Jonas Valanciunas 11/12 Season Thread III

[raptor21_85]

Yeah, im awaiting too.. Jonas will be great
btw, I'll have a job interview in English in the morning, wish me luck fellas

[Darknemo2000]

What you all forgetting is that Lithuania has another big men with Pau Gasol's potential. Next season he's coming to Rockets.
Donatas Motiejunas 7' 1" Power Forward/Center, Best Case: Pau Gasol; Worst Case: Yi Jianlian; He has proven alot more than JV, setting Euroleague record for defensive rebounds 21 in total 24 rebounds. This kid is a monster.
So Lithuania with a freaky frontcourt should easily compete for 1st place.

A monster who basically shrank like a midget's penis in ice water when he went up against Jonas last.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OI8mM8M27cE[/youtube]

Too bad that Donut actually isnt that good. He takes a lot of shots to score while Jonas takes very little shots to score the same amount. And despite the record breaaking rebounding inone game Jonas still beat him in VTB in rebounding average.

Not to mention that Donuts defense is still terrible. You can't say the same about Jonas.

[Darknemo2000]

I have no doubt he would choose that over the under 20's regardless of how close he is to that squad.

Popole had no doubt that he too will work hard in training camps on Draft summer rather than going to play with his U-19 team too... And look how it turned out.

It is not logical, but it wasn't very logical for him to participate in U-19 championship as well and he still did it.

So you should not think that it is set in stone that he wont take part in his U-20 team. I trust Jonas words more than DC and he did answer to a question if he plays for his U-20 team " Look at these guys? (I think he pointed at Redikas, who was going crazy behind him, back then) How can I leave them alone? Of course, I will be there."

Lithuanian U-20 coach is less optimistic about Jonas participation but he mostly was talking that lithuania has high chance to qualify for olympics, but if it doesnt there are chances that Jonas will do illogal thing again and play for his guys in U-20 rather than going to the summer league.

[BillyGM]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VA8ArpXgSSk&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]
Motiejunas is 21 year old 7'1 player (measured 7'0 w/t out shoes), possesses solid body control and athleticism on the dribble-drive, has no trouble delivering passes from a variety of situations, and even tries behind the back dishes and stuff like that, he shows really nice quickness putting the ball on the floor and spinning towards the basket aggressively, and is terrific getting off his feet going after offensive rebounds and emphatic dunks, offensively, his touch is very good on his jump-hook or turnaround jump-shot, and he has range on his shot that extends all the way to the 3-point line, he's doing a much better job of establishing post-position has the ability to put the ball down and beat opposing big men with a quick first step and nifty handles, even being able to change directions with the ball and execute sharp pivot moves, which you rarely see from a player this size. At times you'll see him grab a rebound and ignite the fast break himself, racing up the floor with the ball with the utmost confidence in his ball-handling ability. Motiejunas has a strong will and he showed by improving his rebounding from average of 3 rebounds to 8 rebounds a game over one year in stronger competition than before, he probably can become a good defender if he wants. Even though he's left handed he is just as good shooting with his right hand as with left hand.He's mix between Scola, Gasol, Dragic, Nowitzki. You can't say the same about Jonas because they're totally different players but both are going to be NBA All-Stars. Prepare for the possible Dragic-Motiejunas combo.

[UcanUwill]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VA8ArpXgSSk&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]
Motiejunas is 21 year old 7'1 player (measured 7'0 w/t out shoes), possesses solid body control and athleticism on the dribble-drive, has no trouble delivering passes from a variety of situations, and even tries behind the back dishes and stuff like that, he shows really nice quickness putting the ball on the floor and spinning towards the basket aggressively, and is terrific getting off his feet going after offensive rebounds and emphatic dunks, offensively, his touch is very good on his jump-hook or turnaround jump-shot, and he has range on his shot that extends all the way to the 3-point line, he's doing a much better job of establishing post-position has the ability to put the ball down and beat opposing big men with a quick first step and nifty handles, even being able to change directions with the ball and execute sharp pivot moves, which you rarely see from a player this size. At times you'll see him grab a rebound and ignite the fast break himself, racing up the floor with the ball with the utmost confidence in his ball-handling ability. Motiejunas has a strong will and he showed by improving his rebounding from average of 3 rebounds to 8 rebounds a game over one year in stronger competition than before, he probably can become a good defender if he wants. Even though he's left handed he is just as good shooting with his right hand as with left hand.He's mix between Scola, Gasol, Dragic, Nowitzki. You can't say the same about Jonas because they're totally different players but both are going to be NBA All-Stars. Prepare for the possible Dragic-Motiejunas combo.

