SixerFan1976 Offseason Thread (Update Pg 73)

[EugeneBWhitaker]

getting a player at 7 doesnt make you any better necessarily than a guy at 15.

Draft history would suggest that a player you can get at 7 will have a much higher success rate than who you can get at 15. Then again, if you are saying...

Iguodala + #15 is better than #7 + #15, then yes, that could be argued for sure.

In the short term yes, but what about 3 years from now - would you rather have #7 and #15 or a close to 30 year old Iguodala and #15 as Jrue Holiday (and possibly Evan Turner) are hitting the peaks of their career?

I say close to 30 - because right now i can't remember how old he is

[The Sixer Fixer]

getting a player at 7 doesnt make you any better necessarily than a guy at 15.

Draft history would suggest that a player you can get at 7 will have a much higher success rate than who you can get at 15. Then again, if you are saying...

Iguodala + #15 is better than #7 + #15, then yes, that could be argued for sure.

In the short term yes, but what about 3 years from now - would you rather have #7 and #15 or a close to 30 year old Iguodala and #15 as Jrue Holiday (and possibly Evan Turner) are hitting the peaks of their career?

I say close to 30 - because right now i can't remember how old he is

Well, you are assuming not dealing him for #7 means he stays. I'm not saying that. I think you still have lots of other options with him. Deal him for a player (1 for 1), package him with other parts (picks/players) for a star or keep him and deal other things to get a star. Draft picks are known to be risks so if the front office thinks they can get better value for him vs. a pick, then I think that needs to be explored.

[EugeneBWhitaker]

Well, you are assuming not dealing him for #7 means he stays. I'm not saying that. I think you still have lots of other options with him. Deal him for a player (1 for 1), package him with other parts (picks/players) for a star or keep him and deal other things to get a star. Draft picks are known to be risks so if the front office thinks they can get better value for him vs. a pick, then I think that needs to be explored.

You're assuming you can get a start for Andre Iguodala in a 1 for 1 trade. I believe that the best return the sixers can get on an Andre Iguodala trade that isn't about building a championship roster from the ground but maintaining mediocrity and handing the keys to evan turner is rudy gay.

I do not consider him a star, I do not consider him better than ANdre Iguodala

[Chamberlainship]

in utah talks, Millsap's name has also come up. Not a deal where we would get both....but as part of the interchangeable parts. I asked about Favors and they apparently will not be moving him.

I do not think the Sixers trade up. They seem to be keying on Ross at 15 if he is there.

This may come back to bite me. But I'd rather trade Andre for Millsap than for a pick that we use on Drummond. Millsap is a good player. Drummond is a question mark.

I like AI2 and will be sorry to see him go.

I doubt any team is going to trade a superstar or prospect that looks like a superstar for AI2. Andre for Millsap (and filler) seems like a fair trade. I wonder how Thad and Brand will respond.

If it's possible that they could get Millsap without trading Andre, I'd hope they'd explore that fully.

[The Sixer Fixer]

Well, you are assuming not dealing him for #7 means he stays. I'm not saying that. I think you still have lots of other options with him. Deal him for a player (1 for 1), package him with other parts (picks/players) for a star or keep him and deal other things to get a star. Draft picks are known to be risks so if the front office thinks they can get better value for him vs. a pick, then I think that needs to be explored.

You're assuming you can get a start for Andre Iguodala in a 1 for 1 trade. I believe that the best return the sixers can get on an Andre Iguodala trade that isn't about building a championship roster from the ground but maintaining mediocrity and handing the keys to evan turner is rudy gay.

I do not consider him a star, I do not consider him better than ANdre Iguodala

Did you mean "star" where you said "start"? If so, no I did not say we could get a star for him 1 for 1. I listed three ideas.
1. 1 for 1 for equal talent type (could be a younger player)
2. Package him with other players/picks (talent) to get a star.
3. Trade other players/picks to get a star next to Andre.

[jazzfan1971]

I think Millsap is the Jazz best player. Better than Jefferson. But, I don't see how he'd fit on your team very well. You can't play him with Brand. You can't play him at center. He's not going to give you as much of a low post presense as Jefferson.

Seems to me Jefferson is the better player for you folks. Unless you just don't care about position and fit. If you are just going for value then, yeah, I'd take Millsap.

