2012 Orland Magic NBA draft thread ...

[cedric76]

this guy has too much potentiel to pass

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/22 ... _Struggles

could be our SF of the future

[Noonskadoodle]

Round 2 prospect for us I think we should keep our eye on is Henry Sims from Georgetown. 6'10" & probably the best passing big man in the draft. If we do get Shaw & he brings the Triangle Sims could be a very nice fit in it with his passing ability.

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[meatwad4343]

this guy has too much potentiel to pass

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/22 ... _Struggles

could be our SF of the future

i don't think he'll be there at 19. he has waaaaaaaaay too much potential to fall that far. i really don't think he gets out of the lottery but thats just me. we would have to trade up if were really that high on him.

[Neon1]

Round 2 prospect for us I think we should keep our eye on is Henry Sims from Georgetown. 6'10" & probably the best passing big man in the draft. If we do get Shaw & he brings the Triangle Sims could be a very nice fit in it with his passing ability.

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Hentry Sims is extremly underated. His per36 production across the board is off the charts. Needs to get his fouling under control and pick up his rebounding big time.

[p0peye]

Out of the players that may be available to us at 19, Wroten is the only one with potential to be something really special.

And while PJ3 and Drummond lack of passion and drive to improve makes them big question marks, Wroten does not.

Looks like he is slipping further to mid 20s and if there's a steal to be made in this draft, that's one right there.

Wroten would be exellent if somebody could ever get him to NOT shoot unless he has a layup. He is better off being a "Pass only" PG.

I mean you just CANNOT completely dominate the ball, shoot and then turn it over as much as he does while hitting nothing. It's a huge detriment.

His weak spots are jumpshot and trying too hard to be flashy with his passes. However, he is very good at creating his own offense, getting to the rim with no problem, whether to finish or kick out, he is a excellent defender, has size, athleticism, skill and instincts to defend either guard player and is 19 years old.

I see him as Tyreke Evans clone and at 19 in draft class that lacks clear superstar potential, that is a very good choice.

Wroten might as well be that one player in a draft that fans keep gripping on how their incompetent GMs used to draft player X or Y over him.

As for Marshall, we might just sign Calderon in FA instead and get the real deal right away.

[Neon1]

Out of the players that may be available to us at 19, Wroten is the only one with potential to be something really special.

And while PJ3 and Drummond lack of passion and drive to improve makes them big question marks, Wroten does not.

Looks like he is slipping further to mid 20s and if there's a steal to be made in this draft, that's one right there.

Wroten would be exellent if somebody could ever get him to NOT shoot unless he has a layup. He is better off being a "Pass only" PG.

I mean you just CANNOT completely dominate the ball, shoot and then turn it over as much as he does while hitting nothing. It's a huge detriment.

His weak spots are jumpshot and trying too hard to be flashy with his passes. However, he is very good at creating his own offense, getting to the rim with no problem, whether to finish or kick out, he is a excellent defender, has size, athleticism, skill and instincts to defend either guard player and is 19 years old.

I see him as Tyreke Evans clone and at 19 in draft class that lacks clear superstar potential, that is a very good choice.

Wroten might as well be that one player in a draft that fans keep gripping on how their incompetent GMs used to draft player X or Y over him.

As for Marshall, we might just sign Calderon in FA instead and get the real deal right away.

Yeah getting there is one thing, but what good is that when you cannot make the shot, or make any of the tons of free throws he gets?

[magicman123]

this guy has too much potentiel to pass

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/22 ... _Struggles

could be our SF of the future

at least he's trying to help his draft stock

"I had a confidence problem," Jones said. "I don't think I have one anymore

"I didn't have a motor. I think I have a motor now

[mcaul55]

Out of the players that may be available to us at 19, Wroten is the only one with potential to be something really special.

And while PJ3 and Drummond lack of passion and drive to improve makes them big question marks, Wroten does not.

Looks like he is slipping further to mid 20s and if there's a steal to be made in this draft, that's one right there.

