Raptors NBA Draft Thread: Perry Jones

[DA_SCOUT]

Yea, and all those REAL scouts who are saying the same things about him.

But hey, you have the word scout in your user name so obviously you are legit.

Thanks man

[theSkinny]

No prob man, keep believing what you want.. Just realize accusing everyone else of being wrong when you are just being a blatant homer is not the best way to get your point across.

[Man of Steel]

Saying his only skill is scoring? That's pretty funny. Even if he doesn't pan out (I'm not sure he will), his ball-handling and court vision are already at similar level if not better than any of our starting players on the wings or at PF so even if his position is a question, he's ultimately more talented than whoever we have.

[cram]

I'd take Jones or Lamb. We're better off having a high-potential/high-risk than a mid-potential/low risk, IMO.

[fredericklove]

Saying his only skill is scoring? That's pretty funny. Even if he doesn't pan out (I'm not sure he will), his ball-handling and court vision are already at similar level if not better than any of our starting players on the wings.

Well...alot of team's wings' ball-handling and/or court vision are already better than any of our wing starters, so its no accomplishment if PJ3 is better at those two things than our ...lol our guys.

[Man of Steel]

Saying his only skill is scoring? That's pretty funny. Even if he doesn't pan out (I'm not sure he will), his ball-handling and court vision are already at similar level if not better than any of our starting players on the wings.

Well...alot of team's wings' ball-handling and/or court vision are already better than any of our wing starters, so its no accomplishment if PJ3 is better at those two things than our ...lol our guys.

True but it's surprised even me how many people aren't keen on a prospect like Lamb because we already have DeMar. That's the kind of thinking that will keep this team on the treadmill.
Scouts were raving about Jones' play-making and ball-handling in a practice they had some time last year.

[kingz32]

I used to be a big Perry Jones fan but he let me down just like he let his team down. He faded completely heading about 3 weeks into the tourney and even in the tourney he wasnt assertive and deferred a lot to his PG Pierre Jackson who had to score 16+points sometimes just for the team to have a fighting chance. I was more impressed in Quincy Acy as a prospect down the stretch than Jones III. Baylor ran a lot more plays for Acy down the strecth of the year than they did for Jones. Acy was the go-to-guy in the tournament. Jones III has a very passive and docile attitude, he looks like he has no heart and I cant help but see Anthony Randolph anytime I look at him.

[kingz32]

Saying his only skill is scoring? That's pretty funny. Even if he doesn't pan out (I'm not sure he will), his ball-handling and court vision are already at similar level if not better than any of our starting players on the wings.

Well...alot of team's wings' ball-handling and/or court vision are already better than any of our wing starters, so its no accomplishment if PJ3 is better at those two things than our ...lol our guys.

True but it's surprised even me how many people aren't keen on a prospect like Lamb because we already have DeMar. That's the kind of thinking that will keep this team on the treadmill.
Scouts were raving about Jones' play-making and ball-handling in a practice they had some time last year.

Lamb is skinny as dog poop, doesnt have an NBA ready body, he will get eaten alive playing defense. He has a great jump shot and compliments Demar well in the sense that he can actually shoot. However, he is not a very good penetrator and would rather shoot the mid-range jumpshot than look for contact in the lane. This is the same knock on Barnes, and this shouldnt be the case for Barnes because he really does have a strong muscular body. I dont want a situation where we have two guards who arent big enough to guard the leagues top talent while one of them is only good at driving while the other one is only good at shooting jump shots. We need a penetrating guard who can keep the defenses honest and when covered kick it out to Bargnani in the corner or a 3point shooting wing. This penetrating guard is Lillard.

[fredericklove]

Saying his only skill is scoring? That's pretty funny. Even if he doesn't pan out (I'm not sure he will), his ball-handling and court vision are already at similar level if not better than any of our starting players on the wings.

Well...alot of team's wings' ball-handling and/or court vision are already better than any of our wing starters, so its no accomplishment if PJ3 is better at those two things than our ...lol our guys.

True but it's surprised even me how many people aren't keen on a prospect like Lamb because we already have DeMar. That's the kind of thinking that will keep this team on the treadmill.
Scouts were raving about Jones' play-making and ball-handling in a practice they had some time last year.

So having lamb will keep this team on treadmill? And having PJ3 will not? Yeah in practice, but what about in an actual game? I've seen none of it when he's on the floor.

[fredericklove]

Lamb is skinny as dog poop, doesnt have an NBA ready body, he will get eaten alive playing defense. He has a great jump shot and compliments Demar well in the sense that he can actually shoot. However, he is not a very good penetrator and would rather shoot the mid-range jumpshot than look for contact in the lane. This is the same knock on Barnes, and this shouldnt be the case for Barnes because he really does have a strong muscular body. I dont want a situation where we have two guards who arent big enough to guard the leagues top talent while one of them is only good at driving while the other one is only good at shooting jump shots. We need a penetrating guard who can keep the defenses honest and when covered kick it out to Bargnani in the corner or a 3point shooting wing. This penetrating guard is Lillard.

