Metta World Peace elbow to Harden

spearsy23 · Post #1521 » by **spearsy23** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 5:13 pm

SweetTouch wrote:The more I watch the replays u can tell Ron was mad that Harden came over and put his left fist on him during his celebration. 10 games seems good

This was done because of James Harden talking trash to Kobe. Lakers ain't soft

So you're saying it was premeditated? See ya Artest, hope you don't end up broke and homeless... well, actually, I wouldn't really care either way.

LApwnd · Post #1522 » by **LApwnd** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 5:14 pm

Leto wrote:
LApwnd wrote:
right, screen a guy who clearly had no intention of going after the ball....again who is saying Ron's elbow is legal here?

It doesn't matter. You can screen and move into a players way ANY FREAKIN TIME YOU WANT.

What exactly are you trying to argue? That he shouldn't get punished? That his punishment should be lessened? What is it? Because you are not making any sense.

so apparently you missed the point since the beginning? As I said, it could've been avoided by the sane person (harden) he was not screening anything, he wanted to get in Artest way to draw a T or at least a foul.

doctorfunk · Post #1523 » by **doctorfunk** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 5:14 pm

spearsy23 wrote:
doctorfunk wrote:
Leto wrote:That his punishment should be lessened? What is it? Because you are not making any sense.

perhaps

Provoked acts of violence are punished less severely than those unprovoked right?
Not sure if what Harden did was enough to warrant lessening of suspension but it may be.

In no court of law/principle's office/any place of discipline is "he was standing in front of me" considered provocation.

he provoked contact to get a cheap call, obviously MWP went from happy to mad because someone tried to play cheap tricks on him, he shouldn't have elbowed him but his reaction would be more inexcusable if he elbowed him for nothing, which was not the case.

Gus McCrae · Post #1524 » by **Gus McCrae** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 5:15 pm

watch this video and tell me you are shocked. Watch Ron pushing Harden away and Harden constantly coming back into instigate. He ended up getting bit. Stop acting like Harden is some innocent dude.

specifically watch the 30 second mark.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPTePaIUDOc[/youtube]

TheXFactor · Post #1525 » by **TheXFactor** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 5:16 pm

Leto wrote:
LApwnd wrote:
right, screen a guy who clearly had no intention of going after the ball....again who is saying Ron's elbow is legal here?

It doesn't matter. You can screen and move into a players way ANY FREAKIN TIME YOU WANT.

What exactly are you trying to argue? That he shouldn't get punished? That his punishment should be lessened? What is it? Because you are not making any sense.

Would Harden got KO'd, if he didn't deliberately get in Peace way?

Or

Do you think Peace was looking to punish Harden right after his slam dunk?

I would have to say no to those questions, so I think the punishment shouldn't be to harsh.

Leto · Post #1526 » by **Leto** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 5:18 pm

LApwnd wrote:
Leto wrote:
LApwnd wrote:
right, screen a guy who clearly had no intention of going after the ball....again who is saying Ron's elbow is legal here?

It doesn't matter. You can screen and move into a players way ANY FREAKIN TIME YOU WANT.

What exactly are you trying to argue? That he shouldn't get punished? That his punishment should be lessened? What is it? Because you are not making any sense.

so apparently you missed the point since the beginning? As I said, it could've been avoided by the sane person (harden) he was not screening anything, he wanted to get in Artest way to draw a T or at least a foul.

That is a fabrication. People run into eachother ALL the time on the court after made baskets. And it really is irrelevant. IOW, it doesn't matter if he got in front of him on purpose or not. Rodman was the king of that. Guys constantly jump in front of players to draw fouls--ALWAYS. Its a totally lame excuse that doesn't hold any water. And here's the important part. Its a competly legitimate part of the game.

One other thing. Stop trying to bring the sanity or lack thereof into the discussion. It has zero relevance.

Litany · Post #1527 » by **Litany** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 5:19 pm

People defending this really need to get their heads examined.

And I don't mean by just an M.D., but by a team of doctors in Vienna.

spearsy23 · Post #1528 » by **spearsy23** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 5:20 pm

SoCAL24 wrote:watch this video and tell me you are shocked. Watch Ron pushing Harden away and Harden constantly coming back into instigate. He ended up getting bit. Stop acting like Harden is some innocent dude.

specifically watch the 30 second mark.

So it was retaliation for a completely different game? Artest has been thinking about this for while? Keep digging the hole. Kobe can't handle a little jawing? That's odd since he's such a fan of dishing it out. Oh and Ron is pushing Harden away from the guy he's supposed to be defending, and this is supposed to be evidence that Harden is doing something wrong? Then to top it off there's a technical called on Artest. WTF were you thinking posting this?

TheXFactor · Post #1529 » by **TheXFactor** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 5:21 pm

SoCAL24 wrote:watch this video and tell me you are shocked. Watch Ron pushing Harden away and Harden constantly coming back into instigate. He ended up getting bit. Stop acting like Harden is some innocent dude.

specifically watch the 30 second mark.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPTePaIUDOc[/youtube]

Kind of classless to smack talk when the game is over. If you are going to smack talk, do it at the beginning of the game or when it's still competitive.

