Official NBA Playoffs Thread

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Oh wow, McGee got dunked by Kobe... He must suck.

And he can't shut down Bynum either... He can't play for a winning team.

I think Javale is eventually going to make folks eat their words.

Sooner than later is when that will happen.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

McGee isn't doing anything he didn't do here. When he starts playing smart/tough basketball then people can start saying he is proving people wrong.

Funny how people gloat when he has a +/- of +30 but ignore the same stat when he has the worst +/- on the team, as he did last night and during the season.

McGee is a soft, low IQ player. That didn't suddenly change because of a couple of good games. The fact that the guy who was playing behind him (Seraphin) isn't soft or low IQ makes letting Mcgee go an easy call.

Nerd numbers game splits is the most accurate representation I know of a player's effect on wins or losses. The basketball stat geeks at Wages of Win came up with it using a lot of mathematics. It blows away +/- and anything else I have ever seen, any where, in saying who gives value or who takes value in the form of points over 48 minutes.

http://www.nerdnumbers.com/splits?team= ... F09%2F2012

This 5 games played between Denver and the Lakers, Andre Miller and Javale McGee are virtually carrying the Nuggets, with Faried also having a positive impact.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Oh wow, McGee got dunked by Kobe... He must suck.

And he can't shut down Bynum either... He can't play for a winning team.

I think Javale is eventually going to make folks eat their words.

The fact he tried to block Kobe by going thru the basket is what I'm getting at

And getting dunked on by old Kobe isn't good

JaVale had 21 and 12 and played better than Bynum so good for him. The Nuggets will win this series now

What I took from this game is that Bynum talked a bunch before the game and Javale more than shut him up ... in LA at that.

McGee pushed back and played HUGE in this game. McGee used his ability to grab area rebounds and Javale also out to grab rebounds, including a spectacular one-handed rebound. McGee's game spoke and Bynum was the guy who ended up getting called out this game. Andrew Bynum was silenced.

Timofey Mozgov deserves an assist for physically wearing down Andrew Bynum. Mozgov has strength that Javale does not, and starting him allowed him to physically match Bynum. George Karl dialed up a winning game plan bringing McGee in against a tired Bynum and an overmatched Jordan Hill. Mozgov made it all possible by staying out of foul trouble in LA.

As for the series, Denver is getting stronger each game and the Lakers are getting weaker, particularly with Kobe starting to feel he has to do it all.

I will actually be shocked if Denver doesn't win game 6, probably going away. They won in LA with some miserable shooting from all their perimeter players, except Miller. Kobe had 43 and they still won. Denver is going to run the legs off of LA in Denver.

[Severn Hoos]

Oh wow, McGee got dunked by Kobe... He must suck.

And he can't shut down Bynum either... He can't play for a winning team.

I think Javale is eventually going to make folks eat their words.

Don't worry, we won't rub it in too harshly, Dat.


Actually, I'm pretty ambivalent about JaVale. Two things I am very confident of: He would never play to that level on the Wiz (though I agree he could on a team like the Nuggets), and he will be overpaid regardless. Because of that, I'm still happy about the trade.

[Ruzious]

Oh wow, McGee got dunked by Kobe... He must suck.

And he can't shut down Bynum either... He can't play for a winning team.

I think Javale is eventually going to make folks eat their words.

The fact he tried to block Kobe by going thru the basket is what I'm getting at

And getting dunked on by old Kobe isn't good

JaVale had 21 and 12 and played better than Bynum so good for him. The Nuggets will win this series now

What I took from this game is that Bynum talked a bunch before the game and Javale more than shut him up ... in LA at that.

McGee pushed back and played HUGE in this game. McGee used his ability to grab area rebounds and Javale also out to grab rebounds, including a spectacular one-handed rebound. McGee's game spoke and Bynum was the guy who ended up getting called out this game. Andrew Bynum was silenced.

Timofey Mozgov deserves an assist for physically wearing down Andrew Bynum. Mozgov has strength that Javale does not, and starting him allowed him to physically match Bynum. George Karl dialed up a winning game plan bringing McGee in against a tired Bynum and an overmatched Jordan Hill. Mozgov made it all possible by staying out of foul trouble in LA.

As for the series, Denver is getting stronger each game and the Lakers are getting weaker, particularly with Kobe starting to feel he has to do it all.