[EugeneBWhitaker]

Hmm...now I misread what you wrote (please don't accuse me of being a liar too, ok?)

Yeah, I see what you mean.

I've just been hoping for a real commitment to rebuilding instead of tinkering for so long, that I guess I'm just over the idea that Iguodala can be traded (even with parts) for someone that makes the team immediately better than who they are with Iguodala.

I don't often make trade suggestions, when I do it's usually based on rumors, reports, etc...that are floating out there...but what star do you think Iguodala and parts could get?

Additionally, what real trade assets aside from Iguodala do the sixers really have to get a star? That's another concern. Really I think it's jrue, and iguodala, and I guess, well, if you amnesty brand you get a star but have to absorb a giant bad contract (ala getting hedo as a price for getting dwight).

The only trade I came up with so far this off season (and it works) was this - based on a bunch of reports from various places

HOU - Gasol
PHI - Martin, Lowry
LAL - Iguodala

That's the best deal I could see as being doable and working for all the teams involved, though today there are reports that the rockets never really had any interest in Gasol after the trade fell through and could have had him at any time if they really wanted him - so who knows

[Chamberlainship]

I think Millsap is the Jazz best player. Better than Jefferson. But, I don't see how he'd fit on your team very well. You can't play him with Brand. You can't play him at center. He's not going to give you as much of a low post presense as Jefferson.

Seems to me Jefferson is the better player for you folks. Unless you just don't care about position and fit. If you are just going for value then, yeah, I'd take Millsap.

Do you think Jazz would have interest in Iguodala?

If Millsap's the best player, he's the guy I want. Not going to worry too much about the fit with Brand.

[PhilasFinest]

Sure I'd like to see us roll the dice on Drummond or something.

But I wouldnt Mind Millsap he's got a money mid range game, and can score in bunches. He's also a great rebounder.

If we acquired him, we would still have to address the need for a center, (mainly a shot blocker with size)
Time will tell I guess.

[ProcessDoctor]

Ideally we trade Iggy for 7 + filler and keep 15. Potentially gives us this line-up heading into the future:

Holiday
Turner
Ross
Vuc
Drummond

[jazzfan1971]

I know I'd have interest in Iggy. Not 100% sure about the Jazz. And most of my interest would be in a Jefferson/Iggy swap, because that would REALLY make the Jazz defense better. We'd be a little better in a Millsap/Iggy swap but not to the same degree.

Then I worry about Iggy's health. Then taking on Iggy really hurts the Jazz cap room next summer, a big consideration.

I'd put Iggy and Millsap's value fairly even. I'd put Jefferson a tad below. Personally, I'd think the Jazz would have to ship you folks a little mroe value in a Jefferson/Iggy swap. Maybe cash, maybe a 2nd, maybe even a protected 1st.

If you are getting Millsap I wouldn't be surprised if the Jazz would want a little more. (health and contract)

Philly and the Jazz have been good trading partners for a while now. The front offices seem to have a comfort level working together. I wouldn't be shocked to see a deal go down. Maybe Jefferson and GS 1st for Iggy and 3mil. Something like that.

[KrazySixersD]

did someone really just say they would rather have paul millsap then the chance at drummond!??!?!

WHAT?!?!?!?!

on what planet is paul millsap going to make this team a championship caliber team?????????

drummond has the ability at WORST to be a big time shotblocking low post defending big man... at WORST

what on earth is wrong with some of you

we have brand amnesty money, could go after a PF still in FA to put next to drummond... and have the 15th pick...

[PhilasFinest]

I think if we move up, 15 is going with the package. Just my thoughts unless we're taking back considerable salary.

Drummond is a Huge gamble, I'm all for it but some of you are acting like he is andrew Bynum.

He's big, young and can run & jump. That's it right now. Putting that in the hands in dougie scares me a bit.

[76erStu]

did someone really just say they would rather have paul millsap then the chance at drummond!??!?!

WHAT?!?!?!?!

on what planet is paul millsap going to make this team a championship caliber team?????????

drummond has the ability at WORST to be a big time shotblocking low post defending big man... at WORST

what on earth is wrong with some of you

we have brand amnesty money, could go after a PF still in FA to put next to drummond... and have the 15th pick...

this.

