Our best chance to get rid of STATue

NBA Fan 1234 · Post #121 » by **NBA Fan 1234** » Thu May 3, 2012 4:18 am

Smithers wrote:...Can we somehow get Odom for him?

Dallas isn't going to touch that contract. They're going after Williams and Howard.

RutgersBJJ · Post #122 » by **RutgersBJJ** » Thu May 3, 2012 4:45 am

ATL and Indy are our best options for trading Amar'e and not receiving pennies on the dollar. Both teams may need to shake up their roster after the 2012 playoffs. ATL may finally be ready to move on from Smith. A Smith and Williams for AMar'e swap is our best chance. Indy may think it needs a better scorer at the PF position than David West. Indy is under the cap this summer so we could send them more than they send us. West+filler for Amar'e gives Indy a top-line PF, it gives us a PF who better fits our team, both have serious injury concerns so neither team is adding significant risk, and it gives us a tiny bit of cap-space to offer Novak more than the minimum and make other slight improvements.

At the end of the day Amar'e still is a "star" he can bring box office attraction and we saw he can put up prolific numbers as a #1 option on a treadmill team as evident by the 2010-11 Knicks. Some team will be interested in that for the same reason Marbury was able to be traded to us, Iverson traded twice for good value, and even Monta Ellis was traded for a decent return even though he has never been involved in winning anything.

HarthorneWingo · Post #123 » by **HarthorneWingo** » Thu May 3, 2012 5:49 am

Dumb thread. Why would Deron Williams take himself out of the FA market? He can come here as a FA if he really wants to.

Amar'e is not being traded. His contract is uninsured. We just need a PG who knows how to distribute the ball. Nash and Lin would be a great combo, but I understand there are cap issue with Nash. That's who we should target and make room for.

knicksosmoove · Post #124 » by **knicksosmoove** » Thu May 3, 2012 8:12 am

RutgersBJJ wrote:ATL and Indy are our best options for trading Amar'e and not receiving pennies on the dollar. Both teams may need to shake up their roster after the 2012 playoffs. ATL may finally be ready to move on from Smith. A Smith and Williams for AMar'e swap is our best chance. Indy may think it needs a better scorer at the PF position than David West. Indy is under the cap this summer so we could send them more than they send us. West+filler for Amar'e gives Indy a top-line PF, it gives us a PF who better fits our team, both have serious injury concerns so neither team is adding significant risk, and it gives us a tiny bit of cap-space to offer Novak more than the minimum and make other slight improvements.

At the end of the day Amar'e still is a "star" he can bring box office attraction and we saw he can put up prolific numbers as a #1 option on a treadmill team as evident by the 2010-11 Knicks. Some team will be interested in that for the same reason Marbury was able to be traded to us, Iverson traded twice for good value, and even Monta Ellis was traded for a decent return even though he has never been involved in winning anything.

i really think josh smith is a horrible fit next to melo and tyson ... what you get with those three is three guys who want to play near the basket. and i like josh smith. he is very, very talented. but i don't see how he would work. he is best when he plays big. so is melo. really, jsmoove is the only other three in the league i would consider a "power three"

UnderdogKnicks · Post #125 » by **UnderdogKnicks** » Thu May 3, 2012 8:50 am

knicksosmoove wrote:At the end of the day Amar'e still is a "star" he can bring box office attraction and we saw he can put up prolific numbers as a #1 option on a treadmill team as evident by the 2010-11 Knicks. Some team will be interested in that for the same reason Marbury was able to be traded to us, Iverson traded twice for good value, and even Monta Ellis was traded for a decent return even though he has never been involved in winning anything.

i really think josh smith is a horrible fit next to melo and tyson ... what you get with those three is three guys who want to play near the basket. and i like josh smith. he is very, very talented. but i don't see how he would work. he is best when he plays big. so is melo. really, jsmoove is the only other three in the league i would consider a "power three"

Josh Smith isn't the ideal fit but hes a better fit and player than Amare and also he can actually play defense. We'll be (Please Use More Appropriate Word) to not trade for him Amare is a negative.