Oh my goodness...


Donatas is not a good basketball player, period. Are you really that delusional, or just a hypocrite? How can you even compare that guy to Dirk and Pau? Its a insult. If he played in the NBA, and had that type of numbers, he would be mocked and exposed, because here, people actually cares about efficiency and defense...
And he is nowhere close to Jonas, nowhere.... Jonas is much better on offense, on defense and on boards.



Donatas is overhyped, inefficient enigma, who is just getting exposed in superior leagues.

His defense alone makes him a pretty bad player. It is not even worth discussion.


Its his offensive what makes him good, right? Supposed to... He has a lot of natural strengths. Quick, fairly athletic, kinda coordinated, has soft hands, good ball handler...

But then you look at him play and you realize, you dont have a Dirk or PAu, you dealing with new Charlie Villanueva over here... He is the worst number one option in the Euroleague I have ever seen...

Being one of the tallest Euroleague players this season, yet, he managed to be 148th. out of 209 (+15mpg.) players in TS%, 50%...

His shot selection is horrific and his basketball IQ is questionable to say the least. The most overrated part of his game is his range. He is barely 30% three point shooter, it doesnt matter, he still takes 3 shots from there every night.

His offensive aggressiveness is doubtful. In the last few years, he became A-class chucker.

That video exposes Donatas more than promotes him by the way. Look at those unreliable post moves. Look how low his release point is. He does nothing to hide his short wingspan, those shots are not hard to block or contest. Huge contrast compare to Jonas, who is money.

You take bad shot selection, short wingspan which hurts his finishing ability, poor FT drawing rate and bad FT % in general (63% this season), and what you have, is one of the most offensively inefficient basketball player.




According to some people, Jonas is offensively RAW. And he is defensive minded after all.
Meanwhile Donatas is all around scoring machine, but terrible defnsively.
Yet, statistically, Jonas still dominates Donatas like its not a big whoop. Just take a look at this season's numbers.

Jonas plays 23.4 minutes per game, Doantas plays 28.3. I think its fair to compare their per 36.

Per 36 minutes, Jonas Scores 18.8 points, taking 10.24 FG attempts, which is 1.84 points per shot, shooting 63.7%, while having 71 TS%, and 1.1 PER to USG ratio.

Meanwhile, per 36 minutes, Donatas actually scores less - 18.1 points But he actually takes 14 FG attempts, over 4 of those are 3 pointers. So, it means, he cant outscore Jonas even taking 4 extra 3 point shots!!! That is funny. Icing on a cake is his 46.2 FG% , 1.3 points per shot, 54 TS%, and 0.56 PER to USG ratio!!!!

If you really like a 7'1 guy, who takes 11 and bricks 6 shots per game, and who plays no defense, well, good luck with that, you gonna need it...

[Volcano]

imo, JV has more of a role player's game right now. It's not a bad thing because the "star" label is given to scorers, but that's not necessarily the best way to impact a game,

He still has a lot of development to do on both ends of the court. I hope fans will temper their expectations next season.

[UcanUwill]

imo, JV has more of a role player's game right now. It's not a bad thing because the "star" label is given to scorers, but that's not necessarily the best way to impact a game,

He still has a lot of development to do on both ends of the court. I hope fans will temper their expectations next season.

JV is definitely no more than a role player right now. I doubt he ever be first option guy.
One thing JV should dominate for sure, is rebounding. His rates are better than all of those Euros before him, Marc, Asik, Mozgov.... Even Vesely can rebound in the NBA, so I expect Jonas to be one of the greatest in this particular aspect of the game.

[BillyGM]

Next season you will be eating your own words when Donatas beomes ROY.

[xprt]

Rockets most stacked position is PF he will be lucky if he gets more than 15 minutes.

[BillyGM]

You say stacked. What you mean by stack? Scola is turning 32, PPat is playing like a bum. And D-Mo being 7'1" can play both play C and PF positions. I'm sure that he'll be getting atleast 25-35 mpg.

[nelabai]

Well again... You can't compare these two, they play different positions, bring different things to the team.

D-mo is poor man's Barganni for now and very intriguing prospect for Houston at #20, will be one of the steals of the draft. For now D-mo needs to get stronger, seems too weak, NBA PF's will crush him.

[xprt]

You say stacked. What you mean by stack? Scola is turning 32, PPat is playing like a bum. And D-Mo being 7'1" can play both play C and PF positions. I'm sure that he'll be getting atleast 25-35 mpg.