[aHealthy3]

Iggy and 15 for Millsap and Kanter

[Gsraider]

I know I'd have interest in Iggy. Not 100% sure about the Jazz. And most of my interest would be in a Jefferson/Iggy swap, because that would REALLY make the Jazz defense better. We'd be a little better in a Millsap/Iggy swap but not to the same degree.

Then I worry about Iggy's health. Then taking on Iggy really hurts the Jazz cap room next summer, a big consideration.

I'd put Iggy and Millsap's value fairly even. I'd put Jefferson a tad below. Personally, I'd think the Jazz would have to ship you folks a little mroe value in a Jefferson/Iggy swap. Maybe cash, maybe a 2nd, maybe even a protected 1st.

If you are getting Millsap I wouldn't be surprised if the Jazz would want a little more. (health and contract)

Philly and the Jazz have been good trading partners for a while now. The front offices seem to have a comfort level working together. I wouldn't be shocked to see a deal go down. Maybe Jefferson and GS 1st for Iggy and 3mil. Something like that.

I think Milsap is a very good player. He would also provide a physical interior presence who can really board, which certainly is something Philly needs. However, it's seems like a completely lateral move with almost no upside. For as good as Milsap is, I could easily see why Utah would be interested because they still have Kanter, Favors, and Jefferson in the fold, while totally upgrading their SF spot and defense in general. Even if the players are more or less of equal value, it makes more sense to me on paper for Utah. For Philly, they would seemingly fill one hole while creating another. All the while, they would be acquiring a player with a limited ceiling, which is probably why most fans wouldn't be that excited by it.

[tgo2223]

I'd rather get Milsap over Jefferson in an Utah deal.

Milsap: 16.6ppg 0.495fg%, 8.8rpg, 0.8bpg, 1.8steals with solid defense

Jefferson: 19.2ppg 0.492fg%, 9.6rpg, 1.7bpg, 0.8steals with below average defense

We could still amnesty Brand and sign a Center and draft Ross.

Jrue
Turner
Ross
Milsap
McGee?

[jrue76er]

I'd rather get Milsap over Jefferson in an Utah deal.

Milsap: 16.6ppg 0.495fg%, 8.8rpg, 0.8bpg, 1.8steals with solid defense

Jefferson: 19.2ppg 0.492fg%, 9.6rpg, 1.7bpg, 0.8steals with below average defense

We could still amnesty Brand and sign a Center and draft Ross.

I would also much rather have Millsap over Jefferson especially when you consider pairing them up with Vucevic. Vuc and Jefferson would have to be the slowest, least athletic C-PF combo in recent history (not counting tandems that are past their prime).

[51X3RF4N]

First question that comes to mind for me. Why would Utah want Iggy? They have 2 young bigs at 20 years old each who have the potential to make a dynamic duo in 3-4 years. And Hayward at SF who is 22 years old. Seems to me like if they trade for Turner and draft someone to play SG, they'd be in a much better spot for a youth movement and rebuild.

If they trade for Iggy, doesn't that hurt them in the long run? Surrounding him with young, timid players will get you the Sixers of 2 years ago where Iggy thinks he's the star in Utah.

Unless they plan on making further moves with Kanter/Milsap/Jefferson to get a big name or 2 to come play with Iggy and have a "big 3" of their own.

Just doesn't seem to make sense from Utah's point of view.

As for Philly, I would really like to see 1 of 2 things happen. Full on championship run featuring the best pitch to Deron and then trade for D12, keeping Iggy. Surround the big 3 with role players and vets and go for it all.

Deron
Iggy
D12

Fillers...compete for a chip now.

OR complete start over. I'm not a fan of Jrue/Turner together in the backcourt and I don't like Turner at SF. So commit to Jrue at PG and trade everyone else possible. Get a pick plus player for Iggy and #15. Trade Turner for #10. Draft Drummond and Ross. Full youth movement. Jrue/Ross/Drummond is the future. Offer Batum or Gordon.

Jrue
Gordon or Ross
Ross or Batum
Player from Iggy trade
Drummond

Compete for a chip in 3 years tops.

I think a lot of people share my desire to have a clear path one way or the other, and get off the train to mediocritown.

[Chamberlainship]

Thanks to jazzfan1971 for explaining Utah's thinking.

I think Kevin O'Connor used to work for Philly, right?