The Kemba Walker Thread

TheKingofSting · Post #901 » by **TheKingofSting** » Tue Apr 24, 2012 6:02 am

LOL @ Kawhi having a better season than Kemba, Kemba averages more ppg, APG, and nearly as many rebounds per game and is a freaking PG.

Sachmo wrote:not Rubio?

I wouldn't take Brooks over him either, but some would argue that he has had a better rookie year.

Kemba scores the ball a little better while Rubio facilitates a lot better, rebounding is basically a wash but I would still rather have Kemba at least going on this season.

SWedd523 · Post #902 » by **SWedd523** » Tue Apr 24, 2012 6:43 am

Kemba2Hendo wrote:LOL @ Kawhi having a better season than Kemba, Kemba averages more ppg, APG, and nearly as many rebounds per game and is a freaking PG.

Sachmo wrote:not Rubio?

I wouldn't take Brooks over him either, but some would argue that he has had a better rookie year.

Kemba scores the ball a little better while Rubio facilitates a lot better, rebounding is basically a wash but I would still rather have Kemba at least going on this season.

captaincrunk · Post #903 » by **captaincrunk** » Tue Apr 24, 2012 6:45 am

Kemba2Hendo wrote:LOL @ Kawhi having a better season than Kemba, Kemba averages more ppg, APG, and nearly as many rebounds per game and is a freaking PG.

5.2 to 3.5 isn't "nearly as many" but the rest of the post is solid. Though Kawhi is shooting 0.495 and 0.387, which is much better than Kemba and pretty good for anyone. He's also more than a year younger than Kemba, though I wouldn't put too much stock into that.

And Kawhi is a defensive kind of guy. That's really where you have to focus on his game.

TheKingofSting · Post #904 » by **TheKingofSting** » Tue Apr 24, 2012 7:43 am

SWedd523 wrote:
Kemba2Hendo wrote:LOL @ Kawhi having a better season than Kemba, Kemba averages more ppg, APG, and nearly as many rebounds per game and is a freaking PG.

Sachmo wrote:not Rubio?

I wouldn't take Brooks over him either, but some would argue that he has had a better rookie year.

Kemba scores the ball a little better while Rubio facilitates a lot better, rebounding is basically a wash but I would still rather have Kemba at least going on this season.

Everything in that post is truth, look at the stats!

Liver_Pooty · Post #905 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Tue Apr 24, 2012 2:55 pm

I like Walker just as much as the next guy, but there is nooooooooooo way I would choose him over Rubio.

Go to a Wolves board and say that, and you are liable to get slaughtered.

Post #906 » by **fatlever** » Tue Apr 24, 2012 3:41 pm

rubio vs kemba is a silly debate. come on, take off the kemba glasses. stats my be similar, but the eyeball test shows that rubio is miles ahead of kemba as a point guard. look at what happened to the wolves when he went down.

Stun704 · Post #907 » by **Stun704** » Tue Apr 24, 2012 4:25 pm

Kemba2Hendo wrote:
SWedd523 wrote:

Everything in that post is truth, look at the stats!

Don't worry all of these Kemba doubters will be proven wrong next year, quote me on that. Rubio is a better floor general at this point in time, but shoots even worse then Kemba

Liver_Pooty · Post #908 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Tue Apr 24, 2012 5:22 pm

I'm not a Walker doubter, but its just plain as day that Rubio is a better player.

KembaWalker · Post #909 » by **KembaWalker** » Tue Apr 24, 2012 5:44 pm

If Ricky Rubio was here playing under Silas and his terrible system with these teammates and Kemba was playing with at least some good players and with an awesome coach in Adelman, the argument would look a bit different.

NataFresh · Post #910 » by **NataFresh** » Tue Apr 24, 2012 5:50 pm

I wonder if the Kemba bashers realize that advanced stats have Kemba Walker being better than Rubio and Brandon Knight....and that Kemba is top 5 in WARP....

Post #911 » by **fatlever** » Tue Apr 24, 2012 6:06 pm

why does it have to be black or white with kemba? if a poster doesnt agree that kemba is amazing they are labeled a "kemba basher"? come on, its not that easy.

i've got news for many of you that like to use the "if kemba was playing on a good team argument" ... if kemba was on a good team, he most likely wouldnt be getting many minutes.

NataFresh · Post #912 » by **NataFresh** » Tue Apr 24, 2012 6:19 pm

fatlever wrote:why does it have to be black or white with kemba? if a poster doesnt agree that kemba is amazing they are labeled a "kemba basher"? come on, its not that easy.

i've got news for many of you that like to use the "if kemba was playing on a good team argument" ... if kemba was on a good team, he most likely wouldnt be getting many minutes.

It's not black & white but when people start discussing Kemba the tone either becomes overwhelmingly negative or positive...the fact that people who last year bashed DJ seem to go out of their way to defend him this year when absolutely nothing has changed. It's gotten to the point where I barely post here anymore because the bashing of Kemba has gotten so negative that it's beyond draining. I'd see the point of the negativity if Kemba was Cory Higgins bad, but he's not and the fact that it seems to kill folks to compliment at least SOME point of his game is what makes some folks(me included) go out of their way to defend him.

SWedd523 · Post #913 » by **SWedd523** » Tue Apr 24, 2012 6:24 pm

Just because I don't think Kemba is the next Isiah Thomas doesn't mean I'm a Kemba hater.

I'm just not silly enough to think he's "easily" a top 5 rookie and crazy enough to say he's been better than Rubio. Some people take being a fan too far. Get off his johnson

SWedd523 · Post #914 » by **SWedd523** » Tue Apr 24, 2012 6:30 pm

NataFresh wrote:
fatlever wrote:why does it have to be black or white with kemba? if a poster doesnt agree that kemba is amazing they are labeled a "kemba basher"? come on, its not that easy.

i've got news for many of you that like to use the "if kemba was playing on a good team argument" ... if kemba was on a good team, he most likely wouldnt be getting many minutes.

