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Re: 2012 NBA Draft - Part V 

Post#1281 » by Jay81 » Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:17 am

Dat2U wrote:I think it's a mortal lock the Wizards are taking Beal at #3 based on everything I've read.

Charlotte isn't seriously considering Beal. Only way Beal doesn't end up in the Wizards uniform is if a team trades up to #2 to take him.

Barnes is our fallback in that case. :x

I can live with Beal. Wouldn't have been my choice. I'm crushed were not getting MKG. I had really gotten my hopes up.

But if Beal turns out to be the next Mitch Richmond, I'll be quite happy.

Just be happy that we still have our 3rd pick. Ernie might of thrown that pick in a few years ago if he had made the same trade
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Re: 2012 NBA Draft - Part V 

Post#1282 » by LyricalRico » Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:19 am

Dat2U wrote:But if Beal turns out to be the next Mitch Richmond, I'll be quite happy.


Maybe then we can trade him for the next Chris Webber and come full circle!

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Re: 2012 NBA Draft - Part V 

Post#1283 » by jivelikenice » Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:20 am

Dat2U wrote:I think it's a mortal lock the Wizards are taking Beal at #3 based on everything I've read.

Charlotte isn't seriously considering Beal. Only way Beal doesn't end up in the Wizards uniform is if a team trades up to #2 to take him.

Barnes is our fallback in that case. :x

I can live with Beal. Wouldn't have been my choice. I'm crushed were not getting MKG. I had really gotten my hopes up.

But if Beal turns out to be the next Mitch Richmond, I'll be quite happy.


I'm still hoping we get MKG too. Hopefully they take him and swing a trade for a two guard or another 1st.
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Re: 2012 NBA Draft - Part V 

Post#1284 » by FAH1223 » Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:30 am

MAN, i'm jealous

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Re: 2012 NBA Draft - Part V 

Post#1285 » by Jay81 » Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:34 am

reports are that MKG is shooting very well in workouts

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The NBA individual workout circuit is almost complete. By now, most of the top players have completed their workouts or will complete them by the end of the week. We'll be watching closely over the next week to see if any workouts are added or if players are asked to come in for a second workout.

Here is a look at the top six players on our Big Board, with a rundown of where they have and haven't worked out.

1. Anthony Davis
Workouts: Hornets (6/19)
Analysis: It's hard to call this a "workout." Davis went in for a visit, met with team officials, had a physical and talked with reporters. It's not uncommon for the No. 1 pick to skip workouts altogether and just do visits. He doesn't need to go anywhere else. He's the No. 1 pick in the draft.

2. Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
Workouts: Wizards (6/15), Bobcats (6/18), Cavaliers (6/20)

Analysis: Unless something changes, Kidd-Gilchrist is done working out. He won't be visiting the Kings, Blazers or anyone else.

Team sources (sorry, can't take the agent's word on these) all say he looked good in workouts. He's not much of a drills guy and didn't particularly shine in those. However, I'm told he shot the ball pretty well wherever he went. Where Kidd-Gilchrist really stood out was in the competitive parts of the workouts. I heard he was especially aggressive going against Bradley Beal in Charlotte on Monday. Kidd-Gilchrist did tweak his back a little toward the end of the Charlotte workout, but was fine in Cleveland.
I'm told that his workout may have moved the needle a little in his favor during that Charlotte workout. The whole team was wowed by his competitiveness there. He's in the mix along with Thomas Robinson and Harrison Barnes at No. 2.
The Wizards have really liked him all season. But with the recent trade that landed them Trevor Ariza as part of the deal, I think it points them strongly in the direction of Beal.

The Cavs have their list narrowed down to MKG, Beal and Barnes. It's very difficult to get a read right now on which way the Cavs are leaning. I think if Beal's there, he's the most obvious candidate. They need a 2 desperately and need the shooting. If it's Kidd-Gilchrist versus Barnes, it may be a toss-up.

I don't see Kidd-Gilchrist slipping past the Kings at 5. No, he didn't work out there, but I don't think the Kings really need him to. He's exactly what they need.

3. Bradley Beal
Workouts: Wizards (6/14), Cavaliers (6/16), Bobcats (6/18)
Analysis: Beal is also done working out for teams unless someone trades into the top four.

