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Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXIII: Offseason Edition)

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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXIII: Offseason Editio 

Post#421 » by WeAreVenom » Wed May 9, 2012 7:21 pm

MoMM wrote:
cedric76 wrote:not usre if it was posted
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/201 ... vos-family

The future of backup shooting guardJ.J. Redick, whose contract is unguaranteed for the 2012-13 season, meaning that the team would not owe him any money if it releases him before July 7.

I think there is no doubt about it, no mather who will run our team, we will pick his option.


I hope so.

JJ is one of the few players who can say that he lives up to his contract.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXIII: Offseason Editio 

Post#422 » by ADRajX » Wed May 9, 2012 7:22 pm

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DJRajX wrote:What Charles, Kenny, and Shaq are saying about coaches is so true... Stan (they didn't say his name) is not the kind of guy to sit someone that's getting "paid"... to sit someone like Duhon, Hedo, J-Rich, etc. ... Stan doesn't have the "guts" and respect to sit down those "paid" veteran guys when they are playing terribly.

Doc Rivers does it, Thibs does it, Phil does it, Pops does it... Stan doesn't

That really hit home to me... when the Inside the NBA website is updated with the video, I'll post it.

But man, that's so true.



The video is now available. http://www.nba.com/insidethenba/

The video is titled "The Impact Of Good Coaching".

Thank you :) ...I advise everyone to watch the whole show... there are other talking points I found interesting regarding the Magic
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXIII: Offseason Editio 

Post#423 » by WeAreVenom » Wed May 9, 2012 7:25 pm

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DJRajX wrote:What Charles, Kenny, and Shaq are saying about coaches is so true... Stan (they didn't say his name) is not the kind of guy to sit someone that's getting "paid"... to sit someone like Duhon, Hedo, J-Rich, etc. ... Stan doesn't have the "guts" and respect to sit down those "paid" veteran guys when they are playing terribly.

Doc Rivers does it, Thibs does it, Phil does it, Pops does it... Stan doesn't

That really hit home to me... when the Inside the NBA website is updated with the video, I'll post it.

But man, that's so true.



The video is now available. http://www.nba.com/insidethenba/

The video is titled "The Impact Of Good Coaching".

Thank you :) ...I advise everyone to watch the whole show... there are other talking points I found interesting regarding the Magic


Maybe I'm imagining it.........but it seems so obvious that they are talking about Stan.

They basically said the same things that we say on here. That he plays players based on reputation and loyalty, which, imo, is his only real fault.

It just happens to be a huge one.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXIII: Offseason Editio 

Post#424 » by cedric76 » Wed May 9, 2012 7:27 pm

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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXIII: Offseason Editio 

Post#425 » by ADRajX » Wed May 9, 2012 7:28 pm

Okay here's my thing with Adonal.

Remember Dwight's press conference where he waived his ETO, it was held just a few hours before the trade deadline (3pm, March 15th)... Otis Smith was up there sitting next to Dwight during the press conference... while that press conference was occurring, Magic management (reportedly) placed Adonal in the GM office in charge of making trades... while the press conference was happening, we missed out on getting Ramon Sessions (who was traded was basically NOTHING... Lakers got another steal)... then Camby was moved (a great expiring)... Barbosa was moved... Nene was moved... and G.Wallace was moved... ...not saying we could have got any of those guys, but we could have definitely traded for Sessions... Lakers gave away a bag of chips for him.

So that's my first impression of Adonal tbh.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXIII: Offseason Editio 

Post#426 » by ADRajX » Wed May 9, 2012 7:30 pm

WeAreVenom wrote:
DJRajX wrote:
arsenal6106 wrote:

The video is now available. http://www.nba.com/insidethenba/

The video is titled "The Impact Of Good Coaching".

Thank you :) ...I advise everyone to watch the whole show... there are other talking points I found interesting regarding the Magic


Maybe I'm imagining it.........but it seems so obvious that they are talking about Stan.

They basically said the same things that we say on here. That he plays players based on reputation and loyalty, which, imo, is his only real fault.

It just happens to be a huge one.

