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Raptors NBA Draft Thread: Damian Lillard (POR)

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If still on the Board by our pick what are the chanches we draft him?

100%
27
25%
90%
5
5%
80%
8
8%
70%
10
9%
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8
8%
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14
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10
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10%
15
14%
 
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Re: Raptors NBA Draft Thread: Damian Lillard 

Post#421 » by Micrew18 » Sat Jun 9, 2012 2:12 am

cdel00 wrote:Micrew great observations :)

I agree Lillard isn't an outstanding passer, and at times misses opportunities to make a pass that's open outside of the play he's running.

DX vids did a great job showing that.


Thanks man! I totally agree with what you were saying before too.

JamesNaismith wrote:I'm being cautious with falling into the hype with Lillard.


Not saying he won't be good....I like everything I see too BUT also keep in mind he's around the age of DeMar and Davis. He should be dominating younger players as he should be further along in his development than them; which may be good or bad. Problem is no one will know that until he hits the league and plays against more guys his age and obviously of a MUCH higher calibre than he's faced at Weber.


I also see where your coming from... and tbh i hated Lillard before. Thought he was overrated and every time i saw a mock have the Raptors taking him instead of Lamb for example I cringed... but listen to what people say about this guy. One of the DX videos like cdel00 was talking about had an interview with Weber State's coach (his name escapes my mind right now) he bluntly said Lillard is a better person than player. He also had praise for his work ethic. A player at any age coming into the draft with great mechanics, shooting, athleticism and work ethic should always have hype. Lillard doesn't strike me as a cocky player that has to have the ball in his hands to be effective. He was a great spot up shooter and like I said, is an underrated passer. Sure he has flaws in his game, but they all can be worked on with his work ethic and DC's leadership. It's not as if his form is poor or he's not athletic.
The competition part I laugh at sometimes. Albeit a notoriously weak conference, these guys are not pylons. Players on Sky Conference teams who most likely won't make the NBA and know it don't just lay down to do nothing... they always go hard. They play for the love of the game because they know they won't be making money out of it, at least not in the NBA.... Anytime you have sometime playing with heart against you its good competition and Lillard dominated them. Put him in the ACC and sure he probably scores only 15 points a game, but the package is still there... his mechanics, his ability to shoot, his athleticism.

All in all Lillard is a guy worth the hype, a good character and most importantly, he's willing to grow and become better in weaker areas of his game. With a draft class from 8-20 with very similar players I think you take him and grow him into a leader and the future PG. He has the potential to be a player that in 5 years you look back and say, man Lillard should have been drafted higher. Worst case I think for Lillard is a solid starter- or even 6th man, that can score, pass to the open guy and be respectable on the defensive end. Best case- I think someone already said it and I like the comparison a lot; an athletic Chauncey Billups.
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Re: Raptors NBA Draft Thread: Damian Lillard 

Post#422 » by cdel00 » Sat Jun 9, 2012 3:53 am

Quote this kinda of respect is pretty unreal seriously!

OGDEN - While Damian Lillard was working out for NBA scouts and front-office executives at the NBA Draft Combine on Thursday in Chicago, Weber State University student government and Ogden City leaders were working out a plan to make draft day "Damian Lillard Day" in the city.

Weber State student body president Andrew Gardiner said he met with the Ogden City Planning Commission, including members of the city council, on Thursday and has met with Mayor Mike Caldwell.

"Mayor Caldwell said he would take it to the city council to make the 28th of June 'Damian Lillard Day' in Ogden," Gardiner said.

He expects the council to ratify the proclamation at its June 19 meeting.

The idea is to host a June 28 draft party celebration in front of the Solomon Center at the Junction to honor Lillard, Gardiner said, starting with a pre-draft party at 4 p.m.

He's in the planning stages, but he's got big ideas for the party, including WSU's spirit squad, the marching band, giveaway drawings, autographed memorabilia, "Damian Lillard NBA Draft 2012" T-shirts, closing a street to watch the live broadcast on a giant screen at 5 p.
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Re: Raptors NBA Draft Thread: Damian Lillard 

Post#423 » by fredericklove » Sat Jun 9, 2012 8:52 am

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I disagree that Damian is without leadership qualities, his presence is a positive to people around him basically he works so hard and doesn't take things for granted, also tough-minded so it'll rub off to his teammates and he arguably plays the position (PG) that requires lots of leadership. His traits fit that of a leader.