Beal has been terrific in all three workouts, according to team sources. He's shooting the ball very well and, like Kidd-Gilchrist, is a very aggressive and competitive player in workouts.

I don't, however, get the feeling that he's at the top of Charlotte's list. It sounds to me like Robinson, Kidd-Gilchrist and Barnes all have a slight edge there. That might have to do with Gerald Henderson. The Bobcats really like him and may feel the need to add talent at a position where they need more help.

As I wrote in Mock 8.1, I think Beal is a perfect fit in Washington thanks to the trade that swapped Rashard Lewis for Trevor Ariza and Emeka Okafor. The Wizards need both a 2 and a shooter, and Beal looks like the perfect fit.

If he doesn't go to Washington, I also think he's the slight favorite for the Cavs at No. 4. At this point, I think his agent is right in that he won't slide past the fourth pick.

4. Thomas Robinson
Workouts: Wizards (6/13), Cavaliers (6/20), Bobcats (6/22)
Analysis: After Robinson finishes his workout in Charlotte on Friday, he's also done working out, I'm told.

The workout in Charlotte will be a big one for him. He's going head-to-head against Andre Drummond there. The Bobcats really liked Kidd-Gilchrist in his workout because of his aggressiveness and toughness. If Robinson can match that intensity on Friday, I think he has the leg up to go No. 2.

I don't really see Robinson going to Washington or Cleveland based on team needs. The Wizards are loaded with bigs. The Cavs rolled the dice on Tristan Thompson at No. 4 last year and I doubt they'll bring in Robinson. He's too similar to Thompson.

I don't, however, think he needs to work out in Sacramento. If he's on the board at No. 5, I think the Kings take him, no questions asked. He'd be a very good complement to DeMarcus Cousins in the low post.

5. Harrison Barnes
Workouts: Raptors (6/14), Cavaliers (6/16), Wizards (6/19), Bobcats (6/21)
Analysis: Barnes' last scheduled workout is today in Charlotte. He had another workout scheduled in Sacramento, but he's canceled it and it doesn't sound like he's rescheduling.

Barnes' biggest workout was Thursday in Charlotte. While Robinson and Kidd-Gilchrist would give the team toughness, defense and energy, Barnes would deliver something else the Bobcats desperately need: scoring. His two years playing for the in-state Tar Heels wouldn't hurt, either. As I'm writing this, I haven't yet received word on how he looked in his workout there, but he is in the mix at No. 2.

Barnes also had a strong workout in Washington on Tuesday. He went against John Shurna and Kris Joseph and by all accounts looked great. I do think he's an option for the Wizards at No. 3 if they decide to pass on Beal or if the Bobcats take Beal at No. 2. The Wizards believe Barnes can play some 2 and desperately need a great shooter.

Barnes also is a serious candidate to go No. 4 to the Cavs. As I've reported previously, the Cavs had Barnes No. 2 on their Big Board last year behind Kyrie Irving and is an obvious fit there. The team needs more shooters and could use the help at the 3. If Beal is off the board, I think it comes down to Barnes and Kidd-Gilchrist. While reports out of Cleveland said Beal bested Barnes at their workout together, team sources say the Cavs don't put a huge amount of stock in workouts and that both players were very good.

If Barnes slides past the Cavs, I think the Kings will scoop him up at No. 5.

6. Andre Drummond
Workouts: Kings (6/14), Blazers (6/16), Wizards (6/18), Cavs (6/20), Bobcats (6/22)
Analysis: Drummond is the odd man out trying to work his way into the top five. I'm told that his upcoming workout in Charlotte will be his last, though he might have to revise that if he believes the Kings and Blazers might pass on him at No. 5 and No. 6.

I've heard he had strong workouts in Sacramento and Portland, and I've also heard that the Wizards and Cavs workouts weren't as strong. Sports Illustrated's Sam Amick reported that Robinson destroyed Drummond in the Cavs workout. I haven't heard it described that strongly, but I do think Robinson was considerably more aggressive, and thus much better. Given the age difference, experience gap and different styles, you could expect that, however.

