SixerFan1976 Offseason Thread (Update Pg 73)

[Chamberlainship]

did someone really just say they would rather have paul millsap then the chance at drummond!??!?!

WHAT?!?!?!?!

on what planet is paul millsap going to make this team a championship caliber team?????????

drummond has the ability at WORST to be a big time shotblocking low post defending big man... at WORST

what on earth is wrong with some of you

we have brand amnesty money, could go after a PF still in FA to put next to drummond... and have the 15th pick...

I know it's a risk in passing on a guy like Drummond who has all the physical skills. But he's a project at this point. What if he doesn't pan out?

If Drummond is such a good prospect, why would a lottery team trade the pick to the sixers for Andre Iguodala?

[Do the Jrue]

First question that comes to mind for me. Why would Utah want Iggy? They have 2 young bigs at 20 years old each who have the potential to make a dynamic duo in 3-4 years. And Hayward at SF who is 22 years old. Seems to me like if they trade for Turner and draft someone to play SG, they'd be in a much better spot for a youth movement and rebuild.

If they trade for Iggy, doesn't that hurt them in the long run? Surrounding him with young, timid players will get you the Sixers of 2 years ago where Iggy thinks he's the star in Utah.

Unless they plan on making further moves with Kanter/Milsap/Jefferson to get a big name or 2 to come play with Iggy and have a "big 3" of their own.

Just doesn't seem to make sense from Utah's point of view.

As for Philly, I would really like to see 1 of 2 things happen. Full on championship run featuring the best pitch to Deron and then trade for D12, keeping Iggy. Surround the big 3 with role players and vets and go for it all.

Deron
Iggy
D12

Fillers...compete for a chip now.

OR complete start over. I'm not a fan of Jrue/Turner together in the backcourt and I don't like Turner at SF. So commit to Jrue at PG and trade everyone else possible. Get a pick plus player for Iggy and #15. Trade Turner for #10. Draft Drummond and Ross. Full youth movement. Jrue/Ross/Drummond is the future. Offer Batum or Gordon.

Jrue
Gordon or Ross
Ross or Batum
Player from Iggy trade
Drummond

Compete for a chip in 3 years tops.

I think a lot of people share my desire to have a clear path one way or the other, and get off the train to mediocritown.

Agree with every word in this post.

[corwin]

I think Millsap is the Jazz best player. Better than Jefferson. But, I don't see how he'd fit on your team very well. You can't play him with Brand. You can't play him at center. He's not going to give you as much of a low post presense as Jefferson.

Seems to me Jefferson is the better player for you folks. Unless you just don't care about position and fit. If you are just going for value then, yeah, I'd take Millsap.

Jazzie, I think the Iguodala/Jefferson thing has been kicked around & while the value is not far off, the fit is not what most of us want. First, AJ is a poor defensive presence (on a strong defensive club) & trading for him would mean that Brand would have to be amnestied. He might be anyway. More importantly, he doesn't fit it with a running team nor is he a long-term answer for the Sixers, given age, injury history & the cost of his next contract. While you might argue that Iggy would be in the same position with Utah, there is a difference and that is that Utah has their future core outside of PG. Philly has Jrue at PG & ET at SG & there is considerable skepticism on these boards about whether the are long-term keepers at those positions. Philly needs to get something other than a sixth man or one year rental for Iguodala, especially since we already have an expensive sixth man in Thad.

[jazzfan1971]

Totally understandable.

Not sure what other offers are on the table for Iggy, but, if you can get a young guy with All-Star potential for him that would be a better move. Maybe even be a good idea to wail til next year when he's expiring, might have a little more value then.

Jazz can afford to just sit and do nothing, Jefferson, Millsap, and Harris all come off the books after this season anyway. Unless the Jazz can get a good offer, they might just prefer to sit on their hands til next summer.

I have a heck of a hard time getting my mind around what Philly wants to do reading this thread to be honest. Some times I think they'd prefer to trade Iggy. Other times Turner. Some times I think they want to win now. Other times blow it up.

You folks are hard to get a read on.

[ProcessDoctor]

Totally understandable.

Not sure what other offers are on the table for Iggy, but, if you can get a young guy with All-Star potential for him that would be a better move. Maybe even be a good idea to wail til next year when he's expiring, might have a little more value then.

Jazz can afford to just sit and do nothing, Jefferson, Millsap, and Harris all come off the books after this season anyway. Unless the Jazz can get a good offer, they might just prefer to sit on their hands til next summer.

I have a heck of a hard time getting my mind around what Philly wants to do reading this thread to be honest. Some times I think they'd prefer to trade Iggy. Other times Turner. Some times I think they want to win now. Other times blow it up.

You folks are hard to get a read on.