You are delusional if you think he will get 35 mpg as rookie. Scola is getting his 30, Patterson playing like a bum? Its his second season they will be still developing his game and giving 20 mpg. Mo won't play extended minutes at C.
To guy who says he is to weak to play PF at NBA. Since when 240 lbs for PF is to low? He is finesse player he doesn't need to be 250 or 260 it would hurt his game unless he plans only to play in post as C. I believe his game is suited to NBA rather to Europe he is very fast for 7 footer, has quick first step, good handles for big with NBA open post he will be taking bigs to the basket more easily.

[nelabai]

Well 240 is great for 6'8 PF, not a 7'1 PF. But i don't say he should add a lot of weight, he needs to work on his strength/explosiveness or he will get bullied a lot.

[LithuanianOne]

You say stacked. What you mean by stack? Scola is turning 32, PPat is playing like a bum. And D-Mo being 7'1" can play both play C and PF positions. I'm sure that he'll be getting atleast 25-35 mpg.

Motiejunas at this point is not better than Patterson. Not to mention Scola. And he surely ain't playing the C position as long as Sammy and Camby are there. He might see some time as a C in case of injuries but that would have detrimental effects for his team.

UcanUwill - I agree with most of your points and I don't see Donut as lord savior almighty but you're just being straight up hater. Calm down the heat - he is not a terrible basketball player. Plus he's constantly improving and with Mchale coaching him next years I expect Motiejunas to at least become a serviceable back up big on a play - off team. Which could mean that Lithuania will have a young, monster frontcourt in a couple of years.

[BillyGM]

You say stacked. What you mean by stack? Scola is turning 32, PPat is playing like a bum. And D-Mo being 7'1" can play both play C and PF positions. I'm sure that he'll be getting atleast 25-35 mpg.

Motiejunas at this point is not better than Patterson. Not to mention Scola. And he surely ain't playing the C position as long as Sammy and Camby are there. He might see some time as a C in case of injuries but that would have detrimental effects for his team.

UcanUwill - I agree with most of your points and I don't see Donut as lord savior almighty but you're just being straight up hater. Calm down the heat - he is not a terrible basketball player. Plus he's constantly improving and with Mchale coaching him next years I expect Motiejunas to at least become a serviceable back up big on a play - off team. Which could mean that Lithuania will have a young, monster frontcourt in a couple of years.

At this point Motiejunas is alot better than Scola and PPat, imo! Scola is 32 year old grandpa, PPat is dleague scrub who regressed and can't even dunk once this season. While Motiejunas are better at all components of the game.

[Regulio]

DMo is a very good prospect imo. He may have his weaknesses now, but he is very skilled for a big man, and that is a huge plus. And he is quite young. So in 4-5 years he has potential to be a solid starter in NBA imo. He is complete opposite of JV though

[Fenris-77]

At this point Motiejunas is alot better than Scola and PPat, imo! Scola is 32 year old grandpa, PPat is dleague scrub who regressed and can't even dunk once this season. While Motiejunas are better at all components of the game.

You're delusional. Motie isn't good enough to hold Scola's shorts right now. Maybe at some point, but right now he's a soft jump shooting rookie big who probably isn't strong or physical enough to play meaningful NBA minutes. The kid has skills mind you, and with some development could be quite good, but he's not there right now, and no amount of ranting and raving on your part will change that.

Maybe take some deep breaths or something, you seem tense.

[NiL8r87]

You say stacked. What you mean by stack? Scola is turning 32, PPat is playing like a bum. And D-Mo being 7'1" can play both play C and PF positions. I'm sure that he'll be getting atleast 25-35 mpg.

Motiejunas at this point is not better than Patterson. Not to mention Scola. And he surely ain't playing the C position as long as Sammy and Camby are there. He might see some time as a C in case of injuries but that would have detrimental effects for his team.

UcanUwill - I agree with most of your points and I don't see Donut as lord savior almighty but you're just being straight up hater. Calm down the heat - he is not a terrible basketball player. Plus he's constantly improving and with Mchale coaching him next years I expect Motiejunas to at least become a serviceable back up big on a play - off team. Which could mean that Lithuania will have a young, monster frontcourt in a couple of years.

At this point Motiejunas is alot better than Scola and PPat, imo! Scola is 32 year old grandpa, PPat is dleague scrub who regressed and can't even dunk once this season. While Motiejunas are better at all components of the game.

Better than Scola without having played a game in the NBA? Rofl

[kiriux]

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[Kastas]

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