They'll have a chance to go head-to-head again in Charlotte. I do think Drummond gets a long look at No. 6 if he falls to the Blazers. However, it's not a guarantee. The team is also high on Damian Lillard and Dion Waiters and could decide they need a scoring guard over a big man project. If he slides past there, the Warriors and Pistons are his next two places to fall.

Other workout notes:

• Dion Waiters sits No. 7 on our Big Board. Some have been reporting he didn't do any team workouts, but that isn't true. I was in Vegas to watch Waiters work out on May 22 and 23, and the Raptors' Bryan Colangelo and Ed Stefanski were in there with me on May 23.

• Weber State's Damian Lillard has been doing only solo workouts. So far he has worked out for the Raptors (6/12), Kings (6/13), Blazers (6/15) and Warriors (6/17). The Hornets have been trying to get him in, but he'll come only if they agree to a solo workout. It's an interesting strategy for Lillard; I'm not sure whether it's going to help him or hurt him.

Of the teams he's worked out for, it sounds like the Blazers are the highest on him. He had a very strong workout in Portland that ended with a dinner invite from Paul Allen. The question is whether the Blazers take him at No. 6 or No. 11. With teams like the Warriors, Raptors and Hornets also high on Lillard, he might not be around by the 11th pick.

• Finally, Duke's Austin Rivers has kept his workout range very narrow. He's worked out for the Wizards (6/19), Blazers (6/20), Raptors (6/14) and Hornets (6/4). He also has an upcoming workout with the Cavs. That's essentially picks 3-11. I'm told he won't work out for the Bucks at No. 12 or the Suns at No. 13. While Rivers doesn't have a promise, I'm told he strongly believes he's not sliding out of the top 11.
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2012 NBA Draft - Part V 

Post#1286 » by Jay81 » Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:56 am

There is a high chance that cle moves up to 2 to get beal. Charlotte still gets Robinson or Barnes
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Re: 2012 NBA Draft - Part V 

Post#1287 » by 80sballboy » Fri Jun 22, 2012 5:03 am

I'd consider trading down. I don't think Beal is that much better than Terrence Ross. I don't think Rivers is all that. I do smell another deal coming during the draft.
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Re: 2012 NBA Draft - Part V 

Post#1288 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Fri Jun 22, 2012 6:08 am

If the Wizards were not gauging trade down options, there is no reason why Austin Rivers would have worked out in DC.

Looking at the Blazers sitting at 6 an 11, it wouldn't shock me if on draft night the Wizards gave up the #3 pick and Drummond for the #11 and Austin Rivers … if the Blazers also swap Blatche and Matthews. Portland could still select Waiters or Lillard at 6 and get Drummond for sure, if they are willing to take on Blatche.

If not them, the Wizards could be looking at Houston's picks in some sort of deal for Rivers. I recall hearing Austin Rivers and John Wall are close.
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Re: 2012 NBA Draft - Part V 

Post#1289 » by Illuminaire » Fri Jun 22, 2012 12:20 pm

Beal, to me, continues to look like a "total package" kind of SG. He will defend, he will help clean the glass, he will make the right plays on offense, he can get to the line, and he will knock down a lot of shots.

We might be able to get a better scorer than Beal later in the draft, but I don't think we can get a better player.
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Re: 2012 NBA Draft - Part V 

Post#1290 » by Jay81 » Fri Jun 22, 2012 12:38 pm

If Cleveland trades up to #2 to get Beal...we will have a choice of MKG or TROB or trade down. I believe trading the pick if Beal is gone is a possibility perhaps to Portland for 6 and 11

1) NO -Davis
2- Cle-Beal
3. Portland-MKG
4. Char-Thomas Robinson
5. Sacramento?--Drummond or Barnes
6. Washington Barnes or?????
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Re: 2012 NBA Draft - Part V 

Post#1291 » by dangermouse » Fri Jun 22, 2012 12:57 pm

I dont want Barnes.

If someone moves up to take Beal, then for god sakes Ernie, take MKG or TRob. Whichever you and the org feels is going to be the best player. Both could really help. F**k team needs, f**k fit, just take the best god damn player available that also has good upside. As a GM that is what you have scouts for and that is what you are supposed to be good at.

