2012 NBA Draft - Part IV

closg00 · Post #1381 » by **closg00** » Fri Jun 8, 2012 2:54 pm

MKG on his shot

“I mean, I’m working harder and harder on it each an every day, but it’s there,” he said. “Y’all just didn’t see my little stroke. I got a stroke.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/wi ... story.html

If anyone can fix a bad shot it's MKG.

Nivek · Post #1382 » by **Nivek** » Fri Jun 8, 2012 3:01 pm

nate33 wrote:Holy crap, Andre Drummond is LONG! 6-11.75 in shoes. 7-6.5 wingspan.

Quincy Miller has great length too. 9-1 standing reach

Austin Rivers has terrible size. 8-1 standing reach. His shoulders must attach to his torso somewhere near his kidneys.

Drummond's standing reach is right at average for a drafted center.

Nivek · Post #1383 » by **Nivek** » Fri Jun 8, 2012 3:02 pm

Rafael122 wrote:I disagree, he's a two guard. MKG is 6'5.75 in socks, 6'7.5'' in shoes, has a 7 inch wing span and 8'8.5'' reach. So put that in perspective, Beal is three inches shorter and their wingspans are close.

Anthony Davis has a 9 inch standing reach...and he's 7 inches taller than Beal, perspective.

MKG's standing reach is average for a drafted SF. Beal's is 2.5 inches below average for a drafted SG.

Nivek · Post #1384 » by **Nivek** » Fri Jun 8, 2012 3:03 pm

nate33 wrote:Tyler Zeller has a terrible standing reach of 8-8. That's weird since he's over 7 feet in shoes with a 7-foot wingspan.

The comparison of Sullinger and Robinson is odd. Both guys are 6-7.75 in socks. Robinson has an amazing 7-3.25 wingspan and Sullinger's wingspan is a respectable 7-1.25. But Sullinger has a one-inch greater standing reach. It's like his shoulders are mounted on top of his torso instead of on the sides.

Zeller has the standing reach of a SF.

Post #1385 » by **nate33** » Fri Jun 8, 2012 3:03 pm

Nivek wrote:
nate33 wrote:Holy crap, Andre Drummond is LONG! 6-11.75 in shoes. 7-6.5 wingspan.

Quincy Miller has great length too. 9-1 standing reach

Austin Rivers has terrible size. 8-1 standing reach. His shoulders must attach to his torso somewhere near his kidneys.

Drummond's standing reach is right at average for a drafted center.

Interesting. Another low shoulders guy. Davis' standing reach is even lower: 9-0. Though Davis has the skills to play PF.

Nivek · Post #1386 » by **Nivek** » Fri Jun 8, 2012 3:05 pm

Yeah, Davis is a PF and his standing reach is a couple inches above average for that position. I'm a little surprised he didn't measure out longer than that.

Post #1387 » by **nate33** » Fri Jun 8, 2012 3:06 pm

Nivek, from looking at your YODA data, do you have a sense whether standing reach or wingspan is more influential? And in particular, I'm curious about guards. My intuitive sense is that standing reach is more important for bigs but wingspan may be more important for guards and wings.

pcbothwel · Post #1388 » by **pcbothwel** » Fri Jun 8, 2012 3:13 pm

nate33 wrote:Nivek, from looking at your YODA data, do you have a sense whether standing reach or wingspan is more influential? And in particular, I'm curious about guards. My intuitive sense is that standing reach is more important for bigs but wingspan may be more important for guards and wings.

I agree Nate. I have always thought this just like I believe that 2 foot power jumpers (i.e. Dwight Howard, Jason Richardson, etc.) are better for bigman and 1 foot jumpers/striders are better for guards.

Post #1389 » by **nate33** » Fri Jun 8, 2012 3:16 pm

Poor Robbie Hummel. He was a great college player but with his standing reach of 8-5.5, he has no hope at all of playing PF and he is well undersized (and underquick) to play the SF position.

Post #1390 » by **nate33** » Fri Jun 8, 2012 3:21 pm

pcbothwel wrote:
nate33 wrote:Nivek, from looking at your YODA data, do you have a sense whether standing reach or wingspan is more influential? And in particular, I'm curious about guards. My intuitive sense is that standing reach is more important for bigs but wingspan may be more important for guards and wings.

I agree Nate. I have always thought this just like I believe that 2 foot power jumpers (i.e. Dwight Howard, Jason Richardson, etc.) are better for bigman and 1 foot jumpers/striders are better for guards.