Skinny but it doesn't mean he won't get stronger, he doesn't depend his game on strength, that shouldn't be a huge concern in the nba. He's not a good penetrator but he can handle the ball really well, he's a guy you can put the ball in his hand and not afraid he'll fumble the ball. So far we don't have anyone that can handle the ball at the wing. Lamb isn't strong enough yet but to say he isn't big enough...he's 6'5 at SG, that's the average NBA height, don't forget he has 6''11-7 wingspan to back his size up.

We can find a penetrating guard in the free agency, even if we don't find one, if Lamb drops to 8th, idk think anyone would think of passing him for the guy who has questionable game attitude and tweener style type of unmotivated wing, or an unknown prospect who's got college veteran numbers that never faced even one elite competition.

[Undefeated]

Just a little confused here, what is vertical quickness up and down the floor? Aren't the two perpendicular directions? or do you mean like forward sprinting?

Forward sprinting.

[kingz32]

Lamb is skinny as dog poop, doesnt have an NBA ready body, he will get eaten alive playing defense. He has a great jump shot and compliments Demar well in the sense that he can actually shoot. However, he is not a very good penetrator and would rather shoot the mid-range jumpshot than look for contact in the lane. This is the same knock on Barnes, and this shouldnt be the case for Barnes because he really does have a strong muscular body. I dont want a situation where we have two guards who arent big enough to guard the leagues top talent while one of them is only good at driving while the other one is only good at shooting jump shots. We need a penetrating guard who can keep the defenses honest and when covered kick it out to Bargnani in the corner or a 3point shooting wing. This penetrating guard is Lillard.

Skinny but it doesn't mean he won't get stronger, he doesn't depend his game on strength, that shouldn't be a huge concern in the nba. He's not a good penetrator but he can handle the ball really well, he's a guy you can put the ball in his hand and not afraid he'll fumble the ball. So far we don't have anyone that can handle the ball at the wing. Lamb isn't strong enough yet but to say he isn't big enough...he's 6'5 at SG, that's the average NBA height, don't forget he has 6''11-7 wingspan to back his size up.

We can find a penetrating guard in the free agency, even if we don't find one, if Lamb drops to 8th, idk think anyone would think of passing him for the guy who has questionable game attitude and tweener style type of unmotivated wing, or an unknown prospect who's got college veteran numbers that never faced even one elite competition.

I respectfully disagree and think that Golden State will draft Lamb to replace Ellis at SG leaving Lillard as the inevitable pick for us at #8 assuming the order stays the same with GS ahead of Toronto.

[fredericklove]

Lamb is skinny as dog poop, doesnt have an NBA ready body, he will get eaten alive playing defense. He has a great jump shot and compliments Demar well in the sense that he can actually shoot. However, he is not a very good penetrator and would rather shoot the mid-range jumpshot than look for contact in the lane. This is the same knock on Barnes, and this shouldnt be the case for Barnes because he really does have a strong muscular body. I dont want a situation where we have two guards who arent big enough to guard the leagues top talent while one of them is only good at driving while the other one is only good at shooting jump shots. We need a penetrating guard who can keep the defenses honest and when covered kick it out to Bargnani in the corner or a 3point shooting wing. This penetrating guard is Lillard.

Skinny but it doesn't mean he won't get stronger, he doesn't depend his game on strength, that shouldn't be a huge concern in the nba. He's not a good penetrator but he can handle the ball really well, he's a guy you can put the ball in his hand and not afraid he'll fumble the ball. So far we don't have anyone that can handle the ball at the wing. Lamb isn't strong enough yet but to say he isn't big enough...he's 6'5 at SG, that's the average NBA height, don't forget he has 6''11-7 wingspan to back his size up.

We can find a penetrating guard in the free agency, even if we don't find one, if Lamb drops to 8th, idk think anyone would think of passing him for the guy who has questionable game attitude and tweener style type of unmotivated wing, or an unknown prospect who's got college veteran numbers that never faced even one elite competition.

I respectfully disagree and think that Golden State will draft Lamb to replace Ellis at SG leaving Lillard as the inevitable pick for us at #8 assuming the order stays the same with GS ahead of Toronto.

Sure you can disagree, but Lamb's strength at 2 and lack of penetrating ability are considered minimal issues compared to PJ's tweener style, poor lateral quickness against the 3, inferior strength against the 4, lack of intensity and poor perimeter ability.

And of cos Lamb won't land 8th, that's the same reason why everyone's so depressed about losing the coin flip to GSW.

[DA_SCOUT]

No prob man, keep believing what you want.. Just realize accusing everyone else of being wrong when you are just being a blatant homer is not the best way to get your point across.