But I totally agree with you on his attacking game, its not athletically explosive. So its definitely funny how a poster mentions his physical features being identical to Derrick Rose just because they have same height/reach/vertical jump and thus legitimizing the fact that he will have Rose's type of impact (what a silly comparison). And you're right. His playmaking is still questionable, a bad sign can happen if he ends up being a combo guard because it's hard to shake off that scorer mentality habit, at times it really shut other teammates down and neglect them.


I get a kick outta that pure BS.

For someone who had the green light to attack he ONLY had 15 FGA per game!!!!
His usage was way over 30%

What do you think he was doing when he wasn't shooting? It sure wasn't turning it over!

Come on guys you're better than that.

Lillard passed the ball very well. And he's got a very high B-Ball IQ that made his team MUCH better.


Calm yourself and be rationally mature about this instead of saying outrageous words like "BS". I know you love claiming he's got zero flaws b4 but I won't even gonna try continue to judge that. But I'm even complimenting on Lillard's tough mentality and leadership traits, but also will maintain a neutral side of the analysis on Lillard because even you agree to the fact that he's ...

I agree Lillard isn't an outstanding passer, and at times misses opportunities to make a pass that's open outside of the play he's running.


Thus I claimed his passing skill to be questionable/skeptical about his passing game. It's pretty much what all scouts do when they talk about every draft's scoring point guards. They all have uncertainty about guards' ability to pass because they were scorers for their team, guys like D-rose or Irving were questioned on their passing ability during draft too. So don't make it a surprise if people question Lillard's passing ability. So I have every reason to question about his playmaking ability, its legit questionable.

Playmaking abilty is difficult to measure in college level, unless you're someone like a marshall type. I have no problem w/ his scoring abilty because I know he can flat out score due to his wide range of arsenals. He has the BBIQ to score, but in today's PG brand of game, playmaking is toughest to accomplish especially when you have a scorer's mentality. Its also a hard transition to go through from college being the main scorer of the team to NBA level in terms of playmaking ability, does one still retain scorer's mentality, or adjust their game to turn themselves into pass-first type? Scouts keep asking that question to him tooo during combine. That has to be the concern for me because he plays the position where passing is the most important aspect. he emphasizes on that he's going to be a playmaker in the NBA but everyone can say these things anyways.

I know he's a good shooter, capable of using p&r to his advantage, craftier than I thought, but I have doubts about his slashing ability, how he's going to absorb contacts against the big boys in the NBA level, what bag of tricks he has when he's attacking the lane, someone I've seen earlier compares him as if he's going to have D-Rose impact type because both share physical resemblance (trust me, he knows who he is), his aggressiveness to the hole I felt is not extremely athletically explosive, but I hope he's able to utilize and learn how to be deceptive when attacking, especially from NBA level. And maybe he'll be very deceptive and prove me wrong.
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Re: Raptors NBA Draft Thread: Damian Lillard 

Post#424 » by cdel00 » Sat Jun 9, 2012 12:43 pm

The BS response is to towards "the lack of playmaking skills and scoreres mentality." Perception.

The FGA to Usage ratio is evidence of the opposite. A scorers mentality would show a FGA much higher than 15. The comments from his team and his coach about how he plays is further evidence that this "scorers mentality" perception is just plain wrong.

The observations from scouts who have watched him play state that Lillard should have been more agressive in looking for his own shot.

Just saying the evidence is all there that this perception in just plain wrong.

But in rereading my post I see your point I could have explained things a bit better. Bad friday night drunken posts :)

Gonna give myself a self timeout for that one, no posting for a week.
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Re: Raptors NBA Draft Thread: Damian Lillard 

Post#425 » by StopitLeo » Sat Jun 9, 2012 4:58 pm

I like that Lillard fits the mold of the current generation of NBA PGs. Good athleticism, can score, pretty good playmaker.

We need a PG prospect badly. I doubt we will be able to trade for one so I'd be down with Lillard. He can learn under Jose, even better Nash (not sure if this even has legs TBH).

I'm a BPA strategist when it comes to the draft though. At 8 is Lillard the BPA against Barnes, Marshall, and Lamb? I think it could be argued that he is.
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Re: Raptors NBA Draft Thread: Damian Lillard 

Post#426 » by neurotik » Sat Jun 9, 2012 10:47 pm

If we're keeping the picking, I'm on the Sullinger and Lillard bandwagons. Lillard is a solid prospect and has the potential and skills to do well in this league.
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Re: Raptors NBA Draft Thread: Damian Lillard 

Post#427 » by TR50 » Sun Jun 10, 2012 12:35 am

Just outta curiosity, when was the last time we drafted a PG in the first round? Only Damon comes to mind...
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Re: Raptors NBA Draft Thread: Damian Lillard 

Post#428 » by DG88 » Sun Jun 10, 2012 12:40 am

TR50 wrote:Just outta curiosity, when was the last time we drafted a PG in the first round? Only Damon comes to mind...