:nod:
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXIII: Offseason Editio 

Post#427 » by magicman123 » Wed May 9, 2012 7:32 pm

thats very unfair to place any blame on foyle, if anything he was the middle man and could of had deals done but needed permission, we don't know the story, we don't know if foyle was indeed acting as a gm, we don't know anything
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXIII: Offseason Editio 

Post#428 » by ADRajX » Wed May 9, 2012 7:33 pm

magicman123 wrote:thats very unfair to place any blame on foyle, if anything he was the middle man and could of had deals done but needed permission, we don't know the story, we don't know if foyle was indeed acting as a gm, we don't know anything


viewtopic.php?f=25&t=1173754

Sources close to the process said that Magic director of player development Adonal Foyle ran the teams’ trade deadline, interfacing with other teams on the Magic’s behalf.

Otis Smith’s contract gives him right of approval on all transactions, so he was in the loop on what was possible but his role in day to day has been radically scaled back.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/nba-am-the-ne ... um=twitter

Again, that's my first impression of him so far. I know Adonal is a very smart person. I'll reserve FULL judgement for next season, when he's had an entire season to do his job.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXIII: Offseason Editio 

Post#429 » by MoMM » Wed May 9, 2012 7:37 pm

Ok, lets blame Adonal for his 1 hour job as a GM... come on!

Probably Otis just told him "If D12 changes his mind again during the conference, just calls NJ's GM and accept the deal, ok?".
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXIII: Offseason Editio 

Post#430 » by magicman123 » Wed May 9, 2012 7:47 pm

so you wanna judge him by 1 hour of work in which we know nothing about? what if foyle agreed to a duhon for sessions trade but management didn't want to add more salary this year? we know absolutely nothing about what went on in that hour, otis said he wasn't planning on making any trades, foyle could of been ordering sushi and was ordered to not discuss basketball related issues
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXIII: Offseason Editio 

Post#431 » by Neato » Wed May 9, 2012 7:47 pm

At least Foyle has his personal finances in order. Hopefully this translates somewhat to good management of the team's budget.

"Guys talk about having to have this car and that car, but I tell them, 'One car is plenty for me. I grew up riding a donkey,'" Foyle told the newspaper. "When you grow up with so little, it teaches you discipline. And you learn not to want for what you don't need. You learn how to do with what you have. It's a lesson a lot of guys in the NBA need to learn because this is an unrealistic way to live your life."


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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXIII: Offseason Editio 

Post#432 » by Reverse_Angle » Wed May 9, 2012 7:52 pm

how smart or capable foyle is not relevant, unfortunately. if this franchise wants a change in organizational culture, it has got to be an outside hire.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXIII: Offseason Editio 

Post#433 » by ADRajX » Wed May 9, 2012 7:53 pm

magicman123 wrote:so you wanna judge him by 1 hour of work in which we know nothing about? what if foyle agreed to a duhon for sessions trade but management didn't want to add more salary this year? we know absolutely nothing about what went on in that hour, otis said he wasn't planning on making any trades, foyle could of been ordering sushi and was ordered to not discuss basketball related issues

Again... it was just an initial impression... I'll reserve FULL judgement when he has completed an entire season on the job. Why do I have to keep repeating myself? I've said that a few times already on this page, lol :)

MoMM wrote:Ok, lets blame Adonal for his 1 hour job as a GM... come on!

Probably Otis just told him "If D12 changes his mind again during the conference, just calls NJ's GM and accept the deal, ok?".

Again, I'm not blaming him entirely... I'm just saying it's my first impression of him as an acting GM, and it's not a good one... I'll still give him the benefit of the doubt if he becomes GM and he has a full season under his belt on the job... but whether it was for hour or longer, that was just my initial reaction to him... but there are OTHER reasons why I'm not too sure why he should be our new GM... one of them being we need someone with EXPERIENCE.

Even you (and many others) would have to agree with that... in fact, I think everyone did for the most part:

If Adonal Foyle is our next GM you will?
http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=1173754

MoMM wrote:I think he was one of the NBPA directors, right?

But i dont think its a good idea to have him as our GM, maybe Ast. GM. Thats a good position to start his FO career, IMO.