That's ridiculous to read especially from a Retired Mod, c'mon buddy I ain't trying to hurt your feelings. I simply stated a lot of people will be surprised that they weren't able to see how good he can be in the NBA. I didn't state everyone else is wrong , it might bother you but there are actually a lot of Raptor fans who think PJ III is the BPA at 8, so much so that 40+ % of whoever voted think he'll be our pick (voted 100%).

Also I am not a blatant homer, I've actually stated NUMEROUS times with fredrick and whoever on the draft thread that PJ III would be my pick ONLY if AD,MKG,TRob,Beal,Barnes are off the board. Does that make me a "blatant homer"?

[hazy_01]

No thanks to PJIII, he's more of a 4 than anything and I would rather aim for Sully if we are going for BPA.

[Waylon Mercy]

Beware of tweener forwards...they have a higher bust potential then tweener guards. With
that said I still like PJ3 at 8. My picks at 8 are 1. Lamb 2. PJ3 3. Sullinger 4. Rivers 5. Lillard

[Man of Steel]

So having lamb will keep this team on treadmill? And having PJ3 will not? Yeah in practice, but what about in an actual game? I've seen none of it when he's on the floor.

I think you misunderstood me. Lamb is my favorite prospect in this draft outside of the Brow. People have said we shouldn't take Lamb because he wouldn't be given playing time alongside DeMar, and THAT is the kind of thinking that would keep this team on the treadmill (trying to draft on a needs basis when we don't have enough talent).

[fredericklove]

So having lamb will keep this team on treadmill? And having PJ3 will not? Yeah in practice, but what about in an actual game? I've seen none of it when he's on the floor.

I think you misunderstood me. Lamb is my favorite prospect in this draft outside of the Brow. People have said we shouldn't take Lamb because he wouldn't be given playing time alongside DeMar, and THAT is the kind of thinking that would keep this team on the treadmill (trying to draft on a needs basis when we don't have enough talent).

Kay, my bad. I read it wrong. Needs are definitely not going to do us any good for sure. And it seems like BC emphasizes alot on drafting a SF cos we lack talent in that area...I hope we don't go on needs like you said, especially at our range where he'll look at PJ3...a guy who thinks he can play the SF

[Man of Steel]

Kay, my bad. I read it wrong. Needs are definitely not going to do us any good for sure. And it seems like BC emphasizes alot on drafting a SF cos we lack talent in that area...I hope we don't go on needs like you said, especially at our range where he'll look at PJ3...a guy who thinks he can play the SF

Personally I think PJ3 is one of those rare cases of a fit with enough upside that it could pan out into one of the best picks in the draft. Of course, a lot has to go right on draft night, with our coaching, and with PJ3's drive to play the game itself, so I can see why people aren't comfortable with him as our draft pick. As GM, I'm sure BC will be a lot better at analyzing the risks/rewards of the players available. Still got my fingers crossed we win the damn lottery and don't have to ask these questions.

[jigga_man]

Lamb is skinny as dog poop, doesnt have an NBA ready body, he will get eaten alive playing defense. He has a great jump shot and compliments Demar well in the sense that he can actually shoot. However, he is not a very good penetrator and would rather shoot the mid-range jumpshot than look for contact in the lane. This is the same knock on Barnes, and this shouldnt be the case for Barnes because he really does have a strong muscular body. I dont want a situation where we have two guards who arent big enough to guard the leagues top talent while one of them is only good at driving while the other one is only good at shooting jump shots. We need a penetrating guard who can keep the defenses honest and when covered kick it out to Bargnani in the corner or a 3point shooting wing. This penetrating guard is Lillard.

Skinny but it doesn't mean he won't get stronger, he doesn't depend his game on strength, that shouldn't be a huge concern in the nba. He's not a good penetrator but he can handle the ball really well, he's a guy you can put the ball in his hand and not afraid he'll fumble the ball. So far we don't have anyone that can handle the ball at the wing. Lamb isn't strong enough yet but to say he isn't big enough...he's 6'5 at SG, that's the average NBA height, don't forget he has 6''11-7 wingspan to back his size up.

We can find a penetrating guard in the free agency, even if we don't find one, if Lamb drops to 8th, idk think anyone would think of passing him for the guy who has questionable game attitude and tweener style type of unmotivated wing, or an unknown prospect who's got college veteran numbers that never faced even one elite competition.

I respectfully disagree and think that Golden State will draft Lamb to replace Ellis at SG leaving Lillard as the inevitable pick for us at #8 assuming the order stays the same with GS ahead of Toronto.

GS already have Klay Thompson penciled in as their starting 2. There was even a WT story about GS wanting Klay & Curry to share the backcourt. They won't be taking Lamb unless he seriously impresses in workouts.