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Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXV: Offseason Edition)

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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXV: Offseason Edition) 

Post#461 » by pogiro » Sun Jun 3, 2012 4:56 am

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kasedafk_1 wrote:why do people want shaw? he hasn't done anything. i still want sloan.


That's not true, he lost out on a coaching job to the mighty, mighty Mike Brown, so at least he's done that. I can't even begin to fathom why anybody would want Shaw over Sloan. If Dwight won't play for one of the all-time greats, then ship his ass out pf town. He's worn out his welcome, anyway, as far as I'm concerned.


You don't need Dwight's disapproval to steer clear of Jerry Sloan who is 70 years old, and reached the Finals twice in his 32 year coaching career and lost them both. But I'm not saying Jerry Sloan would be bad. I'm just saying it's reasonable to want to go in another direction.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXV: Offseason Edition) 

Post#462 » by magic111 » Sun Jun 3, 2012 5:04 am

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kasedafk_1 wrote:why do people want shaw? he hasn't done anything. i still want sloan.


That's not true, he lost out on a coaching job to the mighty, mighty Mike Brown, so at least he's done that. I can't even begin to fathom why anybody would want Shaw over Sloan. If Dwight won't play for one of the all-time greats, then ship his ass out pf town. He's worn out his welcome, anyway, as far as I'm concerned.


You have worn out your welcome guy.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXV: Offseason Edition) 

Post#463 » by DaveMustaine » Sun Jun 3, 2012 5:37 am

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kasedafk_1 wrote:why do people want shaw? he hasn't done anything. i still want sloan.


That's not true, he lost out on a coaching job to the mighty, mighty Mike Brown, so at least he's done that. I can't even begin to fathom why anybody would want Shaw over Sloan. If Dwight won't play for one of the all-time greats, then ship his ass out pf town. He's worn out his welcome, anyway, as far as I'm concerned.


You don't need Dwight's disapproval to steer clear of Jerry Sloan who is 70 years old, and reached the Finals twice in his 32 year coaching career and lost them both. But I'm not saying Jerry Sloan would be bad. I'm just saying it's reasonable to want to go in another direction.


Fair point, but I would suggest that the Jazz were never the most talented teams, and faced off against some of the greatest teams that this league has ever seen. I think viewing Sloan's career simply as having "never won the championship," isn't truly indicitive of his contributions to the game.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXV: Offseason Edition) 

Post#464 » by DaveMustaine » Sun Jun 3, 2012 5:41 am

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DaveMustaine wrote:
kasedafk_1 wrote:why do people want shaw? he hasn't done anything. i still want sloan.


That's not true, he lost out on a coaching job to the mighty, mighty Mike Brown, so at least he's done that. I can't even begin to fathom why anybody would want Shaw over Sloan. If Dwight won't play for one of the all-time greats, then ship his ass out pf town. He's worn out his welcome, anyway, as far as I'm concerned.


You have worn out your welcome guy.



I'm sorry you feel that way. I'm not trying to piss anyone off, but if reading an alternative opinion to yours really bothers you that bad, then maybe you should write down your opinions on a piece of paper and just read that.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXV: Offseason Edition) 

Post#465 » by OrlandO » Sun Jun 3, 2012 5:43 am

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magic111 wrote:You have worn out your welcome guy.

I'm sorry you feel that way. I'm not trying to piss anyone off, but if reading an alternative opinin to yours really bothers you that bad, then maybe you should write down your opinion on a piece of paper and just read that.

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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXV: Offseason Edition) 

Post#466 » by Def Swami » Sun Jun 3, 2012 5:44 am

OrlandO wrote:
DaveMustaine wrote:
magic111 wrote:You have worn out your welcome guy.

I'm sorry you feel that way. I'm not trying to piss anyone off, but if reading an alternative opinin to yours really bothers you that bad, then maybe you should write down your opinion on a piece of paper and just read that.

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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXV: Offseason Edition) 

Post#467 » by arsenal6106 » Sun Jun 3, 2012 5:51 am

I would prefer Sloan over Shaw. However, I also want a coach we can all our own 5 years down the road. Sloan will forever be associated with the Jazz.

I hate to sound repetitive, but I don't want Nate on this damn team.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXV: Offseason Edition) 

Post#468 » by IGotDaMagicInMe » Sun Jun 3, 2012 6:44 am

I don't know what to say if we f up on our gm AND Coach hirings. . .seriously, jerry sloan has come out and said hes interested, so is shaw so why shouldnt we end up with either of those guys? And if we end up with Bower too. . . :nonono:
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Post#469 » by Ahmadab » Sun Jun 3, 2012 12:43 pm

Apparently Shaw is "waiting" for the Magic to offer him the job
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXV: Offseason Edition) 

Post#470 » by ChildishGambino » Sun Jun 3, 2012 1:33 pm

what is it with shaw and our team? I know he used to play for us but everyone keeps telling me it's more than just that.....he must really like our team/Organization
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXV: Offseason Edition) 

Post#471 » by pogiro » Sun Jun 3, 2012 1:34 pm

DaveMustaine wrote:Fair point, but I would suggest that the Jazz were never the most talented teams, and faced off against some of the greatest teams that this league has ever seen. I think viewing Sloan's career simply as having "never won the championship," isn't truly indicitive of his contributions to the game.


