Raptors NBA Draft Thread: Perry Jones

[DA_SCOUT]

Said one assistant GM: "There is going to be a point in the first round where someone is going to say, 'I'm nervous about him, but he by far is the best talent.' "

If Lamb is gone, I can see BC being the GM to think the same way.

[DG88]

I've questioned PJ3 heart and mental toughness. It's what I don't like about him the most. The talent and tools are there for him to be great but if he doesn't have the mental fortitude he'll flop. From the article Rhett posted it seems like he wants to change his image as a mentally soft player. Let's hope he does because he's in our range with the 8th pick and we know BC like to go for high upside guys who are athletic.

[JYD]

I really hope he forces his name into the discussion...he's so athletically gifted that even a decent work ethic should result in a good career for him. If he can guard the 3 then all the better too. If Casey feels like he's the kind of guy he can guide and develop then it would be tough to pass on his level of upside, only AD and Drummond are in the same physical class.

[DG88]

PJ III workout/interview with ford. Wish there was more of his workout, and more of him shooting a 3.
Enjoy.

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=7971046

I found this from Chad Ford's insider article off SB Nation

Jones wowed early. He's unusually quick and fluid for a player his size. While he's not a lights-out shooter, he's got a nice stroke and knocked down 7-of-15 from NBA 3-point range in one drill. He's also a solid ball handler for his size and looked very comfortable running all the drills on the perimeter. What was most impressive was his explosiveness in the paint. When Jones hit the lane, he blasted off the ground for a number of thunderous, highlight-reel dunks.

http://dallas.sbnation.com/2012/5/25/30 ... draft-2012

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Said one assistant GM: "There is going to be a point in the first round where someone is going to say, 'I'm nervous about him, but he by far is the best talent.' "

If Lamb is gone, I can see BC being the GM to think the same way.

No I can't, there are just too many guys with good motors and lots of upside, and who play a natural position rather than leave you guessing where they can contribute most - or harm you the least.

I'm very skeptical we'd draft Jones or Lamb.

[Undefeated]

Man, it's hard for a player to change his mentality, so I'm not a huge fan of PJ3. He said the same thing in his freshman year and nothing has changed in his sophomore year. And I doubt it will change once he's drafted.

[DA_SCOUT]

I found this from Chad Ford's insider article off SB Nation

Jones wowed early. He's unusually quick and fluid for a player his size. While he's not a lights-out shooter, he's got a nice stroke and knocked down 7-of-15 from NBA 3-point range in one drill. He's also a solid ball handler for his size and looked very comfortable running all the drills on the perimeter. What was most impressive was his explosiveness in the paint. When Jones hit the lane, he blasted off the ground for a number of thunderous, highlight-reel dunks.

http://dallas.sbnation.com/2012/5/25/30 ... draft-2012

Great find DG88!

I still firmly believe the Anthony Randolph comparison is whack. Though in the Chad Ford interview I thought he was going a bit overboard with the Durant/McGrady comparison. Slow down young fella, let's not jump the gun, why don't you show us the real PJ III first.

[JYD]

No I can't, there are just too many guys with good motors and lots of upside, and who play a natural position rather than leave you guessing where they can contribute most - or harm you the least.

I'm very skeptical we'd draft Jones or Lamb.

This is news to me..who has lots of upside in this draft outside of Lamb/Jones and isn't a projected top 3 pick? If anything this draft is solid but incredibly unspectacular if you're searching for high ceiling players.

[Aidin]

"I don't like that guy. I don't. I don't," Jones told Yahoo! Sports after a workout at Peak Performance Project here this week. "That guy from last season didn't do too well. He didn't do too well at all. I feel like I got a lot to prove. I got a lot of expectations. I want to be successful.
"I want to be an All-Star at the end of the day. Not just be a player who plays a couple of years or a could've been, should've been. I want to be an All-Star."

http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--dr ... ml#more-id

[DG88]

I found this from Chad Ford's insider article off SB Nation

Jones wowed early. He's unusually quick and fluid for a player his size. While he's not a lights-out shooter, he's got a nice stroke and knocked down 7-of-15 from NBA 3-point range in one drill. He's also a solid ball handler for his size and looked very comfortable running all the drills on the perimeter. What was most impressive was his explosiveness in the paint. When Jones hit the lane, he blasted off the ground for a number of thunderous, highlight-reel dunks.

http://dallas.sbnation.com/2012/5/25/30 ... draft-2012

Great find DG88!

I still firmly believe the Anthony Randolph comparison is whack. Though in the Chad Ford interview I thought he was going a bit overboard with the Durant/McGrady comparison. Slow down young fella, let's not jump the gun, why don't you show us the real PJ III first.

He still needs to change his mentality. Like Undefeated posted above he said the same thing about changing his mentality going into his sophomore season but wet the bed again. There's a reason why there's so much doubt when it comes to drafting this guy.

[Aidin]

"I don't like that guy. I don't. I don't," Jones told Yahoo! Sports after a workout at Peak Performance Project here this week. "That guy from last season didn't do too well. He didn't do too well at all. I feel like I got a lot to prove. I got a lot of expectations. I want to be successful.
"I want to be an All-Star at the end of the day. Not just be a player who plays a couple of years or a could've been, should've been. I want to be an All-Star."

http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--dr ... ml#more-id

[DA_SCOUT]

He still needs to change his mentality. Like Undefeated posted above he said the same thing about changing his mentality going into his sophomore season but wet the bed again. There's a reason why there's so much doubt when it comes to drafting this guy.