Guys with similar wingspans to Bradley Beal:

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Name            Year   HTnoSH     HTwSH      Weight  Span     Reach 
Bradley Beal     2012   6'3.25"    6'4.75"            6'8"     8'3"  
Brandon Roy      2006   6'5.25"    6'6.25"    207     6'8"     8'5"  
Rudy Fernandez   2005   6'4.75"    6'6"       172     6'7.5"   8'5.5"
Corey Brewer     2007   6'6.75"    6'7.75"    185     6'8.25"  8'7"  
Evan Turner      2010   6'5.75"    6'7"       214     6'8"     8'7.5"

20MexicanosIn1Van · Post #1391 » by **20MexicanosIn1Van** » Fri Jun 8, 2012 3:30 pm

What is YODA?

closg00 · Post #1392 » by **closg00** » Fri Jun 8, 2012 3:30 pm

What were Jeremy Lambs measurements? :devil:

cleek+wall · Post #1393 » by **cleek+wall** » Fri Jun 8, 2012 3:40 pm

Kansas forward Thomas Robinson could be a good fit alongside third-year center DeMarcus Cousins, but the buzz that Washington will take him at No. 3 remains strong (that is, of course, if Charlotte opts for Kentucky small forward Michael Kidd-Gilchrist at No. 2).

O well.I really want beal..although , Trob is going to bea beast crashing the boards

sfam · Post #1394 » by **sfam** » Fri Jun 8, 2012 3:42 pm

Nivek wrote:
Rafael122 wrote:I disagree, he's a two guard. MKG is 6'5.75 in socks, 6'7.5'' in shoes, has a 7 inch wing span and 8'8.5'' reach. So put that in perspective, Beal is three inches shorter and their wingspans are close.

Anthony Davis has a 9 inch standing reach...and he's 7 inches taller than Beal, perspective.

MKG's standing reach is average for a drafted SF. Beal's is 2.5 inches below average for a drafted SG.

Hmm, what are the implications of Beal's shorter size? I'm fairly confident that his rebounding prowess will still carry over in the NBA. I'm not sure this matters unless he fares poorly on the agility drills. If he's a subpar, short athlete, I can see some risk. If he comes out average, or hopefully, slightly better than average, I don't see a real worry here. His hands are at least decent size, and my guess is he still gets off enough shots without worry of being blocked.

Nivek · Post #1395 » by **Nivek** » Fri Jun 8, 2012 3:45 pm

nate33 wrote:Nivek, from looking at your YODA data, do you have a sense whether standing reach or wingspan is more influential? And in particular, I'm curious about guards. My intuitive sense is that standing reach is more important for bigs but wingspan may be more important for guards and wings.

I've found standing reach to be the most important length measurement regardless of position.

sfam · Post #1396 » by **sfam** » Fri Jun 8, 2012 3:45 pm

closg00 wrote:What were Jeremy Lambs measurements?

6'4" in socks; 6'5.25" in shoes; 179 lbs; 6'11" wingspan; 8'5" standing reach

7-Day Dray · Post #1397 » by **7-Day Dray** » Fri Jun 8, 2012 3:46 pm

And Drummond just compared himself to Kevin Durant lol.

pcbothwel · Post #1398 » by **pcbothwel** » Fri Jun 8, 2012 3:48 pm

I think another thing about Beal is that he is already 202lbs at 6% body fat. Thats less body fat than John jenkins, Henson, MKG, and Doron Lamb. I expect he will gain between 5-8% in weight over the next 4-5 years (avg for most players with his measurements and age).

A 6'4 - 6'5, 215 lbs 2-guard with a 6'8 wingspan is not undersized. He is the same size as John Wall, if not slightly bigger. No many of us feel that John Wall could not hold up defensively vs 2's. While Wall is more explosive and a little longer, Beal is a little taller and much stonger. And remember, Wall was almost a full year older (19 turning 20) than Beal is (18 turning 19) for their class.

Nivek · Post #1399 » by **Nivek** » Fri Jun 8, 2012 3:50 pm

sfam wrote:
Nivek wrote:
Rafael122 wrote:I disagree, he's a two guard. MKG is 6'5.75 in socks, 6'7.5'' in shoes, has a 7 inch wing span and 8'8.5'' reach. So put that in perspective, Beal is three inches shorter and their wingspans are close.

Anthony Davis has a 9 inch standing reach...and he's 7 inches taller than Beal, perspective.

MKG's standing reach is average for a drafted SF. Beal's is 2.5 inches below average for a drafted SG.

Hmm, what are the implications of Beal's shorter size? I'm fairly confident that his rebounding prowess will still carry over in the NBA. I'm not sure this matters unless he fares poorly on the agility drills. If he's a subpar, short athlete, I can see some risk. If he comes out average, or hopefully, slightly better than average, I don't see a real worry here. His hands are at least decent size, and my guess is he still gets off enough shots without worry of being blocked.

His length measurement is only one piece of information. His statistical indicators of athleticism (rebounding, blocks) would suggest good athleticism since he wasn't getting by on a size advantage.

Also worth keeping in mind that Beal turns 19 on draft day. Growth plates usually close at age 21, so it's likely he has some more growing to do.

Mizerooskie · Post #1400 » by **Mizerooskie** » Fri Jun 8, 2012 3:51 pm

Assuming for a second we could get NO's #10 pick, who would you target?

Based on these measurements, I'd be all over Sullinger. Size and athleticism are his biggest concerns. Considering he measured out longer than Thomas Robinson, I'd say the size concern is alleviated.

A draft of Beal + Sullinger would massively improve the BB IQ, polish, and skill of the team.