He was going to get the ball and was completely cheap shot by a raving mad man. I hope Stern sends a message and keeps this nutjob off the court for the entire playoffs.

Why do you purposely bump into the guy tryna get away from the play if you're concerned about getting the inbound pass? Harden shuffles his feet to stay in Artest's way. Its obvious this was provoked. I'm sorry if you disagree, and again, I'm not defending Artest, I'm just saying this was somewhat planned.

doctorfunk · Post #1356 » by **doctorfunk** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 1:21 pm

ChrisTheFuturePaul wrote:Harden made DAMN sure he was in Artests way... What kind of move is it to BE IN THE PATH of a defender who ISNT making a play for the inbound pass if your intent is to RECEIVE THE BALL!? Harden never even had his hands up to get the ball. If you WATCH Harden was mostly concerned with giving Artest a closed fist passive shove than receiving any kind of pass.

this man speaks the truth;
it was a play to provoke contact, and he kinda succeeded it does not mean Artest behavior is justified, ejection was fair perhaps 1-2 games suspension should be as well.

I don't know if you guys played basketball but if you are to receive an out of bounds pass you generally try to lose your defender not to stand behind the back of defender who doesn't see you. Harden playing cheap is why he caught that elbow. Hope Harden is alright, but it's not like Artest is a ravaging madman and Harden is just an innocent victim here.

toddlincoln · Post #1357 » by **toddlincoln** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 1:21 pm

Love how pathetic lakers fans are. He deserved it!!!

Give me a break. This wasn't provoked AT ALL. Artest is just an unhinged crazy person.

doctorfunk · Post #1358 » by **doctorfunk** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 1:23 pm

i'm a celtics fan

and i just don't like double standards, Malone elbowed people on purpose all the time(like Nash in 2004- and didn't even got ejected for that) and I didn't see people asking to ban him from playoffs

elbowing people in the face is not right, and perhaps it deserves a SHORT suspension but people are overreacting because it's Artest, i know he makes some people uneasy by giving him 10game ban for what would be 1-2game ban for anyone else is not fair.

Post #1359 » by **INKtastic** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 1:27 pm

wallflower wrote:Semi OT but did anyone else find Breens sensationalist coverage a little off-putting and irresponsible? His 5 minute tirade on Peace's history was condescending and needless. I think JVG was off put by it too as evidenced by his uncharacteristic silence.

I mean I know hyperbole is his schtick but that was a little much amirite?

No, you're not

ChrisTheFuturePaul · Post #1360 » by **ChrisTheFuturePaul** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 1:27 pm

toddlincoln wrote:Love how pathetic lakers fans are. He deserved it!!!

Give me a break. This wasn't provoked AT ALL. Artest is just an unhinged crazy person.

I can't speak for Laker fans since I'm not one. But the thread is moving more towards why is Harden there unless he's tryna take advantage of the NBA's flopping stance (because I want it to damnit!) and shouldn't the NBA have an obligation to make bonehead plays like Harden's unrewarded?