It's not black & white but when people start discussing Kemba the tone either becomes overwhelmingly negative or positive...the fact that people who last year bashed DJ seem to go out of their way to defend him this year when absolutely nothing has changed. It's gotten to the point where I barely post here anymore because the bashing of Kemba has gotten so negative that it's beyond draining. I'd see the point of the negativity if Kemba was Cory Higgins bad, but he's not and the fact that it seems to kill folks to compliment at least SOME point of his game is what makes some folks(me included) go out of their way to defend him.

No what happens is people are so far up his rectum that anytime someone says anything negative, they all of a sudden hate him. It's possible to be a fan of a guy without ignoring his faults. Saying he's a terrible shooter, not a very good passer, and not a top 5 rookie isn't hating on him. It's telling the truth.

captaincrunk · Post #915 » by **captaincrunk** » Tue Apr 24, 2012 6:32 pm

NataFresh wrote:I wonder if the Kemba bashers realize that advanced stats have Kemba Walker being better than Rubio and Brandon Knight....and that Kemba is top 5 in WARP....

I'm not sure any rookie was better than Rubio.

EDIT: Most of the smartest people on this board are willing to admit Kemba's flaws. It will help Kemba grow, if he can.

HornetJail · Post #916 » by **HornetJail** » Tue Apr 24, 2012 6:33 pm

I'm in the middle about Kemba. He's not exactly what I hoped for but hes a rookie who has had a week of training camp, no summer league, and has likely been affected by the losing atmosphere here. He'll come around within the next year or two. Until then, he'll keep having up and down games, leaving people to bash him when he doesn't play well, and then complimenting him when he has good games. Most of us do give credit where it's due, but what we've seen this season has been quite disappointing. Again, that's probably a product of the lockout, and why rookies throughout the NBA have sucked this season.

Kembastockton · Post #917 » by **Kembastockton** » Tue Apr 24, 2012 7:29 pm

I'm in the middle about Kemba. He's not exactly what I hoped for but hes a rookie who has had a week of training camp, no summer league, and has likely been affected by the losing atmosphere here. He'll come around within the next year or two. Until then, he'll keep having up and down games, leaving people to bash him when he doesn't play well, and then complimenting him when he has good games. Most of us do give credit where it's due, but what we've seen this season has been quite disappointing

I agree. Kemba has hardly been that phoenom that seemed to dragg Uconn to the title kicking and screaming. Yet he hasn't been Corey Higgins either. He has been just what he is. He has been a rookie. He has shot horribly, but many seem to forget that rookies usually do shoot terrible. That is nothing new. I expect he will get better. He may never be the next Terrell Brandon like I hoped, but I imaging he will be good enough to eventually manage a few playoff runs. I mean after all Avery Johnson captained a world championship. His rookie year stats... 1.6 pts 1.7 assts .6 rbs while shooting a marvelous .35% from the field and .11% from 3pt range. I'd say there is hope for Kemba. Even if he has the same name as my favorite exgirlfriend.

Again, that's probably a product of the lockout, and why rookies throughout the NBA have sucked this season.

That and the fact that last year's draft was said to be a weak from the beginning.

TheKingofSting · Post #918 » by **TheKingofSting** » Tue Apr 24, 2012 7:52 pm

SWedd523 wrote:Just because I don't think Kemba is the next Isiah Thomas doesn't mean I'm a Kemba hater.

I'm just not silly enough to think he's "easily" a top 5 rookie and crazy enough to say he's been better than Rubio. Some people take being a fan too far. Get off his johnson

Liver_Pooty wrote:I like Walker just as much as the next guy, but there is nooooooooooo way I would choose him over Rubio.

Go to a Wolves board and say that, and you are liable to get slaughtered.

All I said is that it can be argued that Kemba has had a better season and it's an easy argument to make. I don't know anything rubio has done before he was in this league so I used this season as a qualifier. Kemba averages 2 more ppg but when you enhance that to his average in games started and he averages 4 more ppg, like I said he is the better scorer. Then I gave rubio the better facilitator, he averages 4 more apg but it can be argued that thats in 7 less minutes played per game by Kemba and that is not even taking into consideration the level of talent around the two. Lastly I said rebounding is a wash and there is less than a rebound difference in the average of both so it is. SWedd you just stick to posting your corny pics that may have been cool 5 years ago and I will stick to stats and facts.

Stun704 · Post #919 » by **Stun704** » Tue Apr 24, 2012 8:14 pm

Kemba PER 15.15, Rubios PER 14.68 You're right, Ruio is the VASTLY superior player, matter of fact Kemba can't hold the Spaniards jock strap :roll:

KembaWalker · Post #920 » by **KembaWalker** » Tue Apr 24, 2012 8:26 pm

There are some things Kemba Walker is bad at

There are some things Kemba Walker is good at

Players can play comparatively much better depending on the system they are in. Except apparently in our system where almost everyone plays terribly (thanks Silas).

And the criticism of Kemba's passing is starting to get very annoying considering how off base it is. For example it took DJ Augustin until his 3rd year to become as good of a passer as Kemba is right now. Raymond Feltons AST% was basically right where Kemba's is at now for his entire Charlotte tenure (until it shot up in NY...yes like I said a system can indeed do this) with more turnovers. Thats ignoring the fact that he's already dramatically improved in that area since the All Star break of this season.

No he's not Brevin Knight/Ricky Rubio but who cares. He's just as good as any PG we've had here recently which is about as much as you can ask for 9th pick in a weak draft.