I will actually be shocked if Denver doesn't win game 6, probably going away. They won in LA with some miserable shooting from all their perimeter players, except Miller. Kobe had 43 and they still won. Denver is going to run the legs off of LA in Denver.

If Javale plays consecutive good games, only then will I be impressed. So far, that hasn't happened. Bynum has played well every game, and you need consistency to be great in pro sports... and most other things.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Ruz, Bynum has dominated offensively.

Was Bynum playing well when McGee was dunking on him and beating him down the court, repeatedly, in LA? Did Bynum play well when McGee was grabbing all those rebounds and scoring all those points in the fourth in Game 5? If you recorded the game, I would suggest you watch Bynum's last quarter. His defense and effort level was bad.

Also, Bynum's technical for shoving Faried in the back, as well as his pre-game braggadocio have put undue stress amongst his teammates and pressure on himself. Bynum might be dominating at times but he's also causing people to root against him, and possibly influencing officiating to not go his way.

Javale does need to show up in Denver, and I suspect he will, Ruz.

An observation I made in the Denver/LAL series game thread on the General Board is that even though he doesn't slow Bynum, McGee gets rebounds and also converts well against Andrew, historically. This series is holding true to form. McGee is not dominant like Bynum, but McGee is coming up huge at times for the Nuggets.

[tontoz]

Oh wow, McGee got dunked by Kobe... He must suck.

And he can't shut down Bynum either... He can't play for a winning team.

I think Javale is eventually going to make folks eat their words.

Sooner than later is when that will happen.

Since you said Seraphin was better than Mcgee i guess you will be chowing down too, right?

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

double post

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Oh wow, McGee got dunked by Kobe... He must suck.

And he can't shut down Bynum either... He can't play for a winning team.

I think Javale is eventually going to make folks eat their words.

Sooner than later is when that will happen.

Since you said Seraphin was better than Mcgee i guess you will be chowing down too, right?

tontoz, you are the type of guy who likes to pick one thing, blow it up, start crap, and fester like a cancer until you get the worst out of people.

What you contribute best at is sniping and trying to discredit. You are good at it. I said what I said. You pull up the post. Blow it up and try to embarrass me because you are that type of guy.

Bottom line is you are mad at McGee's success. Seraphin is not a better rebounder than McGee but he is a way better post scorer and a way better post defender and the Wizards played way better with him at C than with McGee at C. Seraphin is not a 7 footer who can do what McGee does without trying.

The thing I said repeatedly was before the Wizards traded McGee they should have played him with Kevin. However, the trade appeared to go so well with Seraphin going on a streak of double figure games and Nene having a great attitude, that I decided to be happy with it provided Nene stays healthy. Kevin Seraphin seems like a great find and he's a player who will be solid. Who knows what he will be with physical improvements and experience.

The Javale/Kevin comparison is one where I think I have repeatedly said they could play together, just like McGee is playing with Faried.

[tontoz]

I am not mad a McGee's "success". I am mad a people spamming the board with complete nonsense.

McGee has had two good playoff games. That doesn't mean he is suddenly a better player now than he was here. It also isn't vidication for people who dislike the trade.

If Nene's production falls off a cliff and his contract becomes an albatross then THAT will be vindication for people who were against the trade.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Look, I apologize for being too keyed up, tontoz.

The things I concede is these: Javale has proven inconsistent from game to game. I think he is very much the same player--one who lacks awareness on pick-and-roll, and one who I'm seeing more and more as having some challenges other than physical. He is the same guy.

My guess about Javale is he is going to get support he no longer had in DC when bridges were burned, prior to him being traded. Instead of playing in front of Seraphin and both of them being wet behind the ears (despite Javale's years in the league) now McGee is one of three 7-footers, but he's the freak athlete. He's playing next to an energetic Faried. While Javale is the same guy, HE IS HAPPY TO BE IN DENVER and they are happy with him. They know his limitations, already.

McGee IMO will get stronger and eventually, become powerful like Bynum. He is going to be a dominant C for many years in the league. I think he's going to be better than Chandler is now.

As for Nene, that man can play! I just worry about his health and ability to continue to be a role model through the length of the season. Seraphin provides some depth, but I would like the Wizards to add another good, tall, big man. I think Tyler Zeller would be perfect in a trade down.

