2012 Orland Magic NBA draft thread ...

arkknight1988 · Post #921 » by **arkknight1988** » Mon Jun 18, 2012 3:54 am

would anyone trade jj to minny for the 18th pick? draft a combo of pg/sf.

T-Cat · Post #922 » by **T-Cat** » Mon Jun 18, 2012 4:33 am

I really want us to trade up to acquire Damian Lillard...he reminds me of Derrick Rose! The guy has a competitive spirit and always looking to improve his game.

drsd · Post #923 » by **drsd** » Mon Jun 18, 2012 5:48 am

Teams have often used second round picks to own the draft right of a European project. This year only Mindaugas Kupsas seems to fit that bill. And given his poor play in the combines, I do not see him being drafted.

But Josep Franch is a project PG from Spain. It reads that he needs to develop a jump shot. And a couple years in Europe could do just that.

drsd · Post #924 » by **drsd** » Mon Jun 18, 2012 5:50 am

arkknight1988 wrote:would anyone trade jj to minny for the 18th pick? draft a combo of pg/sf.

Redick is just now showing his value. Orlando is not going to trade him for "only" a late-lottery draft pick.

IGotDaMagicInMe · Post #925 » by **IGotDaMagicInMe** » Mon Jun 18, 2012 6:17 am

The Other Ankle wrote:http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sports_magic/2012/06/orlando-magic-hold-workout-for-six-more-draft-prospects.html

The Orlando Magic worked out six draft prospects and interviewed another Saturday in Orlando, a team official said.

The prospects who worked out are:

• 6-foot-5 point guard Tony Wroten from Washington,
• 6-foot-2 point guard Dee Bost from Mississippi State,
• 6-foot-4 shooting guard Charlie Westbrook from South Dakota,
• 6-foot point guard Tu Holloway from Xavier,
• 6-foot-8 forward JaMychal Green from Alabama and
• 6-foot-7 forward Jamar Samuels from Kansas State.

In addition, 6-foot-8 forward Kevin Jones from West Virginia interviewed with team officials but did not work out because of an injury, according to a team official.

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The prospects from the May 30th workout:

6-8 Moe Harkless from St. John’s,
6-5 William Buford from Ohio State,
6-10 Cameron Moore from UAB,
6-9 Andrew Nicholson from St. Bonaventure,
6-6 Darrion Pellum from Hampton
6-7 Jeff Taylor from Vanderbilt.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isipHUaMEiY[/youtube]

bigmoe1952 · Post #926 » by **bigmoe1952** » Mon Jun 18, 2012 6:38 am

T-Cat wrote:I really want us to trade up to acquire Damian Lillard...he reminds me of Derrick Rose! The guy has a competitive spirit and always looking to improve his game.

I agree...and said the same thing on the previous page. I really like Lillard. We need to come away with a solid starter. Other than Howard, who is most likely gone, we have a roster full of back ups.

jernigan · Post #927 » by **jernigan** » Mon Jun 18, 2012 12:58 pm

This Howard is most likely gone nonsense is just pessimistic thinking. Relaaaax....Dwight want's to be here, he just needs a solid GM and coach he feels he can mesh with. A solid number 2 would be nice too obviously.

mcaul55 · Post #928 » by **mcaul55** » Mon Jun 18, 2012 1:03 pm

doct3r dr3 wrote:Evan Fournier -- 6'7", 204 lb

Evan Fournier -- 6'7", 204 lb

HoopsAnalyst wrote:The 2012 SGs don’t measure up so well, but there are some interesting prospects. I’ve already ready addressed Bradley Beal who is the top pure SG along with Waiters, Wroten and Lillard, all of whom I like better than most of this group. These are players that have one or two things about them that I find intriguing, but don’t have the complete package of skills that have traditionally set successful prospects apart.

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A quick review of what I look for in SGs: A 2-point FG pct. of at least .500, P40 at least 20.0, S40 at least 1.4, RSB40 at least 7.0 and an A/TO no lower than 0.8. In each case the higher the better. Youth always gets a little more leeway.

Players are listed in order of preference, all other things being equal. The statistics listed are 2-point pct, 3-point pct, P40, S40, RSB40 and A/TO.

Evan Fournier, France, .522, .277, 21.6, 2.3, 7.4, 1.0: I’ll start by saying I’m not as knowledgeable on foreign players as a draft “guru” should be. I will say that Fournier has impressive enough stats for a player so young that I would take my chances with him before any college SG in this group.

It’s very impressive that he posted a 20+ P40 as a 19 year-old playing in at the top level in Europe. Usually the younger players are in more of a support role. He scored efficiently as well and posted strong numbers in other areas of his game. The only weakness is he has yet to hit 3-pointers consistently. At his young age I wouldn’t call this a huge concern, but just something to keep in mind.

Fournier’s numbers and potential say he’s the most promising SG available in the 2012 draft after Brad Beal. While this says more about the SG field than Fournier, I feel he’s a safe pick starting around the back of the lottery.

NBADraft.net wrote:Strengths: Has a really solid, strong body that helps him attacking the rim; he is not so explosive, but his first step allows him to beat opponents off the dribble ... Very crafty offensively. He is a natural talent, and can score in many ways: shooting from three, attacking the basket and spotting up ... Very adept at driving and dishing ... Also has a nice left hand, and can grab rebounds, both in offense and defense ... The trademark to his game is his ability to score clutch baskets. He seems to live for crunch time ... Sees the floor exceptionally well for a 19 year old ... He also is a very difficult defensive assignment because he is always in motion, working hard to get open looks ... Defensively, he has nice position and good foot work, plays smart, not overly aggressive ... Tremendous attitude, work ethic. Willing to put the work in to maximize his abilities ...