Fair enough. At 8 I have Lamb/PJ III/ Lillard / Anyone Mufasa dislikes

My question to you and Undefeated is: if Lamb is off the board and we are drafting 8th.. Who do you take, and why?

Assuming 1-7 consists of: Davis, Beal,MKG,Robinson,Barnes,Drummond,Lamb.

[DG88]

He still needs to change his mentality. Like Undefeated posted above he said the same thing about changing his mentality going into his sophomore season but wet the bed again. There's a reason why there's so much doubt when it comes to drafting this guy.

Fair enough. At 8 I have Lamb/PJ III/ Lillard / Anyone Mufasa dislikes

My question to you and Undefeated is: if Lamb is off the board and we are drafting 8th.. Who do you take, and why?

Assuming 1-7 consists of: Davis, Beal,MKG,Robinson,Barnes,Drummond,Lamb.

I'll have a better view of who'd be in our range after the lottery and after a few workouts. Right now in no particular order these are the guys I see us possibly picking with the 8th pick: Dion Waiters, Perry Jones III, Damian Lillard and Jared Sullinger. The safest pick are Lillard and Sullinger, while Waiters and Jones III are the high risk high reward. From what Dwane Casey said at the end of season presser he's looking for shooters and veterans, and he wants to increase the tempo to get easier baskets. If we use that as a template for who the Raptors end up picking, Lillard and Jones III would probably be the picks, since they can play up tempo and are quick and athletic. Both players can shoot as well. Still until we know our position and how workout might change where certain guys get picked, it's hard to say who we'll take.

[JamesNaismith]

The thing about Perry Jones is....


You had to know that he would get rave reviews (it should only be a surprise to those who doubted he could be a SF) in the combine because he's ALWAYS had incredible physical gifts and had great talent which is very easy to display in individual workouts; the problem with Perry is when it's time to play in real games!


So the problem will be does he get the right coaching staff to learn how to get the best out of him as he's certainly not going to be the one to push himself. He always has the same song and dance how the next year he's going to look to dominate etc etc....problem is he just coasts/disappears. In addition to needing to be a SF he's going to need a coach that finds a way to run plays that keep PJ3 mentally in a game but how is the million dollar question....

I said it before I have faith in Casey that he can do it because he's an excellent coach but it is a bit unfair that I think a lot of what PJ3 becomes will lie on the shoulders of his coach.

[Man of Steel]

Great find DG88!

I still firmly believe the Anthony Randolph comparison is whack. Though in the Chad Ford interview I thought he was going a bit overboard with the Durant/McGrady comparison. Slow down young fella, let's not jump the gun, why don't you show us the real PJ III first.

I don't think he's jumping the gun, he said in an earlier interview that he doesn't really compare himself with NBA players much but in terms of length he likened himself to KD/TMac.
No matter how much he has underwhelmed, he's supposed to say stuff like he said in the video (something along the lines of being a #1 pick), I'm sure his agent's prepped him in what he should say in interviews.

I'm just glad this recent "revival" of his draft stock (which everyone expected given how well he's done in previous workouts) was for the most part able to silence the people saying he's a tweener and not a small forward.

[DG88]

Great find DG88!

I still firmly believe the Anthony Randolph comparison is whack. Though in the Chad Ford interview I thought he was going a bit overboard with the Durant/McGrady comparison. Slow down young fella, let's not jump the gun, why don't you show us the real PJ III first.

I don't think he's jumping the gun, he said in an earlier interview that he doesn't really compare himself with NBA players much but in terms of length he likened himself to KD/TMac.
No matter how much he has underwhelmed, he's supposed to say stuff like he said in the video (something along the lines of being a #1 pick), I'm sure his agent's prepped him in what he should say in interviews.

I'm just glad this recent "revival" of his draft stock (which everyone expected given how well he's done in previous workouts) was for the most part able to silence the people saying he's a tweener and not a small forward.

Well Jones said in his interview with Ford that he sees himself as 3/4

[chyau.00]

as long as he can guard the 3, he can play the '4' in offence, especially with bargnani playing like a 2.

[FluLikeSymptoms]

I think that there is a 50% chance he'll be very good in 50% of the court, 50% of the time.

[neurotik]

Based on what I've seen of PJ3, he is gonna suck balls. He has no motor, just coast through games and that will get him killed in the NBA. Also he doesn't really have a defined position which will really hurt him defensively. Bigger 4 will eat him alive and faster 3's will torch him.

[fredericklove]

Perry is a good rebounder and if JV is a good rebounder they wre a great pairing to sadwich around bargs.

Since when was Perry Jones III a good rebounder?

he's not a great rebounder but he put up a respectable 7.7 rpg. Positionally (if he plays the 3 as he states he wants to) that is above average for an SF. He's got the length to do it, the instincts aren't perfect but it can be worked on with the tools he has.

The thing is that 7.7 rpg is the number resulted from playing as a 4 in college, so clearly you can't use that number to incorporate it for a SF. Playing at the 4 had made him play so much closer to the basket/in the paint but he didn't take any advantage of his length and size and athleticism to dominate the glass. So 7.7 rpg from a PF@college is actually below avg.