2012 NBA Draft - Part V

FAH1223 · Post #1461 » by **FAH1223** » Sun Jun 24, 2012 11:35 pm

truwizfan4evr wrote:
FAH1223 wrote:just take MKG at 3

Exactly why make it so difficulty just take MKG at 3 then doing all this trading down. With a third overall pick i wouldn't want to take the risk. I would want to make sure we get the player we want at the third pick then trading down and hoping and wishing he falls to us if were to trade down for a lower pick. Its way to risky we might as well just hold on to are third pick.

yeah... MKG with a J is the best (or 2nd best) player in this draft.

Knighthonor · Post #1462 » by **Knighthonor** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 12:54 am

http://www.nba.com/video/channels/draft ... rofile.nba

man this dude seem good.

http://www.nba.com/video/channels/draft ... eature.nba
people say he has a attitude problem. this video doesnt display that. anybody care to explain?

http://www.nba.com/video/channels/draft ... rofile.nba

this guy vs Beal. which is better for the Wizards?

truwizfan4evr · Post #1463 » by **truwizfan4evr** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 1:16 am

Really cant seeing Beal droping way down to 11 place

Knighthonor · Post #1464 » by **Knighthonor** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 1:23 am

truwizfan4evr wrote:Really cant seeing Beal droping way down to 11 place

"These rankings are based off of projected PER...thats Hollinger's thing"

gesa2 · Post #1465 » by **gesa2** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 1:45 am

Knighthonor, I think it's against the realGM site rules to post an article in it's entirety like that. Try quoting a section with appropriate attribution and a link instead.

Jay81 · Post #1466 » by **Jay81** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 1:47 am

"Essentially, you draft for talent and you trade for need." - Sixers president Rod Thorn, who once drafted a guy named Michael Jordan.

Knighthonor · Post #1467 » by **Knighthonor** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 1:55 am

http://nbadraft.net/forum/john-hollinge ... t-rankings

truwizfan4evr · Post #1468 » by **truwizfan4evr** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 2:00 am

I think Anthony Davis will be a very good player but i think he's a bit overrated. They calling him a superstar before he even step on the floor and they also said new Orleans will win 50 games for the next few season. He is still a tweener and lack the post moves to be a go to scorer. I think he will be solid but not as good as everyone making him out to be. This is the nba we have seen the most craziest stuff happen to over hyped players.

Ed Wood · Post #1469 » by **Ed Wood** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 2:12 am

I'm sure there's someone somewhere who has claimed that the Hornets are on track for a fifty win season but I don't think that's anywhere close to the popular consensus. Even if Davis is everything they'd like him to be the team's second best player would be a good but frankly overrated Eric Gordon trailed by Gustavo Ayon (seriously, probably the second best player on the roster currently) who is joined in competence by Jarrett Jack, Carl Landry, Jason Smith and a similarly overrated but not actually good Chris Kaman (and sort of Vasquez).

The team does potentially have the room to add pieces but it's hard to see them having the pull to vastly upgrade that group and it's not a very good one (though I think Monty Williams will probably do a better job with it than collective talent on the roster seems to portend). Plus, whatever benefits the trade provided it did in the short term remove two of the competent players from the roster, and left the team with Al-Farouq Aminu as its only real small forward, and he still mostly has his youth to recommend him.

Anyway, while I like Jared Cunningham no, he's not likely to be a satisfactory substitute for Bradley Beal, though I'd happily have him, and more than any attitude problems (of which there seems to be a little smoke but no real fire) the problem with Andre Drummond right now is that he's not really all that good at basketball and that's a pretty big turn off when you're looking to rescue your moribund franchise with a pick at the very top of the draft.

Knighthonor · Post #1470 » by **Knighthonor** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 2:16 am

truwizfan4evr wrote:I think Anthony Davis will be a very good player but i think he's a bit overrated. They calling him a superstar before he even step on the floor and they also said new Orleans will win 50 games for the next few season. He is still a tweener and lack the post moves to be a go to scorer. I think he will be solid but not as good as everyone making him out to be. This is the nba we have seen the most craziest stuff happen to over hyped players.

just curious, but what were some other over hyped players? I want to look them up.

Knighthonor · Post #1471 » by **Knighthonor** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 2:18 am

Ed Wood wrote:I'm sure there's someone somewhere who has claimed that the Hornets are on track for a fifty win season but I don't think that's anywhere close to the popular consensus. Even if Davis is everything they'd like him to be the team's second best player would be a good but frankly overrated Eric Gordon trailed by Gustavo Ayon (seriously, probably the second best player on the roster currently) who is joined in competence by Jarrett Jack, Carl Landry, Jason Smith and a similarly overrated but not actually good Chris Kaman (and sort of Vasquez).

The team does potentially have the room to add pieces but it's hard to see them having the pull to vastly upgrade that group and it's not a very good one (though I think Monty Williams will probably do a better job with it than collective talent on the roster seems to portend). Plus, whatever benefits the trade provided it did in the short term remove two of the competent players from the roster, and left the team with Al-Farouq Aminu as its only real small forward, and he still mostly has his youth to recommend him.

Anyway, while I like Jared Cunningham no, he's not likely to be a satisfactory substitute for Bradley Beal, though I'd happily have him, and more than any attitude problems (of which there seems to be a little smoke but no real fire) the problem with Andre Drummond right now is that he's not really all that good at basketball and that's a pretty big turn off when you're looking to rescue your moribund franchise with a pick at the very top of the draft.

but do you agree with the dude that saying MKG will have better per than Beal?