[Ruzious]

Ruz, Bynum has dominated offensively.

Was Bynum playing well when McGee was dunking on him and beating him down the court, repeatedly, in LA? Did Bynum play well when McGee was grabbing all those rebounds and scoring all those points in the fourth in Game 5? If you recorded the game, I would suggest you watch Bynum's last quarter. His defense and effort level was bad.

Also, Bynum's technical for shoving Faried in the back, as well as his pre-game braggadocio have put undue stress amongst his teammates and pressure on himself. Bynum might be dominating at times but he's also causing people to root against him, and possibly influencing officiating to not go his way.

Javale does need to show up in Denver, and I suspect he will, Ruz.

An observation I made in the Denver/LAL series game thread on the General Board is that even though he doesn't slow Bynum, McGee gets rebounds and also converts well against Andrew, historically. This series is holding true to form. McGee is not dominant like Bynum, but McGee is coming up huge at times for the Nuggets.

For future reference, I don't record any games, so ya don't need to ask me. I said Bynum has played well in every game, and I think his stats back that up. His stats would likely be better if Kobe wouldn't take 30 plus shots a game and pass him the ball more. I said I'll be impressed if Javale plays 2 straight good games. I didn't realize that was setting such a high standard for him. But if he does, I'll give him props. If he gets consistent, you're going to see me giving him props.

[cdouglas]

Who had the biggest impact between JaVale and Seraphin on the Wizards' win against the Lakers? I liked JaVale's height, ability to fly and blocks but I think I prefer Seraphin's body type to creat problems, physical toughness and defense. Also I would like to consider the timeframe of each players experience in the NBA. JaVale has more experience than Seraphins years so we're only seeing a small portion of what Seraphin can do if he stays healthy. JaVale has a length advantage but Seraphin has the width and the stronger legs to holds his own.

Seraphin will be training with more weights and it will be interesting to see what he's made of next season.

[closg00]

What stars do the Pacers have?

The Pacers won't get past the 2nd round of the playoffs.

Perhaps, they did better than expected against the Bulls even-though they got swept. I think they might fly under the radar this-year.

Looking forward to the Heat vs Pacers match-up. During the season, the Pacers won the last time they met and the time before the Pacers lost in OT.

[Dat2U]

tontoz, you are the type of guy who likes to pick one thing, blow it up, start crap, and fester like a cancer until you get the worst out of people.

What you contribute best at is sniping and trying to discredit. You are good at it. I said what I said. You pull up the post. Blow it up and try to embarrass me because you are that type of guy.

Tontoz = canker sore. Sorry, Tontoz not trying to be a total ass. I kid but it's true lol. You are good at what you do. And you would make a good lawyer.

[queridiculo]

Asik showing what he's made off tonight. Not that it really matters at this point, but I would have been perfectly content with letting McGee go and making a serious run at Asik this coming offseason.

Edit: Lol, way to jinx the poor guy. Terrible decision by Watson in that situation but man, all he needed was to make at least one free throw...

[tontoz]

The Hawks are hard for me to watch any more. I used to think they would wise up and play smarter as they got more experience. Nope

Josh Smith in particular is just so frustrating to watch. After all these years he still thinks he can shoot. Watching him take step back jumpers off the dribble is just.....

They have a lot of guys who can shoot 3s and they play good D. They should have no problem against Boston but their BBIQ just kills them.

[7-Day Dray]

For future reference, I don't record any games, so ya don't need to ask me. I said Bynum has played well in every game, and I think his stats back that up. His stats would likely be better if Kobe wouldn't take 30 plus shots a game and pass him the ball more. I said I'll be impressed if Javale plays 2 straight good games. I didn't realize that was setting such a high standard for him. But if he does, I'll give him props. If he gets consistent, you're going to see me giving him props.

He has played 2 straight good games.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

That was a great finish for Philly to close out the Bulls. Asik missed two FTs, but he had at least showed up for the Bulls. Boozer did nothing for them. At the other end, Iguodala hit two FTs to win it.

I was happy to see Doug Collins coach a team to a playoff series win, the first time he's done that since 1989, his last season with the Bulls. Collins has done a nice job with the Sixers.

[tontoz]

Two dumb possessions in a row by the Hawks in crunch time.



Edit: And then Smith takes a fadeaway long 2 with 10 seconds left.