2012 NBA Draft - Part V

[7-Day Dray]

I still think Drummond is the guy we need to get. He has the most potential to become a superstar in this draft aside from Davis, and our roster lacks so much potential. If he develops, he can single-handedly change the course of this franchise. His physical tools are unreal -- 6'11.75" tall, 7'6.25 wingspan, 280 lbs w/ great lower body strength, had a 10.83 on the lane agility (reminiscent of a guard), and can jump out the gym.

His vertical of 33.5" is a half inch better than Shelden Williams. His standing reach is an inch shorter than Okafor.

His no step vert reach (which is more important than max vert by itself for big men) is 11'9", the 2nd highest in this draft. Plus, he's a quick, effortless jumper.

[DCZards]

Vesely is another guy who will lose minutes and I am not sure what his role will be. I don't know when or where he will play with Ariza and Okafor on board. I can understand holding on to him for his immense potential, but sitting him a year doesn't make sense to me. Playing him in front of big-salary guys, Okafor and Ariza isn't going to happen.

The verdict is still out on how many minutes Ves will play (or earn) next season. Unless it's a blockbuster trade for a player more proven than Babbitt and the #11 pick, I can't see moving Ves, at least not at this point, given his talent and potential.

[7-Day Dray]

Portland fan here...

Portland's board seems to want Lillard at six but I was wondering what picks you guys
have in the second round if Portland offers up 6,11 for 3.

I'd personally like for Portland to add MKG to the roster and if we had multiple second
round picks, we could go fishing for guys who might be good enough to make an NBA
roster and not be stuck with having to pay guaranteed money for more than one
rookie. We have cap space to sign free agents if the guys in the second round are
not ready to play right away.

If Beal is gone at 2, the Wizards could then drop back 3 spots and get two guys
instead of one guy to fill out your roster. Who would you guys want at six?

We have the #32 pick, I'd I'd include it in a swap for #6 & #11. Personally, I prefer Barnes or Drummond.

[tontoz]

I still think Drummond is the guy we need to get. He has the most potential to become a superstar in this draft aside from Davis, and our roster lacks so much potential. If he develops, he can single-handedly change the course of this franchise. His physical tools are unreal -- 6'11.75" tall, 7'6.25 wingspan, 280 lbs w/ great lower body strength, had a 10.83 on the lane agility (reminiscent of a guard), and can jump out the gym.

His vertical of 33.5" is a half inch better than Shelden Williams. His standing reach is an inch shorter than Okafor.

His no step vert reach (which is more important than max vert by itself for big men) is 11'9", the 2nd highest in this draft. Plus, he's a quick, effortless jumper.

Here again, an inch shorter than Okafor. Drummonds 10 reps on the bench don't impress me either.

This guy is not the physical freak you are making him out to be. He also has skill/attitude issues. No thanks

[7-Day Dray]

^Drummond's strength comes from his lower body. Dude has tree trunks for legs. And his lane agility time was 10.83, which is in guard range. That shows he's very agile, and should be great in guarding the P&R.

The standing reach was a little disappointing, but I found most of them this year a little fishy. Anthony Davis also had good height and freakish wingspan, but his standing reach was only 9'0".

[TGW]

I would stay far-far-far away from Drummond. He's Olowokandi 2.0, except Olowokandi tested and measured better during the combine than Drummond did.

[7-Day Dray]

I would stay far-far-far away from Drummond. He's Olowokandi 2.0, except Olowokandi tested and measured better during the combine than Drummond did.

Olowokandi is nowhere near the athlete Drummond is. I don't care what the test say. It's evident just by watching them play.

[Terpman]

Man people trying to get cute here. Screw your needs. If someone steals Beal then we take MKG and be happy with it.

If anything we should be trading half the roster to get a number top 6 pick, not trying to actively move down...ridiculous.

+1

[truwizfan4evr]

Man people trying to get cute here. Screw your needs. If someone steals Beal then we take MKG and be happy with it.

If anything we should be trading half the roster to get a number top 6 pick, not trying to actively move down...ridiculous.

I agree i don't like the idea of trading down i want the best talent available. If Beal is gone then we go after MKG or Thomas Robinson they have better star potential then a lower pick that we are trading down for. Give me the best scouted talent over a need any day.

[nate33]

Man people trying to get cute here. Screw your needs. If someone steals Beal then we take MKG and be happy with it.

If anything we should be trading half the roster to get a number top 6 pick, not trying to actively move down...ridiculous.

I agree i don't like the idea of trading down i want the best talent available. If Beal is gone then we go after MKG or Thomas Robinson they have better star potential then a lower pick that we are trading down for. Give me the best scouted talent over a need any day.