Yup Damon was the only PG we drafted in the first round, but not the only PG we've drafted Roko Ukic was the only other PG we've drafted.
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Re: Raptors NBA Draft Thread: Damian Lillard 

Post#429 » by MEDIC » Sun Jun 10, 2012 3:48 am

cdel00 wrote:The BS response is to towards "the lack of playmaking skills and scoreres mentality." Perception.

The FGA to Usage ratio is evidence of the opposite. A scorers mentality would show a FGA much higher than 15.


Yeah.......but did you see how many times he got to the line a game? Means he was attacking the basket. He may not have put up a shot, but he was trying to score. Exactly like Bayless.

I don't hate the idea of drafting Lillard, but I'm not sure how it helps our team all that much. All he would essentially be doing would be taking JB's role in the lineup (& we'd be letting JB walk).
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Re: Raptors NBA Draft Thread: Damian Lillard 

Post#430 » by Ku-Bar » Sun Jun 10, 2012 12:49 pm

common everyone ... its the draft! and every player including the Anthony Davis' of the world will have to work on their game once they enter the league and prove themselves all over again among veterans and stacked super teams of todays NBA.

I'm personally high on Lillards upside as a prospect and at the same time aware of the potential failings in his game as a 20 something with no NBA experience that he will have to work on during his rookie contract.

I just don't understand the double standard i.e. drafting a promising player who could develop in a few years gets spun into a negative in that player X has flaws in their game...

OR

4 years of college equals no room to improve their game, what you see is what your going to get, no ceiling, finished product.

You pick the player based on your values as a franchise being aware of the risks versus benefits and I think Lillard is a good fit for the Raptors (if he is still on the board) in terms of fit, need, and work ethic.
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Re: Raptors NBA Draft Thread: Damian Lillard 

Post#431 » by tdotrep2 » Sun Jun 10, 2012 2:59 pm

I think lillard has the capability to improve quite a bit despite his she
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Post#432 » by Ku-Bar » Sun Jun 10, 2012 4:33 pm

I voted 50% in that if Lillard is on the board it would be between him and player x

... in other words: Team need & fit i.e. PG vs. Yet another big = BPA.
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Re: Raptors NBA Draft Thread: Damian Lillard 

Post#433 » by Rhettmatic » Sun Jun 10, 2012 4:35 pm

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Post#434 » by BillyGM » Sun Jun 10, 2012 4:49 pm

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Heard toronto is a nice place. We shall see!

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Re: Raptors NBA Draft Thread: Damian Lillard 

Post#435 » by DG88 » Sun Jun 10, 2012 6:48 pm

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Heard toronto is a nice place. We shall see!

He'll love it even more when we draft him :D
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Re: Raptors NBA Draft Thread: Damian Lillard 

Post#436 » by bonjovi0308 » Mon Jun 11, 2012 4:14 am

If the Blazers don't pick him at 6th, he will most likely drop to us. Not sure if they would want a big or a pg at 6th though.
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Re: Raptors NBA Draft Thread: Damian Lillard 

Post#437 » by Haisan » Mon Jun 11, 2012 12:56 pm

DG88 wrote:
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Heard toronto is a nice place. We shall see!

He'll love it even more when we draft him :D


He'll love it the first year when all the Raptor fans are going crazy for him.

He'll love it a lot less his second year when all the Raptor fans turn on him for not being the second coming of Derrick Rose (or whatever irrational comparison they've elevated in their minds).
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Re: Raptors NBA Draft Thread: Damian Lillard 

Post#438 » by nahom1319 » Mon Jun 11, 2012 5:43 pm

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Re: Raptors NBA Draft Thread: Damian Lillard 

Post#439 » by Basketball_Jones » Mon Jun 11, 2012 5:46 pm

Lillard is our guy. He'll put Calderons ass back onto the bench where it belongs.
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Re: Raptors NBA Draft Thread: Damian Lillard 

Post#440 » by Marlo Stanfield » Mon Jun 11, 2012 5:53 pm

Basketball_Jones wrote:Lillard is our guy. He'll put Calderons ass back onto the bench where it belongs.


If there's one thing Jose does, it's earn the starting job. This damn guy has beat out every point guard we've brought in since he's been here. Magic Johnson would back-up Jose :lol:

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