This has to be a sarcastic comment, this can't be a real opinion, it just can't be. No one could possibly say this and believe it.

A guy who shot 16% from three, 58% from the free throw line AND had more turnovers then assists while having a terrible work ethic (0 bench + horrible shooting = terrible work ethic).

Those guys always turn out to be something special...hahahaha

[Noonskadoodle]

Round 1 PJ3 or Quincy

Round 2 Bost or Sims

And call it a day

[p0peye]

Out of the players that may be available to us at 19, Wroten is the only one with potential to be something really special.

And while PJ3 and Drummond lack of passion and drive to improve makes them big question marks, Wroten does not.

Looks like he is slipping further to mid 20s and if there's a steal to be made in this draft, that's one right there.

This has to be a sarcastic comment, this can't be a real opinion, it just can't be. No one could possibly say this and believe it.

A guy who shot 16% from three, 58% from the free throw line AND had more turnovers then assists while having a terrible work ethic (0 bench + horrible shooting = terrible work ethic).

Those guys always turn out to be something special...hahahaha

So was Evans, Rondo, Kidd, just to name a few. Hell, Penny and Payton were 0.60-something FT shooters as freshmen. And Wroten is a lot more aggressive than they all were at that age, getting almost twice as much to the line.

Kid can ball and could be best backcourt defender here right off the bat and that says something. We desperately need defender, slasher and passer like him with all shooters on the team. If he develops a jumpshot, lookout.

[tiderulz]

this guy has too much potentiel to pass

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/22 ... _Struggles

could be our SF of the future

i dont dislike the kid, but i dont like those quotes. He didnt have a motor playing with the team, but now that he left the team to prepare for the draft, he found his motor? that sounds like an agent speaking to help his stock.

[mcaul55]

Out of the players that may be available to us at 19, Wroten is the only one with potential to be something really special.

And while PJ3 and Drummond lack of passion and drive to improve makes them big question marks, Wroten does not.

Looks like he is slipping further to mid 20s and if there's a steal to be made in this draft, that's one right there.

This has to be a sarcastic comment, this can't be a real opinion, it just can't be. No one could possibly say this and believe it.

A guy who shot 16% from three, 58% from the free throw line AND had more turnovers then assists while having a terrible work ethic (0 bench + horrible shooting = terrible work ethic).

Those guys always turn out to be something special...hahahaha

So was Evans, Rondo, Kidd, just to name a few. Hell, Penny and Payton were 0.60-something FT shooters as freshmen. And Wroten is a lot more aggressive than they all were at that age, getting almost twice as much to the line.

Kid can ball and could be best backcourt defender here right off the bat and that says something. We desperately need defender, slasher and passer like him with all shooters on the team. If he develops a jumpshot, lookout.

College Stats
Kidd - 36% from Three, 68% from the line, 14.9 ppg, 5.9 rbs, 8.4 asts (totally different league) (didn't participate in athletic measurements at the combine)
Rondo - Had over a 2 to 1 ast:to ratio. (didn't participate in the combine)
Evans - 27% from three, 71% from the line. better all around stats. Much bigger/physically imposing.
Payton - 33% from three, 69% from the line, 25.7ppg, 8.1 ast, over 2:1 ast:to
Penny - 33% from three, 77% from the line, 22.7 ppg, 6.4 ast, over 2:1 ast:to

Tony Wroten isn't even in the same stratosphere as those players.

[Neon1]

So was Evans, Rondo, Kidd, just to name a few. Hell, Penny and Payton were 0.60-something FT shooters as freshmen. And Wroten is a lot more aggressive than they all were at that age, getting almost twice as much to the line.

Yeah except that Wroten is a .50-something freethow shooter and .16-something three shooter. As bad as your making these guys out to had been they were still +10% on Wroten for the most part. At the rate off total offensive attempts Wroten takes for himself its a major problem. You have to see the fact that the people you are using to compare as being also "bad shooters" that Wroten is still a ton off even thier shooting prowess.