The premise isn't to trade down for need. It's that we think there's a good chance we get the guy we want at #6 rather than #3. It's risky though. Assuming Charlotte takes Beal at #2, it's a pretty good bet that Cleveland will want Barnes at #4. Presumably, we would want MKG. We would need for Portland to take one of TRob/Drummond, and for Sacramento to take the other, leaving MKG to fall to #6.

We would probably know who Portland would draft if they moved up to our spot, but the wildcard is Sacramento. Assuming Portland drafts Drummond, would Sacramento take MKG or TRob?

This is further complicated by the fact that Beal probably goes at #2 only if Cleveland moves up to take him. That means Cleveland would no longer be there at #4 to take Barnes, which increases the likelihood that MKG gets taken long before the 6th pick.

[FAH1223]

just take MKG at 3

[Floater]

If we make some calls and are assured that MKG will be there at 6, and the 6 + 11 for 3 deal is on the table, I say take it.

If it goes...
Davis (NO)
Beal (Cle)
Drummond (Portland)
Trob (CHA)
Barnes (SAC)
MKG (WAS)

Hell, I might even do it if it's Barnes instead of MKG

Then at 11, grab Ross or Waiters, preferably Ross since I think he can become a legit starting SG offensively and defensively, and I would be doing backflips all over the place.

It's my pipedream and I doubt it's likely but I can hope.

[truwizfan4evr]

just take MKG at 3

Exactly why make it so difficulty just take MKG at 3 then doing all this trading down. With a third overall pick i wouldn't want to take the risk. I would want to make sure we get the player we want at the third pick then trading down and hoping and wishing he falls to us if were to trade down for a lower pick. Its way to risky we might as well just hold on to are third pick.

[DallasShalDune]

Our Big Board should look like this:

1. Davis
2. Beal
3. Kidd-Gilchrist.

Take what's left or the higher-ranked player based off of this ranking.

Am I uncreative, or wrong? I don't know, but sometimes, the simplest answer is the best. We have a really high pick and can get a great 2nd option here, and maybe a 1st. Call it a day and stay at 3.

[truwizfan4evr]

Our Big Board should look like this:

1. Davis
2. Beal
3. Kidd-Gilchrist.

Take what's left or the higher-ranked player based off of this ranking.

Am I uncreative, or wrong? I don't know, but sometimes, the simplest answer is the best. We have a really high pick and can get a great 2nd option here, and maybe a 1st. Call it a day and stay at 3.

Exactly my point! We guarantee of getting one of them three guys you have mention. If one is taken then we take the other one lets keep it real simple.

[truwizfan4evr]

Man people trying to get cute here. Screw your needs. If someone steals Beal then we take MKG and be happy with it.

If anything we should be trading half the roster to get a number top 6 pick, not trying to actively move down...ridiculous.

I agree i don't like the idea of trading down i want the best talent available. If Beal is gone then we go after MKG or Thomas Robinson they have better star potential then a lower pick that we are trading down for. Give me the best scouted talent over a need any day.

The premise isn't to trade down for need. It's that we think there's a good chance we get the guy we want at #6 rather than #3. It's risky though. Assuming Charlotte takes Beal at #2, it's a pretty good bet that Cleveland will want Barnes at #4. Presumably, we would want MKG. We would need for Portland to take one of TRob/Drummond, and for Sacramento to take the other, leaving MKG to fall to #6.

We would probably know who Portland would draft if they moved up to our spot, but the wildcard is Sacramento. Assuming Portland drafts Drummond, would Sacramento take MKG or TRob?

This is further complicated by the fact that Beal probably goes at #2 only if Cleveland moves up to take him. That means Cleveland would no longer be there at #4 to take Barnes, which increases the likelihood that MKG gets taken long before the 6th pick.

Getting number six pick increase only are chancing of getting Harrison Barnes then MKg or Beal i don't want us to take that risk of Drafting Harrison Barnes.

[7-Day Dray]

Getting number six pick increase only are chancing of getting Harrison Barnes then MKg or Beal i don't want us to take that risk of Drafting Harrison Barnes.

What makes Harrison Barnes riskier than Beal and MKG? He has great size and his offense is more polished than both right now.

[Jay81]

based on Hollingers draft rankings...there is no risk with MKG...in fact he should be taken 3rd. Beal was like 9 or 10. If we get MKG..so be it. He will be a key piece to our future whenever that starts

[truwizfan4evr]

Getting number six pick increase only are chancing of getting Harrison Barnes then MKg or Beal i don't want us to take that risk of Drafting Harrison Barnes.

What makes Harrison Barnes riskier than Beal and MKG? He has great size and his offense is more polished than both right now.

I actually think Harrison Barnes is a Ernie type of player. I wouldn't be shocked at all if Ernie picks Barnes at pick number three. Don't get me wrong Barnes is very talented player but that melt down in the tourney scares me. Who has the better chance of becoming an all star out of Beal,Barnes or MKG?

[DallasShalDune]

I would say Beal's offense is more polished than Barnes's, 7 Day.