Sky_Knicks · Post #1530 » by **Sky_Knicks** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 5:22 pm

The elbow was over the top, but if people don't realize Harden was trying to draw a foul/get artest riled up, they're not paying attention.

spearsy23 · Post #1531 » by **spearsy23** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 5:23 pm

doctorfunk wrote:
he provoked contact to get a cheap call, obviously MWP went from happy to mad because someone tried to play cheap tricks on him, he shouldn't have elbowed him but his reaction would be more inexcusable if he elbowed him for nothing, which was not the case.

Harden stood in front of him, Artest kept walking his way and Harden kept walking towards the baseline, they both walked into each other it wasn't just Harden initiating contact. They bumped into each other. Either way, bumping into someone is not in any way provocation.

Gus McCrae · Post #1532 » by **Gus McCrae** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 5:24 pm

That Harden is an instigator. Because all I'm seeing is a bunch of posts acting like he doesn't get off on instigating. You think he didn't mean to get in ron's way on the inbound? You don't think he was talking a bunch of trash during the game? Like every lakers fan is saying, ron deserves the punishment he gets but stop acting like Harden didn't provoke anything. He's like the guy that keeps throwing stuff at a bully then gets his beat unconscious and the bully goes to jail.

spearsy23 · Post #1533 » by **spearsy23** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 5:28 pm

SoCAL24 wrote:That Harden is an instigator. Because all I'm seeing is a bunch of posts acting like he doesn't get off on instigating. You think he didn't mean to get in ron's way on the inbound? You don't think he was talking a bunch of trash during the game? Like every lakers fan is saying, ron deserves the punishment he gets but stop acting like Harden didn't provoke anything. He's like the guy that keeps throwing stuff at a bully then gets his beat unconscious and the bully goes to jail.

So Harden instigated an elbow by being in Artest's path? This is what you are saying right? If not then you're saying the elbow was for other stuff, which means it was premeditated. If it was premeditated then not only should Artest be thrown out of the league, he should also be fined a years worth of salary. Bumping into a guy is not instigating anything, Harden didn't push him, didn't throw an elbow, hell he didn't even say anything to him on that play. And to act like Artest is innocent other than the elbow is laughable, when is artest not instigating something?

Neutral 123 · Post #1534 » by **Neutral 123** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 5:28 pm

SoCAL24 wrote:That Harden is an instigator. Because all I'm seeing is a bunch of posts acting like he doesn't get off on instigating. You think he didn't mean to get in ron's way on the inbound? You don't think he was talking a bunch of trash during the game? Like every lakers fan is saying, ron deserves the punishment he gets but stop acting like Harden didn't provoke anything. He's like the guy that keeps throwing stuff at a bully then gets his beat unconscious and the bully goes to jail.

A lot of Lakers fans have been saying the elbow was unintentional, and no one has offered anything that suggests he was talking trash, or trying to irritate Ron. That was a regular basketball play Harden made.
Given what the team did last year against Dallas and this incident, they are tarnishing a once great franchise.

schneiderjazz · Post #1535 » by **schneiderjazz** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 5:29 pm

Not saying Harden didn't instigate Artest into doing something, but an elbow to the back of the head is inexcusable. If Bynum got 10 games for what he did to Barea, Artest should get at least 20, since he has a history of pulling this kind of crap.

Cavsfan9000 · Post #1536 » by **Cavsfan9000** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 5:29 pm

SoCAL24 wrote: You think he didn't mean to get in ron's way on the inbound?

that is his job you silly little guy

Leto · Post #1537 » by **Leto** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 5:29 pm

SoCAL24 wrote:That Harden is an instigator. Because all I'm seeing is a bunch of posts acting like he doesn't get off on instigating. You think he didn't mean to get in ron's way on the inbound? You don't think he was talking a bunch of trash during the game? Like every lakers fan is saying, ron deserves the punishment he gets but stop acting like Harden didn't provoke anything. He's like the guy that keeps throwing stuff at a bully then gets his beat unconscious and the bully goes to jail.

Your assertion is nothing more than an ad hominem against Harden and other posters. It also ignores the fact that Laker players do exactly the same thing. Further, I completely disagree that walking in front of Artest is provocation.

Cavsfan9000 · Post #1538 » by **Cavsfan9000** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 5:30 pm

HE STOLE THE BALL FROM ME

THAT IS A PUNCHING

SweetTouch · Post #1539 » by **SweetTouch** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 5:30 pm

Sky_Knicks wrote:The elbow was over the top, but if people don't realize Harden was trying to draw a foul/get artest riled up, they're not paying attention.

This
After watching it over a lot Harden seems to do this a lot to look for a reaction

MWP was tired or it. harden is like a quiet troll

Neutral 123 · Post #1540 » by **Neutral 123** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 5:32 pm

schneiderjazz wrote:Not saying Harden didn't instigate Artest into doing something, but an elbow to the back of the head is inexcusable. If Bynum got 10 games for what he did to Barea, Artest should get at least 20, since he has a history of pulling this kind of crap.

Bynum only got 5, reduced to 4 because of the shortened season. I think Artest will get more than Bynum, but not by a huge amount. I'm guessing the fact that he'll be missing playoff games will also work in his favor.