[Reverse_Angle]

this guy has too much potentiel to pass

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/22 ... _Struggles

could be our SF of the future

at least he's trying to help his draft stock

"I had a confidence problem," Jones said. "I don't think I have one anymore

"I didn't have a motor. I think I have a motor now

he doesn't exactly inspire confidence, does he...still... If he falls to 19, you can not pass him up.

[p0peye]

College Stats
Kidd - 36% from Three, 68% from the line, 14.9 ppg, 5.9 rbs, 8.4 asts (totally different league) (didn't participate in athletic measurements at the combine)
Rondo - Had over a 2 to 1 ast:to ratio. (didn't participate in the combine)
Evans - 27% from three, 71% from the line. better all around stats. Much bigger/physically imposing.
Payton - 33% from three, 69% from the line, 25.7ppg, 8.1 ast, over 2:1 ast:to
Penny - 33% from three, 77% from the line, 22.7 ppg, 6.4 ast, over 2:1 ast:to

Tony Wroten isn't even in the same stratosphere as those players.

Freshman:
Kidd: 28%, 65%
Rondo: 30%, 58%
Evans: 27%, 71%
Payton: 37%, 67%
Penny: 36%, 65%

Like I said, neither Evans, Rondo or Kidd were good shooters, while Payton and Penny as freshmen were poor at the line too.

While Wroten will never be HoF material, Evans is not far fetched. Ceiling of other players available at the time we pick is a lot lower.

[p0peye]

So was Evans, Rondo, Kidd, just to name a few. Hell, Penny and Payton were 0.60-something FT shooters as freshmen. And Wroten is a lot more aggressive than they all were at that age, getting almost twice as much to the line.

Yeah except that Wroten is a .50-something freethow shooter and .16-something three shooter. As bad as your making these guys out to had been they were still +10% on Wroten for the most part. At the rate off total offensive attempts Wroten takes for himself its a major problem. You have to see the fact that the people you are using to compare as being also "bad shooters" that Wroten is still a ton off even thier shooting prowess.

Admitted. All Im saying is that lack of jumpshot is not worst weakness when it comes to drafting a player and that in this particular draft I believe Wroten will be better NBA player than most of players drafted in teens.

[Truth24]

So was Evans, Rondo, Kidd, just to name a few. Hell, Penny and Payton were 0.60-something FT shooters as freshmen. And Wroten is a lot more aggressive than they all were at that age, getting almost twice as much to the line.

Yeah except that Wroten is a .50-something freethow shooter and .16-something three shooter. As bad as your making these guys out to had been they were still +10% on Wroten for the most part. At the rate off total offensive attempts Wroten takes for himself its a major problem. You have to see the fact that the people you are using to compare as being also "bad shooters" that Wroten is still a ton off even thier shooting prowess.

Admitted. All Im saying is that lack of jumpshot is not worst weakness when it comes to drafting a player and that in this particular draft I believe Wroten will be better NBA player than most of players drafted in teens.

It is a pretty big weakness and is a reason why Evans hasn't really progressed as much and the same for John Wall. Yes you can have shooting coaches help players become better shooters, but some guys have such broken forms that its really tough to help them. Wroten is one of those players that has just a horrible form on his jumper. I really like his slashing potential but he isn't better then a lot of players in that are going to be drafted in the teens.

[ChildishGambino]

Don't know if it was posted yet but here is the Terrence Jones pre-draft workout with the kings.....Some mocks have him slipping into our range.....tweener SF/PF

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tL9wLwZDf4[/youtube]

[The Effect]

Don't know if it was posted yet but here is the Terrence Jones pre-draft workout with the kings.....Some mocks have him slipping into our range.....tweener SF/PF

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tL9wLwZDf4[/youtube]

If he actually does start falling into our range, i would really hope we trade up for him. Hes what we need at SF. Was really hoping for a PG and would be thrilled with Marshall (yeah i know all the knocks on him, dont care!) but if we can get this guy, we need to do whatever it takes. This guy has top 5 type skill at a huge need position

[doct3r dr3]

Evan Fournier -- 6'7", 204 lb



Evan Fournier -- 6'7", 204 lb

The 2012 SGs don’t measure up so well, but there are some interesting prospects. I’ve already ready addressed Bradley Beal who is the top pure SG along with Waiters, Wroten and Lillard, all of whom I like better than most of this group. These are players that have one or two things about them that I find intriguing, but don’t have the complete package of skills that have traditionally set successful prospects apart.

