Raptors NBA Draft Thread: Perry Jones

bboyskinnylegs · Post #241 » by **bboyskinnylegs** » Sat May 26, 2012 2:11 am

I wanted him last year when we were picking much higher, so I'd definitely be ok with drafting him at 8, depending on who else is available (I'd probably take Lamb over him if he's still there). I think he can be like a prime Rashard Lewis from his Sonics days (back when he played SF), except with better quickness/athleticism. If the other guys left when we're drafting are Sullinger/Lillard/Rivers, etc, then I'd much rather go for the high upside pick in PJIII, I think Casey can get the best out of him.

Crazy-Canuck · Post #242 » by **Crazy-Canuck** » Sat May 26, 2012 2:45 am

Only if he showed that he could play SF during workouts where he actually went up against other SF prospects.

JPHolling · Post #243 » by **JPHolling** » Sat May 26, 2012 3:02 am

could be an interesting 4/5 combo with Val. or if he could be a true 3 in the league even better.
Im predicting he goes ahead of raptors pick though... He was designed to be amazing in workouts

JamesNaismith · Post #244 » by **JamesNaismith** » Sat May 26, 2012 3:06 am

JPHolling wrote:could be an interesting 4/5 combo with Val. or if he could be a true 3 in the league even better.
Im predicting he goes ahead of raptors pick though... He was designed to be amazing in workouts

Exactly what I'm hoping for.

That should ensure either Barnes or Lamb falls to us.

Waylon Mercy · Post #245 » by **Waylon Mercy** » Sat May 26, 2012 9:30 am

The biggest red flag about Jones is not his motor but the fact that he couldn't hit the College 3
let alone the NBA 3. I think we all agree hes best suited to play SF in the NBA based on his skillset.

But if Jones is a non existent 3 point shooter as a SF then that means you can throw out all
Durant, Gay, George, Beasley, etc comparisons. If Colangelo falls in love with him then that
means he'd be willing to trade DeRozan for a shooter or like PJ3 as a project/bench player
or trade bait. I don't see Colangelo going that route does anybody else?

BillyGM · Post #246 » by **BillyGM** » Sat May 26, 2012 1:42 pm

Two NBA general managers are torn on whether to select Perry Jones III in the upcoming draft.

"That sort of talent doesn't come along very often," one GM said after watching Jones showcase his versatility in a workout this week. "As I was watching the workout, I thought you finally got to see what a freed-up Perry Jones could do if a coach just lets him be himself. He could be a dominant, and I mean dominant, forward with his size, athletic ability and skill set. I think he's a hard worker and will be a much better contributor if you give him the chance to be himself. I'd have no concerns drafting him in the top five. He could be a home run of a pick."

Jones, a 6-foot-11, 235 pound forward, has drawn comparison to Lamar Odom.

"Of all the guys that are in your top 10, I'd have the hardest time taking him," another GM said. "I know he wants to be a 3, but I don't think he does anything that we ask our 3s to do that is special. He's not a great shooter. He doesn't have a great handle. He's not an aggressive defender. He's got great size and athleticism, but he's not skilled enough. That means he'll end up being a stretch 4, which is a euphemism for a guy who doesn't have a position.

"Could he be great? Sure. But I think he's a major project and a major risk. There are safer picks in the top 10 with very good upsides. I think there's a good chance that he slides in the draft as people continue to wrestle with who he is."

Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/22 ... z1vw5b7pxe

Haisan · Post #247 » by **Haisan** » Sat May 26, 2012 3:33 pm

Good catch, and it sums up how I feel about Jones. 10% chance he could be incredible. 10% chance he could be Yi Jianlian. 80% chance he'll tease you with one or two really good games every ten, but mostly half-asses it. Aka, Bargnani 2: Chucking Boogaloo.

Post #248 » by **Undefeated** » Sat May 26, 2012 3:38 pm

Waylon Mercy wrote:The biggest red flag about Jones is not his motor but the fact that he couldn't hit the College 3
let alone the NBA 3. I think we all agree hes best suited to play SF in the NBA based on his skillset.

But if Jones is a non existent 3 point shooter as a SF then that means you can throw out all
Durant, Gay, George, Beasley, etc comparisons. If Colangelo falls in love with him then that
means he'd be willing to trade DeRozan for a shooter or like PJ3 as a project/bench player
or trade bait. I don't see Colangelo going that route does anybody else?

For all the praise about Perry Jones III's ball-handling, I didn't really see it in college either. He did play a lot of minutes at the 4 spot, but the times he did play the 3 when Quincy Miller was shifted to the 4 for whatever reasons, that ball-handling and court-vision was only on display in transition. Not once did I see him attack the paint from the perimeter with his handles. And he doesn't really have any moves either. I think JamesNaismith put it best in another thread by saying he's looking good right now because he hasn't gone up against any other top SF prospects yet. Until then, I don't really care what I hear.

Tofubeque · Post #249 » by **Tofubeque** » Sat May 26, 2012 6:15 pm

"Of all the guys that are in your top 10, I'd have the hardest time taking him," another GM said. "I know he wants to be a 3, but I don't think he does anything that we ask our 3s to do that is special. He's not a great shooter. He doesn't have a great handle. He's not an aggressive defender. He's got great size and athleticism, but he's not skilled enough. That means he'll end up being a stretch 4, which is a euphemism for a guy who doesn't have a position."