At #3 we are guaranteed one of Beal, TRob or MKG. I'm sure of those 3, EG and co. have a top 2. Earn your paycheck you bum and take the bpa.
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Re: 2012 NBA Draft - Part V 

Post#1292 » by mhd » Fri Jun 22, 2012 1:36 pm

If Portland wanted to trade up to Beal, I'd only do it if MKG were at 6. Only way that happens is:

1) NO-Davis
2) Cha-Robinson
3) Por-Beal
4) Cle-Barnes
5) Sac-Drummond
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Post#1293 » by Severn Hoos » Fri Jun 22, 2012 1:55 pm

mhd wrote:If Portland wanted to trade up to Beal, I'd only do it if MKG were at 6. Only way that happens is:

1) NO-Davis
2) Cha-Robinson
3) Por-Beal
4) Cle-Barnes
5) Sac-Drummond
6) Wiz-MKG


The beauty of that scenario is that the Wiz can take Beal at #3, then wait to see if MKG is on the board at #6. If so, then do the 3 for 6 & 11 deal. Plus, the compressed timeframe puts the pressure on Portland to make the deal on our terms (something Ernie's not used to since he normally does his trades a week ahead of the draft.... :roll: )

If MKG's not there, keep Beal and you have your SG for the next decade. Win-Win, either way.
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Re: 2012 NBA Draft - Part V 

Post#1294 » by nate33 » Fri Jun 22, 2012 2:24 pm

dangermouse wrote:I dont want Barnes.

If someone moves up to take Beal, then for god sakes Ernie, take MKG or TRob. Whichever you and the org feels is going to be the best player. Both could really help. F**k team needs, f**k fit, just take the best god damn player available that also has good upside. As a GM that is what you have scouts for and that is what you are supposed to be good at.

Agreed. And I think it's got to be MKG. It would be crazy to let the presence of Trevor freaking Ariza influence our choice.
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Re: 2012 NBA Draft - Part V 

Post#1295 » by jivelikenice » Fri Jun 22, 2012 2:40 pm

Severn Hoos wrote:
mhd wrote:If Portland wanted to trade up to Beal, I'd only do it if MKG were at 6. Only way that happens is:

1) NO-Davis
2) Cha-Robinson
3) Por-Beal
4) Cle-Barnes
5) Sac-Drummond
6) Wiz-MKG


The beauty of that scenario is that the Wiz can take Beal at #3, then wait to see if MKG is on the board at #6. If so, then do the 3 for 6 & 11 deal. Plus, the compressed timeframe puts the pressure on Portland to make the deal on our terms (something Ernie's not used to since he normally does his trades a week ahead of the draft.... :roll: )

If MKG's not there, keep Beal and you have your SG for the next decade. Win-Win, either way.


That's exactly how I would play this. Beal may be a better fit because ofhis shooting, ut if you can get MKG and #11 for him its a no brainer. I'd even throw in Booker or Singleton to make it happen
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Re: 2012 NBA Draft - Part V 

Post#1296 » by Higga » Fri Jun 22, 2012 2:49 pm

I'd rather have MKG than Barnes. I agree that we shouldn't let average to mediocre players determine our draft decision making, but most likely it will and we'll go Beal.

Could Barnes play SG at the NBA? I never saw him as anything more than a Luol Deng-type SF.
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Re: 2012 NBA Draft - Part V 

Post#1297 » by Jay81 » Fri Jun 22, 2012 3:00 pm

What if Cleveland moves up to 2 to take Beal. I think this is a real possibility. What do we do then with pick 6 and 11 if we trade 3.
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Post#1298 » by MDStar » Fri Jun 22, 2012 3:04 pm

Jay81 wrote:What if Cleveland moves up to 2 to take Beal. I think this is a real possibility. What do we do then with pick 6 and 11 if we trade 3.


We pass on the deal, select MKG and move on to the 2nd round.
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Post#1299 » by Saqs » Fri Jun 22, 2012 3:07 pm

I really hope we land Beal. He's the guy we need. If he's taken somehow beforehand i'll be a sad camper.
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Re: 2012 NBA Draft - Part V 

Post#1300 » by FAH1223 » Fri Jun 22, 2012 3:30 pm

i dont think Cleveland is trading up, they seem content with getting Barnes or MKG.
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