Weaknesses: Plays below the rim. Below average explosiveness will make finishing at the rim a challenge for him in the NBA ... He doesn’t have any great defects, but absolutely needs to improve his three point shot, still too inconsistent to be a threat at the NBA level ... He can do almost everything on the basketball court, but has areas that must be improved upon: he must pass better, shoot with more confidence, finish better ...

Overall: Became the youngest player in French League history to score more than 20 points ... A player that is very advanced for his age and considered the top International prospect for the 2012 NBA draft ... If he is inserted into a well balanced system, he could have an immediate impact on the game, and could be an important member of a supporting cast ... Fournier will have until June 18th to decide to withdraw or leave his name in this year's NBA draft ..

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtCZJyhVlog[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaTv1Uzujrg[/youtube]

DraftExpress wrote:adidas EUROCAMP Day Two
June 11, 2012
Evan Fournier competed today after working out in a one-on-zero setting for the scouts in attendance yesterday, and helped himself considerably more in turn. In 29 minutes of action, Fournier scored 12 points, looking smooth creating his own shot on the perimeter and making plays being aggressive in transition while showing good court vision finding the open man. The top 2012 draft prospect at this event, Fournier shot well today, going 2-4 from three in the first game and 2-3 in the second game, which was extremely important considering that this is the area he struggled in most this season. Had he shot a better percentage from beyond the arc with Poiters this season, its reasonable to wonder if he would be considered a legit top-20 prospect in this deep draft.

He will leave tomorrow for the United State for workouts with Indiana, Memphis, and Dallas. We caught up with Fournier, who emphasized his desire to play in the NBA this coming season, after he led the French U20 team to a victory over Russia's U20 squad.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69c4h0CbClo[/youtube]

Is it bad when a highlight film doesn't even remotely impress you?

T-Cat · Post #929 » by **T-Cat** » Mon Jun 18, 2012 4:17 pm

bigmoe1952 wrote:
T-Cat wrote:I really want us to trade up to acquire Damian Lillard...he reminds me of Derrick Rose! The guy has a competitive spirit and always looking to improve his game.

I agree...and said the same thing on the previous page. I really like Lillard. We need to come away with a solid starter. Other than Howard, who is most likely gone, we have a roster full of back ups.

Assuming Lillard last up to the 8 pick, depending how our new GM has an eye for talent...we should trade Redick/BBD and our #19th pick for Bargnani/Kleiza and #8 pick:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=d6xpj87

Noonskadoodle · Post #930 » by **Noonskadoodle** » Mon Jun 18, 2012 6:29 pm

Austin Rivers J looking a bit rusty.......or he just didn't wanna be there haha

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrO_xmyw-dc&feature=youtube_gdata_player[/youtube]

Noonskadoodle · Post #931 » by **Noonskadoodle** » Mon Jun 18, 2012 6:37 pm

A pretty nice 1 on 1 video of PJ3 with the Warriors. Seems they may be pretty high on him.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9ijliy0qZs&feature=youtube_gdata_player[/youtube]

MoMM · Post #932 » by **MoMM** » Mon Jun 18, 2012 6:37 pm

arkknight1988 wrote:would anyone trade jj to minny for the 18th pick? draft a combo of pg/sf.

How about Jrich?

MoMM · Post #933 » by **MoMM** » Mon Jun 18, 2012 6:41 pm

doct3r dr3 wrote:It’s very impressive that he posted a 20+ P40 as a 19 year-old playing in at the top level in Europe.

I wont judge Fournier, because i never watched him play, but French league is pretty weak, it's not even close to Spanish, Italian, Greek leagues... You can notice it because Justin Harper was a 13/6 player in that league, right?

blue and white · Post #934 » by **blue and white** » Mon Jun 18, 2012 6:42 pm

Noonskadoodle wrote:Austin Rivers J looking a bit rusty.......or he just didn't wanna be there haha

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrO_xmyw-dc&feature=youtube_gdata_player[/youtube]

THat was hard to watch he looked tired and lazy in that idk what he was doing before that but if im the wiz i wouldnt be impressed

mcaul55 · Post #935 » by **mcaul55** » Mon Jun 18, 2012 6:59 pm

Noonskadoodle wrote:Austin Rivers J looking a bit rusty.......or he just didn't wanna be there haha

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrO_xmyw-dc&feature=youtube_gdata_player[/youtube]

Wow... rough to watch... I'm curious as to why Washington would even work him out? Due diligence or maybe they're thinking about trading back?

MoMM · Post #936 » by **MoMM** » Mon Jun 18, 2012 7:07 pm

No vert at all?

NEM · Post #937 » by **NEM** » Mon Jun 18, 2012 7:48 pm

Can't judge based on one work out video. If we did that, rivers would be the first pick in the draft if all you do is watch that unc duke game from earlier this year.

The kid will be a star. Sig me.

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Neon1 · Post #938 » by **Neon1** » Mon Jun 18, 2012 8:58 pm

They finally did the Austin Rivers breakdown.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrbrarSldxo[/youtube]

AGNT190 · Post #939 » by **AGNT190** » Mon Jun 18, 2012 11:13 pm

So Espn is reporting that Jared sulliger was red flagged due to back issues and that some teams physicians are telling them not to draft him. My question would be, if he falls out of the lottery and is still available at 19 should the magic take a chance on him??

Cammo101 · Post #940 » by **Cammo101** » Mon Jun 18, 2012 11:15 pm

AGNT190 wrote:So Espn is reporting that Jared sulliger was red flagged due to back issues and that some teams physicians are telling them not to draft him. My question would be, if he falls out of the lottery and is still available at 19 should the magic take a chance on him??

I absolutely would.

Who would you like to see the Magic draft ?