RutgersBJJ · Post #126 » by **RutgersBJJ** » Thu May 3, 2012 1:16 pm

Josh Smith is a talent on the rise around the league. He may not fit offensively (I disagree with that), but he will make us the best defensive team in the league and if it doesn't work he is a strongly valued asset compared to Amar'e which is depreciating rapidly.

I think Smith is a great fit for us. He is a combo forward who plays offense like a SF where-as Carmelo is a SF who plays offense like a PF.

Everybody knows Smith loves the 3 point shot no matter how terrible it is for his game, sit him in the corner, let him shoot 3's while Melo iso's.

Red Vines · Post #127 » by **Red Vines** » Thu May 3, 2012 3:19 pm

Ian O'Connor concurs with most of us: STAT must be traded this summer.

They need to trade Stoudemire, a guy who fit with the Mike D'Antoni Knicks of Danilo Gallinari and Wilson Chandler and Raymond Felton, a guy who no longer fits with the Mike Woodson Knicks of Carmelo Anthony and Tyson Chandler.

...

So the Knicks can find some fabulously rich and restless owner to take a shot on Stoudemire while returning a good-not-great player who would work inside the margins of Melomania. Oh, and this should be made clear: All in all, Amare isn't a bad guy, just a bad fit.

He should be thanked for the pre-Melo memories, and sent on his way.

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_ ... stoudemire

ORANGEandBLUE · Post #128 » by **ORANGEandBLUE** » Thu May 3, 2012 3:33 pm

It's really an empty gesture to say 'trade Stat' without specifying how little you're willing to receive for him. I doubt Ian O'Connor would support trading Stat for Duhon and Turkoglu.

Post #129 » by **GONYK** » Thu May 3, 2012 5:35 pm

ORANGEandBLUE wrote:It's really an empty gesture to say 'trade Stat' without specifying how little you're willing to receive for him. I doubt Ian O'Connor would support trading Stat for Duhon and Turkoglu.

Bingo. They bring up Arenas being traded like he wasn't exchanged for complete trash

TKF · Post #130 » by **TKF** » Thu May 3, 2012 5:59 pm

Amare is here to stay...

TKF · Post #131 » by **TKF** » Thu May 3, 2012 6:03 pm

RutgersBJJ wrote:Josh Smith is a talent on the rise around the league. He may not fit offensively (I disagree with that), but he will make us the best defensive team in the league and if it doesn't work he is a strongly valued asset compared to Amar'e which is depreciating rapidly.

I think Smith is a great fit for us. He is a combo forward who plays offense like a SF where-as Carmelo is a SF who plays offense like a PF.

Everybody knows Smith loves the 3 point shot no matter how terrible it is for his game, sit him in the corner, let him shoot 3's while Melo iso's.

josh smith didn't like iso joe and I am sure he will hate iso melo just as much... woodson and smith got into it a bit.. woodson didn't like josh long range scud missles... not a good fit I think...

knicksosmoove · Post #132 » by **knicksosmoove** » Thu May 3, 2012 6:04 pm

RutgersBJJ wrote:Josh Smith is a talent on the rise around the league. He may not fit offensively (I disagree with that), but he will make us the best defensive team in the league and if it doesn't work he is a strongly valued asset compared to Amar'e which is depreciating rapidly.

I think Smith is a great fit for us. He is a combo forward who plays offense like a SF where-as Carmelo is a SF who plays offense like a PF.