Sounds like BC's kind of guy.

CAN PLAY MULTIPLE POSITIONS

Man of Steel · Post #250 » by **Man of Steel** » Sat May 26, 2012 7:48 pm

Curious to hear which players you guys would rate ahead of PJ3 and why. I'd take Davis, Beal, and TRob hands down (all will likely be able to contribute immediately while growing into great players) but I'd think twice if faced with a decision between PJ3 and one of MKG, Drummond, and Lamb (all of them have huge upside). IMO he edges over Barnes and Sullinger (while I believe they will contribute well early on, I don't think their upside even comes close to some of the other guys I mentioned).

Post #251 » by **FluLikeSymptoms** » Sat May 26, 2012 8:33 pm

"Of all the guys that are in your top 10, I'd have the hardest time taking him," another GM said. "I know he wants to be a 3, but I don't think he does anything that we ask our 3s to do that is special. He's not a great shooter. He doesn't have a great handle. He's not an aggressive defender. He's got great size and athleticism, but he's not skilled enough. That means he'll end up being a stretch 4, which is a euphemism for a guy who doesn't have a position."

"Not skilled enough" is an interesting quote. I think that he would easily be skilled enough to play 3 in other eras. The 3 really has become a glossy position these days, along with the 1. Seems like just yesterday that the league was dominated by 2s and 4s, plus Shaq or Yao. 3s were used to guard both and hustle, maybe shoot. Skill level would be way farther down the list. Now, 1s and 3s are running things along with the rare dominant pivots who always give you a chance to win.

For example, the Lakers haven't had a top SF or PG, offensively or defensively, since Worthy and Magic, which was fine in the late 90s and 00s but now they're out-of-date. The game has passed them by, despite the talent level of Kobe, Pau and Bynum. I don't even think that Pau is a PF anymore.

The Spurs used to be a 2/4 team with Parker as 3rd wheel save a Finals series. Now, they've shifted the focus to Parker, who happens to be their best player now, and they've been scrambling for a SF for the past few years with Jefferson, James Anderson, and then Kawhi. Danny Green looks good, but Kawhi is a stud who they'll slow-play into a low contract like they're doing with Splitter.

The Spurs adjusted their focus, still have the pivot that the Lakers have, and haven't lost in who remembers when. The Lakers are home, pointing fingers.

I think that we need to make any significant investment in the 1 or 3 very carefully, is all. Hoping that a PF or SG can make the switch would be a mistake, as would be investing in 2-way mediocrity. I love that we already have the 2-way pivot in transit, however, the player who can get you over in any era.

Brinbe · Post #252 » by **Brinbe** » Sat May 26, 2012 8:58 pm

People never learn their lesson... one glowing article from Chad Ford of all people and you're ready to believe again? **** outta here. Just helllll no to Perry Jones.

notagenius · Post #253 » by **notagenius** » Tue May 29, 2012 5:50 pm

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Perry-Jones-Video-Scouting-Report-3928/

new video from draftexpress on pj3

can someone recap, no sound here at work

Post #254 » by **DG88** » Tue May 29, 2012 7:36 pm

fabolous88 wrote:http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Perry-Jones-Video-Scouting-Report-3928/

new video from draftexpress on pj3

can someone recap, no sound here at work

It's pretty much music, but the highlights just look at his strengths and weaknesses

team edward · Post #255 » by **team edward** » Tue May 29, 2012 7:49 pm

Tofubeque wrote:Sounds like BC's kind of guy.

CANNOT EFFECTIVELY PLAY ANY POSITION

I caught a typo in your post.

God Squad · Post #256 » by **God Squad** » Wed May 30, 2012 5:35 pm

DA_SCOUT wrote:
Said one assistant GM: "There is going to be a point in the first round where someone is going to say, 'I'm nervous about him, but he by far is the best talent.' "

If Lamb is gone, I can see BC being the GM to think the same way.

comet883 · Post #257 » by **comet883** » Thu May 31, 2012 12:34 am

I think now that the raps are stuck at 8 he's the pick

DA_SCOUT · Post #258 » by **DA_SCOUT** » Thu May 31, 2012 12:48 am

Ive actually become more of a Lillard fan than a PJ III fan over the last couple months. Cheers to BC picking the BPA at 8, I think we should all be confident he will.

chuckerz · Post #259 » by **chuckerz** » Thu May 31, 2012 2:53 am

The danger with PJ3 is that he didn't really improve statistically this year as compared to last year, although he did play about 3 minutes less this year than last year. If he couldn't improve at the college level, would he really improve at the NBA level??? But then again, the NBA is different from NCAA and PJ3's game is probably more suited to play in a faster pace NBA setting.

ballislife · Post #260 » by **ballislife** » Thu May 31, 2012 3:09 am

I don't want any part of PJIII... he's going to be a decent role player, but nothing more than that. If he had the midst of someone like Lillard or Rivers, I'd take him in a heartbeat. He doesn't have that "it" factor... I'd honestly be more pleased with drafting Lillard, Marshall, or Rivers at 8.

If still on the Board by our pick what are the chanches we draft him?