I think you are absolutely correct and I think it's because the organization is not all on the same page. I have a hard time believing Collins and Adam Aron are on the same page. I believe Collins wants to win now, whereas Aron wants to build from the ground up and make the best moves for the future.

[corwin]

Well, I'm pretty sure the fans aren't all on the same page, but I'm not so sure about the organization. Personally, I think Josh Harris is calling the shots & that he got Collins to buy in with the promise that he'll be a long-term fixture in the organization, probably GM. After all, Harris sat in on the end of year player interviews. I can only speculate about ET being inserted into the line-up, but I wouldn't be surprised if he was behind that. We'll never know though since the inner dynamics never get reported. A good example of this is the Eddie Jordan hire. I'm still trying to figure out the logic behind that one.

[Sixerscan]

Stefanski knew Jordan from his jersey days. He probably wanted someone he had a good rapport with. Unfortunately neither of them knew what they were doing.

[corwin]

I guess incompetence is part of the answer. Saving money since Washington was paying part of Jordan's salary would also factor in. Seems like there has to be more to it than that though.

[Chamberlainship]

My chronology may be off, but I thought that decision was tied to the decision to replace Andre Miller with Lou Williams as the point guard. The princeton offense had some appeal because you didn't need a traditional point guard.

[freshie2]

Need length and versatility to compete. Al Jeff gives a low post presence with a one year deal. Make the trade and draft PJ3. Consider ET trade to get Ross as well and pursue Batum. Gives you defensive versatility / length from 1 to 5.

[Skates]

My chronology may be off, but I thought that decision was tied to the decision to replace Andre Miller with Lou Williams as the point guard. The princeton offense had some appeal because you didn't need a traditional point guard.

Miller wanted three years and the team wouldn't commit past two because Jrue was seen as the future, with Lou possibly being a bridge between them if needed. It was mostly a money and years thing.

[Chamberlainship]

I remember them only offering him one year but I could be wrong. Bad memories. I agree that it was about making room for Jrue and saving $.

[JordanMars]

Dont want Lou back anymore. Just blocked me on Twitter lol all because of this tweet.

@TeamLou23 is gonna make a new rap about @mindofAI9 being a hater "you keep hatin I keep scorin, don’t play no defense **** is borin

[PhilasFinest]

Lmao

[Kova]

Wtf.. This is sixerfan thread.. If there was no update since page 73, what the hell are you discussing about?? I see it went off topic a bit..

[ankle420breaker]

My chronology may be off, but I thought that decision was tied to the decision to replace Andre Miller with Lou Williams as the point guard. The princeton offense had some appeal because you didn't need a traditional point guard.

Miller wanted three years and the team wouldn't commit past two because Jrue was seen as the future, with Lou possibly being a bridge between them if needed. It was mostly a money and years thing.

But didn't he end up signing with Portland for 2 years? I think we only offered 1 year.

[ChuckS]

Wtf.. This is sixerfan thread.. If there was no update since page 73, what the hell are you discussing about?? I see it went off topic a bit..

Actually there have been updates since page 73, the subject line just hasn't been updated.

While certainly there is digression to a degree in any thread, I believe the whining about such is more annoying than the actual alleged transgressions.

It seems optimistic to expect twenty updates a day, and even more unrealistic to think that each actual proclamation will not spawn numerous and varied responses. That is actually a complement to the author.

Since the intent is to provide a hint of managements' thinking about team improvement, via the draft, trades, or any restructuring, I believe it to be appropriate to weigh such against actual past actions and behavior, as well as current potential.

And since management in many endeavors often leaks rumors, or flies trial balloons, to measure community response, much of what has been complained about is actually what they are seeking.

I, personally, have found this to be one of the more enjoyable threads. And if you compare this to any of Tom's threads, you will discover almost no distinction in how "inside" information is accepted and responded to by the board. I am sure that he is not upset because his posts are an actual minute fraction of the more than sixty two thousand in just the latest iteration.

[Kobblehead]

Wtf.. This is sixerfan thread.. If there was no update since page 73, what the hell are you discussing about?? I see it went off topic a bit..

It's a message board, not his twitter feed.

[sweetlou23]

Apparently the celtics have made a promise to royce white. i'm having flashbacks of a larry hughes/paul pierce situation. do we have any interest in white?

[HartfordWhalers]

My chronology may be off, but I thought that decision was tied to the decision to replace Andre Miller with Lou Williams as the point guard. The princeton offense had some appeal because you didn't need a traditional point guard.

Miller wanted three years and the team wouldn't commit past two because Jrue was seen as the future, with Lou possibly being a bridge between them if needed. It was mostly a money and years thing.

Yea this. If I recall at the time the team was asked to give a 3 year contract, and replied with 2 but only the first year guaranteed. By the time he had the 3 year offer from Portland with the first 2 guaranteed, Philly upped their offer to guarantee the second year but it was viewed as too little, too late by Miller's camp.