Having another guy from Golden State scares me. :evil:

Foyle was born in Canouan, St. Vincent and the Grenadines. At the age of 15, Foyle was adopted by Joan and Jay Mandle, professors at Colgate University. In 1999, Foyle graduated from Colgate magna cum laude with a history degree.

Otis Gotta Go wrote:Burn the Amway to the ground. We need someone with experience and who doesn't spend his spare time publishing poetry. Give me a great basketball mind!

craig01 wrote:It would have the potential to be another damaging blunder.

My preference is for an experienced GM.....I think the Magic have proven time and time again that OJT for new GM's is an absolutely dimwitted move.

mattyBoi wrote:Might be the last straw for me.

ChildishGambino wrote:I was going to go with either an experienced GM or a young one with their Head on straight.....If Isaiah Thomas can be a GM sure as hell Adonal can be one.....Comparison to Thomas is not including his GM resume just the fact he he was a GM......

Magic#1 wrote:Foyle is a great guy, but a high FO position doesn't totally equate to being GM. They can promote him without making him the GM. Maybe it happens, but I still think we'd hire someone with experience.

PigsEatHam wrote:If Adonal Foyle is our next GM, I will (in this order)

--roll my eyes
--visit this board
--read the doom-and-gloom rants
--read the sensible, sober-minded posts attempting to spin the move in as positive a light as possible
--walk away from the computer and have an apple (if morning) or a microbrew (if evening)
--bore my wife to death about the news
--then, after she tells me she doesn't really care, but she's sorry my team stresses me out, then I'll sit down and hope for the best, as I always do, because that's all I can do: hope for the best.

Or, maybe I'll just throw something.


And that's just Page 1 of that thread. It goes on for the next 3 pages.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXIII: Offseason Editio 

Post#434 » by G-Heel » Wed May 9, 2012 7:54 pm

If Foyle is anything like otis, I do not want him.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXIII: Offseason Editio 

Post#435 » by ADRajX » Wed May 9, 2012 7:55 pm

Reverse_Angle wrote:how smart or capable foyle is not relevant, unfortunately. if this franchise wants a change in organizational culture, it has got to be an outside hire.

+1 ... an outside hire with experience
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXIII: Offseason Editio 

Post#436 » by magicman123 » Wed May 9, 2012 7:59 pm

i heard foyle had a duhon for jamal crawford deal lined up but alex martin rejected the deal, so i think foyle is the GOAT
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXIII: Offseason Editio 

Post#437 » by ADRajX » Wed May 9, 2012 8:01 pm

magicman123 wrote:i heard foyle had a duhon for jamal crawford deal lined up but alex martin rejected the deal, so i think foyle is the GOAT

wait are you being serious, or joking... I can't tell lol ... did he truly have a deal in place like that? .. dang
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXIII: Offseason Editio 

Post#438 » by The Real Dalic » Wed May 9, 2012 8:02 pm

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magicman123 wrote:i heard foyle had a duhon for jamal crawford deal lined up but alex martin rejected the deal, so i think foyle is the GOAT

wait are you being serious, or joking... I can't tell lol ... did he truly have a deal in place like that? .. dang

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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXIII: Offseason Editio 

Post#439 » by ADRajX » Wed May 9, 2012 8:03 pm

The Real Dalic wrote:
DJRajX wrote:
magicman123 wrote:i heard foyle had a duhon for jamal crawford deal lined up but alex martin rejected the deal, so i think foyle is the GOAT

wait are you being serious, or joking... I can't tell lol ... did he truly have a deal in place like that? .. dang

It's magicman123, it's a joke.

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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXIII: Offseason Editio 

Post#440 » by magicman123 » Wed May 9, 2012 8:03 pm

DJRajX wrote:
magicman123 wrote:i heard foyle had a duhon for jamal crawford deal lined up but alex martin rejected the deal, so i think foyle is the GOAT

wait are you being serious, or joking... I can't tell lol ... did he truly have a deal in place like that? .. dang


no its my first impression, crawford said he wanted to play for orlando, at the deadline orlando was linked to crawford, so im just blaming alex on this one, of course thats my judgement

sorry Dj just messing with you :D

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