Ed Wood · Post #1472 » by **Ed Wood** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 2:22 am

Generally Hollinger does a pretty good job being right more often than most other people, and given that Kidd-Gilchrist isn't likely to be a guy who comes by a solid PER/WS/whatever dishonestly (e.g. the Charlie Villanueva way) I'd prefer Kidd-Gilchrist, which I did already. That said this is not a draft with more than one player who is shaping up to be transcendent so I struggle to have a strong preference.

Knighthonor · Post #1473 » by **Knighthonor** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 2:26 am

well I wonder what algorithm he uses. Because I wonder how MKG can help the wizards. what will he do against teams that have strong paint defense? stuff like that. How can he boost Wall (if Wall and Him dont shoot well) ?

Ed Wood · Post #1474 » by **Ed Wood** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 2:32 am

Yes, that is the catch, certainly. Most of his PER is likely going to be tied up in efficient finishing and strong rebounding, the comparison isn't a new one but something like a Kawhii Leonard situation. As for fit with Wall, I think they'd get by, though the team would have to compensate with shooting elsewhere. Of course with so much wiggle room in free agency it's not unreasonable to think the team might be able to add a couple of reasonably priced shooters, lucky for them they have that flexibility really, might not even be able to consider Kidd-Gilchrist otherwise.

Post #1475 » by **Rafael122** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 3:10 am

Houston wants to move up. Just curious to see if people would be opposed to trading the 3 for both of their first round picks?

Blatche + 3 for #14 and #16

At 14 and 16, should they be available, Perry Jones III and Jared Sullinger.

PG - Wall/Mack
SG - Crawford/John Jenkins
SF - Ariza/Jones III/Singleton
PF - Nene/Booker/Vesely/Sullinger
C - Okafor/Seraphin

We have some cap room to sign a mid-level guy, a shooting guard if need be or just hold onto that space. Possibly trade one of our bigs for a shooting guard as well.

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #1476 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 3:23 am

Four days until we will know the fate of the #3 pick and the #32.

--I believe there is going to be a draft night trade of Andray Blatche and one of the picks.

--If this were a draft prediction thread, I would say Blatche to Portland involving the #11 pick could happen. Blatche to Houston involving the #14 or #16 is even more likely to happen.

--The Wizards like Austin Rivers. They like Harrison Barnes. I don't want either of those guys. That is why I feel strongly Barnes or Rivers will be one of their picks.

Knowing the Wizards I bet they only pick one player on draft night, and they send another pick away with Blatche.

Stepping out on a limb, on 6/24/12, I predict Blatche will be sent to Houston.

hands11 · Post #1477 » by **hands11** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 3:32 am

jangles86 wrote:If the 6&11 picks for our three is true. I hope Portland are after MKG. That could mean Beal could drop past Cavs (Barnes) Kings (Drummond) and to pick 6.

Pick 11 we could roll the dice with Perry Jones, John Henson, Or even look at Jared Sullinger or Myers Leonard.

A Beal, Perry Jones draft would look great on paper.

I wouldn't walk away upset. As a second pick, Perry is a decent swing for the fence move.

But there are several good options if we found ourselves with the 11th pick. Kendal Marshall would be sweet as a back up to Wall. Maybe they could land Dion.

This is going to be a very interesting draft.

Dat2U · Post #1478 » by **Dat2U** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 3:44 am

I'm not sure what to think of the Wizards interest in Rivers.

To be honest, I'm kinda bleh on all the shooting guards after Beal and Waiters. I'm indifferent on Ross. J. Lamb seems like a tease. Barton would be a decent pick, but not in the lottery. Austin Rivers didn't impress me at Duke, but I can see why GMs like him. Confident, aggressive, quick first step, skilled and a coaches' son. I don't see Lamb or Ross being significantly better prospects than Rivers. If the Wizards took a gamble on him late lottery as a our 2nd lottery pick, I could live with it. To be honest after the first seven prospects in the draft, I'm still not sure what to make of it.

My top 7 are Davis, MKG, Beal, Waiters, Drummond, Lillard & Robinson. I still want MKG but I can live with the Wizards selecting any one on that list outside of Robinson (need) and of course Barnes. After my top seven, I'm just guessing. There are just a few guys that I like more than others. Nicholson, T. Jones, Leonard, Q. Miller, Henson & Crowder. Barton and Denmon to a lesser extent.

hands11 · Post #1479 » by **hands11** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 3:51 am

sfam wrote:I don't want to trade back. At all. I want our best chance to pick an all-star. To me that's probably either Beal or MKG. I'd be happy with either one. Not Harrison freaking mediocre starter Barnes.

Fine, let Cle come up and take Beal - we still get MKG. This is a fine draft to come out with even if we suck at shooting in the short term. If MKG has even a small chance of becoming LeBron lite, we jump on that.

I'm just having a hard time getting comfortable with MKG. Not sure why. Love the kids fire though.

truwizfan4evr · Post #1480 » by **truwizfan4evr** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 6:17 am

hands11 wrote:
sfam wrote:I don't want to trade back. At all. I want our best chance to pick an all-star. To me that's probably either Beal or MKG. I'd be happy with either one. Not Harrison freaking mediocre starter Barnes.

Fine, let Cle come up and take Beal - we still get MKG. This is a fine draft to come out with even if we suck at shooting in the short term. If MKG has even a small chance of becoming LeBron lite, we jump on that.

I'm just having a hard time getting comfortable with MKG. Not sure why. Love the kids fire though.

I don't see why you don't like MKG he is a very good player. He could help are team get too the next level with a improve jump shot witch he has time to improve and his lock down defense.