Eh, he had one of the 5 best PGs in the history of the NBA and one of the top 3 PFs in the history of the NBA for their entire careers. If that's not enough, I don't want an aged Jerry Sloan coaching the Magic through a roster overhaul that the Magic are going to go through in the next two years.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXV: Offseason Edition) 

Post#472 » by dwightsmight12 » Sun Jun 3, 2012 2:00 pm

Shaw just makes too much sense. I agree that hiring a GM first is a proper way to go about things, but when there's a young, players coach that Dwight apparently wants on the table, you seal that deal first. If that said GM doesn't present Shaw in his plan in the interview, then you don't hire him, simple as that. I can't imagine a guy like Pritchard or Weaver not agreeing Shaw is the guy.

I mean honestly, we should make a list of realistic candidates for our HC job that would be better than Shaw. It'd be a short list
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXV: Offseason Edition) 

Post#473 » by magicman123 » Sun Jun 3, 2012 2:28 pm

I don't know if shaw is the answer, but I can tell you Sloan is not, the game has passed him by, he's over 70, too old school for these new players, in 40 years he's never won a championship and reached the finals what twice? Good coach but he doesn't fit in with what we need to do, we need a championship coach or a young guy that can relate to the game today, add in the fact we may have to rebuild? You don't want an old school coach that doesn't relate and might be retired in 2 years, don't like the fit
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXV: Offseason Edition) 

Post#474 » by trebone » Sun Jun 3, 2012 2:58 pm

magicman123 wrote:I don't know if shaw is the answer, but I can tell you Sloan is not, the game has passed him by, he's over 70, too old school for these new players, in 40 years he's never won a championship and reached the finals what twice? Good coach but he doesn't fit in with what we need to do, we need a championship coach or a young guy that can relate to the game today, add in the fact we may have to rebuild? You don't want an old school coach that doesn't relate and might be retired in 2 years, don't like the fit



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Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXV: Offseason Edition) 

Post#475 » by MagicTownBaller » Sun Jun 3, 2012 4:11 pm

I just read that the Orlando Magic were going to be interviewing Nate McMillan. I thought we were waiting for the GM to do that.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXV: Offseason Edition) 

Post#476 » by trebone » Sun Jun 3, 2012 4:15 pm

MagicTownBaller wrote:I just read that the Orlando Magic were going to be interviewing Nate McMillan. I thought we were waiting for the GM to do that.


I did as well but that makes me think they already have their gm in mind. I just hope its not bower, but then again it could mean they are really confident on pritchard and know he has a good history with nate mcmillian.
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Post#477 » by PeePee la Fritz » Sun Jun 3, 2012 4:25 pm

I'm not really opposed to a Pritchard/McMillan combo, but I do believe if this is the route we go then Dwight is a goner. I think Dwight is a goner anyway (just my opinion, and I hope I am wrong) but I feel like a Shaw/Lindsey or Weaver combo is the only shot we got at keeping him. As much as I respect both Pritchard and McMillan I would ask Alex the same questions Dwight probably would:

*How many championships did they win?
*How many times did they make it to the finals?
*How many times did they make it to the western conference finals?
*Why did Portland decided to fire both of them if they were doing such a great job at getting the Blazers to a championship level?

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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXV: Offseason Edition) 

Post#478 » by magic111 » Sun Jun 3, 2012 4:35 pm

magicfan84 wrote:
MagicTownBaller wrote:I just read that the Orlando Magic were going to be interviewing Nate McMillan. I thought we were waiting for the GM to do that.


I did as well but that makes me think they already have their gm in mind. I just hope its not bower, but then again it could mean they are really confident on pritchard and know he has a good history with nate mcmillian.



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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXV: Offseason Edition) 

Post#479 » by MaxFischer » Sun Jun 3, 2012 4:47 pm

magicman123 wrote:I don't know if shaw is the answer, but I can tell you Sloan is not, the game has passed him by, he's over 70, too old school for these new players, in 40 years he's never won a championship and reached the finals what twice? Good coach but he doesn't fit in with what we need to do, we need a championship coach or a young guy that can relate to the game today, add in the fact we may have to rebuild? You don't want an old school coach that doesn't relate and might be retired in 2 years, don't like the fit


Hubie Brown had some success with the Grizzlies when he took over. Not sure if Sloan is the answer or not but to say the game has passed him by is short-sighted. I think a lot depends on the team. They either "buy in" to the coach or not. That will determine success. Not his age.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXV: Offseason Edition) 

Post#480 » by glennathan » Sun Jun 3, 2012 4:57 pm

MaxFischer wrote:
magicman123 wrote:I don't know if shaw is the answer, but I can tell you Sloan is not, the game has passed him by, he's over 70, too old school for these new players, in 40 years he's never won a championship and reached the finals what twice? Good coach but he doesn't fit in with what we need to do, we need a championship coach or a young guy that can relate to the game today, add in the fact we may have to rebuild? You don't want an old school coach that doesn't relate and might be retired in 2 years, don't like the fit


Hubie Brown had some success with the Grizzlies when he took over. Not sure if Sloan is the answer or not but to say the game has passed him by is short-sighted. I think a lot depends on the team. They either "buy in" to the coach or not. That will determine success. Not his age.


+1 great example using Hubie Brown. He did a fantastic job with Memphis even getting them to their first playoff series with a bunch of young players at that.

The only reason that Sloan is not a multi-championship coach is because of MJ & the crew I have a feeling that if the Jazz play ANY other team in those series then Jazz have two championship banners. Just my opinion.

On a side note, where did people see that ORL was interviewing Nate McMillan?
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