Everybody knows Smith loves the 3 point shot no matter how terrible it is for his game, sit him in the corner, let him shoot 3's while Melo iso's.

you really don't want to sit josh smith in the corner shooting threes. he is not a good shooter, at all. you will not win if you are depending on his shooting. josh is best playing inside because he is so big and athletic ... he is like melo in that regard (although, Josh can play even closer to the basket). I like Josh Smith's skill set (outside of his shooting) but he is redundant with carmelo

ORANGEandBLUE · Post #133 » by **ORANGEandBLUE** » Thu May 3, 2012 6:09 pm

TKF wrote:
RutgersBJJ wrote:Josh Smith is a talent on the rise around the league. He may not fit offensively (I disagree with that), but he will make us the best defensive team in the league and if it doesn't work he is a strongly valued asset compared to Amar'e which is depreciating rapidly.

I think Smith is a great fit for us. He is a combo forward who plays offense like a SF where-as Carmelo is a SF who plays offense like a PF.

Everybody knows Smith loves the 3 point shot no matter how terrible it is for his game, sit him in the corner, let him shoot 3's while Melo iso's.

josh smith didn't like iso joe and I am sure he will hate iso melo just as much... woodson and smith got into it a bit.. woodson didn't like josh long range scud missles... not a good fit I think...

Wouldn't be a problem because we don't play iso melo when our starting PG is healthy.

Kooz · Post #134 » by **Kooz** » Thu May 3, 2012 6:09 pm

Red Vines wrote:Ian O'Connor concurs with most of us: STAT must be traded this summer.

They need to trade Stoudemire, a guy who fit with the Mike D'Antoni Knicks of Danilo Gallinari and Wilson Chandler and Raymond Felton, a guy who no longer fits with the Mike Woodson Knicks of Carmelo Anthony and Tyson Chandler.

...

So the Knicks can find some fabulously rich and restless owner to take a shot on Stoudemire while returning a good-not-great player who would work inside the margins of Melomania. Oh, and this should be made clear: All in all, Amare isn't a bad guy, just a bad fit.

He should be thanked for the pre-Melo memories, and sent on his way.

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_ ... stoudemire

Easier said than done. I don't think there is an owner dumb enough to take Stoudemire off of our hands. Plus why would they want to help the Knicks?

Red Vines · Post #135 » by **Red Vines** » Thu May 3, 2012 6:13 pm

TKF wrote:Amare is here to stay...

If so Amar'e will have either redeemed himself or Donnie really **** up--twice--Pringles and Fire Extinguisher.

knicksosmoove · Post #136 » by **knicksosmoove** » Thu May 3, 2012 6:17 pm

they can trade amar'e ... the deals might not be so good, but they can move him ...

i think moving him for some of detroit's stuff is completely feasible ... we'd probably have to take back CV, but we could get him along with austin daye and ben gordon who are okay pieces

also, golden state would probably bite on lee + jefferson or biedrins for amar'e

these are not great deals because the knicks have to take back crap

would the magic do hedo/anderson for amar'e?

Orange Mamba · Post #137 » by **Orange Mamba** » Thu May 3, 2012 6:35 pm

knicksosmoove wrote:would the magic do hedo/anderson for amar'e?

Don't know if they would, but Ryan Anderson would definitely be the ideal starting PF for this team.

aggo · Post #138 » by **aggo** » Thu May 3, 2012 7:31 pm

Red Vines wrote:Ian O'Connor concurs with most of us: STAT must be traded this summer.

They need to trade Stoudemire, a guy who fit with the Mike D'Antoni Knicks of Danilo Gallinari and Wilson Chandler and Raymond Felton, a guy who no longer fits with the Mike Woodson Knicks of Carmelo Anthony and Tyson Chandler.

...

So the Knicks can find some fabulously rich and restless owner to take a shot on Stoudemire while returning a good-not-great player who would work inside the margins of Melomania. Oh, and this should be made clear: All in all, Amare isn't a bad guy, just a bad fit.

He should be thanked for the pre-Melo memories, and sent on his way.

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_ ... stoudemire

good.

We have to keep pushing this message. TRADE AMARE.

Everyday that I think about this more, the less I feel concerned/attached with Amare on this team. We have to explore alternative solutions. We need players that fit next to Melo.