[...]

A quick review of what I look for in SGs: A 2-point FG pct. of at least .500, P40 at least 20.0, S40 at least 1.4, RSB40 at least 7.0 and an A/TO no lower than 0.8. In each case the higher the better. Youth always gets a little more leeway.

Players are listed in order of preference, all other things being equal. The statistics listed are 2-point pct, 3-point pct, P40, S40, RSB40 and A/TO.

Evan Fournier, France, .522, .277, 21.6, 2.3, 7.4, 1.0: I’ll start by saying I’m not as knowledgeable on foreign players as a draft “guru” should be. I will say that Fournier has impressive enough stats for a player so young that I would take my chances with him before any college SG in this group.

It’s very impressive that he posted a 20+ P40 as a 19 year-old playing in at the top level in Europe. Usually the younger players are in more of a support role. He scored efficiently as well and posted strong numbers in other areas of his game. The only weakness is he has yet to hit 3-pointers consistently. At his young age I wouldn’t call this a huge concern, but just something to keep in mind.

Fournier’s numbers and potential say he’s the most promising SG available in the 2012 draft after Brad Beal. While this says more about the SG field than Fournier, I feel he’s a safe pick starting around the back of the lottery.

Strengths: Has a really solid, strong body that helps him attacking the rim; he is not so explosive, but his first step allows him to beat opponents off the dribble ... Very crafty offensively. He is a natural talent, and can score in many ways: shooting from three, attacking the basket and spotting up ... Very adept at driving and dishing ... Also has a nice left hand, and can grab rebounds, both in offense and defense ... The trademark to his game is his ability to score clutch baskets. He seems to live for crunch time ... Sees the floor exceptionally well for a 19 year old ... He also is a very difficult defensive assignment because he is always in motion, working hard to get open looks ... Defensively, he has nice position and good foot work, plays smart, not overly aggressive ... Tremendous attitude, work ethic. Willing to put the work in to maximize his abilities ...

Weaknesses: Plays below the rim. Below average explosiveness will make finishing at the rim a challenge for him in the NBA ... He doesn’t have any great defects, but absolutely needs to improve his three point shot, still too inconsistent to be a threat at the NBA level ... He can do almost everything on the basketball court, but has areas that must be improved upon: he must pass better, shoot with more confidence, finish better ...

Overall: Became the youngest player in French League history to score more than 20 points ... A player that is very advanced for his age and considered the top International prospect for the 2012 NBA draft ... If he is inserted into a well balanced system, he could have an immediate impact on the game, and could be an important member of a supporting cast ... Fournier will have until June 18th to decide to withdraw or leave his name in this year's NBA draft ..

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adidas EUROCAMP Day Two
June 11, 2012
Evan Fournier competed today after working out in a one-on-zero setting for the scouts in attendance yesterday, and helped himself considerably more in turn. In 29 minutes of action, Fournier scored 12 points, looking smooth creating his own shot on the perimeter and making plays being aggressive in transition while showing good court vision finding the open man. The top 2012 draft prospect at this event, Fournier shot well today, going 2-4 from three in the first game and 2-3 in the second game, which was extremely important considering that this is the area he struggled in most this season. Had he shot a better percentage from beyond the arc with Poiters this season, its reasonable to wonder if he would be considered a legit top-20 prospect in this deep draft.

He will leave tomorrow for the United State for workouts with Indiana, Memphis, and Dallas. We caught up with Fournier, who emphasized his desire to play in the NBA this coming season, after he led the French U20 team to a victory over Russia's U20 squad.

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