Trading the #2 pick - dicussion (merged)

[SWedd523]

Royce White looks like a bigger Gary Dourdan

[James Gatz]

None taken. But both ESPN and nbadraft.net have him listed as a SF. DX has him listed as a PF. So I dont think "clearly" is an appropriate word no matter which position one argues for Royce.

No it is. Watch him play.

[Eoghan]

Ohara, no offense but Royce is clearly not a 3. Anyone who listed him as a SF is on serious paint thinners. He's a point-forward but he can dominate the paint with his savvy and athleticism.

None taken. But both ESPN and nbadraft.net have him listed as a SF. DX has him listed as a PF. So I dont think "clearly" is an appropriate word no matter which position one argues for Royce.

Well then, they are dumb. Hoiberg ran a system very similar to LeBron's Cavs where Royce was a point-forward and was surrounded by shooters. They spread the floor while Royce worked in the post and drew doubles. I watched a gajillion Cyclone games this year, you'll have to trust me on this.

For example, in the Iowa St./Kentucky game during the tourney, guess who UK put on Royce? Terrence Jones with a little of MKG thrown in and they were both dominated. Calipari didn't want to risk Royce drawing fouls on Davis. White has plenty of beef to play PF and like Sullinger he knows how to use it. Unlike Sully, he can jump over a phone book.

[captaincrunk]

None taken. But both ESPN and nbadraft.net have him listed as a SF. DX has him listed as a PF. So I dont think "clearly" is an appropriate word no matter which position one argues for Royce.

Well then, they are dumb. Hoiberg ran a system very similar to LeBron's Cavs where Royce was a point-forward and was surrounded by shooters. They spread the floor while Royce worked in the post and drew doubles. I watched a gajillion Cyclone games this year, you'll have to trust me on this.

For example, in the Iowa St./Kentucky game during the tourney, guess who UK put on Royce? Terrence Jones with a little of MKG thrown in and they were both dominated. Calipari didn't want to risk Royce drawing fouls on Davis. White has plenty of beef to play PF and like Sullinger he knows how to use it. Unlike Sully, he can jump over a phone book.

He could jump over like 20 phone books.

[KembaWalker]

do they still make phone books?

[captaincrunk]

do they still make phone books?

Um, yes of course they do.

[KembaWalker]

do they still make phone books?

Um, yes of course they do.

thanks. philosophy student seemed like the appropriate person to ask about massive wastes of paper

[captaincrunk]

do they still make phone books?

Um, yes of course they do.

thanks. philosophy student seemed like the appropriate person to ask about massive wastes of paper

You would think reading to be worthless considering how little reading you do on this board. Or anywhere, I'm sure.

[KembaWalker]

2/10 comeback you can do better

[captaincrunk]

2/10 comeback you can do better

At least you're acknowledging my superiority.

If you're done trying to derail this thread with your crude understanding of paper I'm going to bed. Actually, I'm doing that in either case.

[ohara]

Houston just traded Chase Buddinger to Minny for #18. Dont like that deal for Minny. Houston now owns #14, #16 and #18. Good if they are going after Dwight Howard. Add those 3 to a player, and Orlando may move Howard. If there is no deal for Howard, those 3 picks are enticing as part of a deal for #2.

[fatlever]

i dont see the intrigue in trading #2 for a few mid first round picks. i also would not want to add more than 3 rookies to our team for next season. thats just a bad recipe. might be worth it to have a ton of picks in a draft deep with international talent, when you can stash some players overseas for a year or two. but this year is very thin with international guys, especially in the 1st round.

[Bassman]

Houston just traded Chase Buddinger to Minny for #18. Dont like that deal for Minny. Houston now owns #14, #16 and #18. Good if they are going after Dwight Howard. Add those 3 to a player, and Orlando may move Howard. If there is no deal for Howard, those 3 picks are enticing as part of a deal for #2.

Very interesting. However, I am not inclined to move 2 for all three picks, as we are more likely to end up with numerous role players versus an impact guy. I still prefer to deal for the 4 & 24, then move 24 and 31 up to get one of Houston's picks.

[fatlever]

Houston just traded Chase Buddinger to Minny for #18. Dont like that deal for Minny. Houston now owns #14, #16 and #18. Good if they are going after Dwight Howard. Add those 3 to a player, and Orlando may move Howard. If there is no deal for Howard, those 3 picks are enticing as part of a deal for #2.

Very interesting. However, I am not inclined to move 2 for all three picks, as we are more likely to end up with numerous role players versus an impact guy. I still prefer to deal for the 4 & 24, then move 24 and 31 up to get one of Houston's picks.

if houston already has 3 mid-first round picks, why would they want to trade one of those for 2 more picks? that would give them 4 mid/late1st/early 2nd round picks. more likely, houston is collecting assets to move up into the top 10, not back for more picks.

[ohara]

I'm just thinking of those 3 picks in addition to someone like Lowery. That would give us a quality PG and then 3 picks. Let DJ walk, and Lowery and Kemba give us a terrific tandem at the PG position. And who says we dont take 2 of those picks to move back up into the Top 10? All kinds of possibilities.

That said, I'm all for taking T-Rob at #2, or moving the # for the #4 and #24. Whatever Cho can pull off, I am sure it would be worth it.

[fatlever]

you really want to add 5 rookies to a team that was already the worst in history?

If it meant not having to watch Corey Higgins or Jamario Moon anymore, yes. This team just needs talent....at the end of the day, and this draft is deep enough where you can add talent later in the draft.

none of us want to see higgins or moon here next year. they simply werent NBA caliber players. however, 5 rookies and 7 players with 1 or less years, thats a disaster (especially when the rest of the team is made up of awful vets like diop, tyrus, maggette and carrol. thats 11 guys who either suck or have little to no experience.

we have to add some vets to this roster. vets who can still play a little (but cheap) and who can teach these youngsters how to be pros. maggette may talk the part in interviews, but nothing in his actions throughout his career suggests he is capable of being a mentor.

thor, mgk, barnes etc.. those guys might not be all-stars, but they must likely won't be out of the league in 3 years either. take the sure thing and move on. don't waste all our picks on the maybes like pjiii, sullinger, q miller, tjones in the middle of the 1st.

[fatlever]

I'm just thinking of those 3 picks in addition to someone like Lowery. That would give us a quality PG and then 3 picks. Let DJ walk, and Lowery and Kemba give us a terrific tandem at the PG position. And who says we dont take 2 of those picks to move back up into the Top 10? All kinds of possibilities.

That said, I'm all for taking T-Rob at #2, or moving the # for the #4 and #24. Whatever Cho can pull off, I am sure it would be worth it.

well, adding lowry to the mix is completely different. i've expressed previously that i'd be on board a trade of #2 for lowry and at least 2 of those houston picks.

i've soured on that a little bit lately, after hiring dunlap, since i have a better feeling about kemba under dunlap. i almost want to see what kemba can do. and lowry has continued to show his immaturity the past 5 months. i dont know how he would handle coming to an awful team like this. i'm not sure he has the personality for this.

[misterglover]

I still prefer the Cleveland trade but if thats not gonna happen and Houston swings and misses w/ Orlando then a trade something like this would personally peak my interest

Tyrus Thomas, Diop & #2 for Kevin Martin, #14 & #16

It gives us the scoring we need and the outside shooter Dunlap wants, Martin only has 2 yrs left on his contract so it would expire the same time Diops would have, he went to Western Carolina so i think we may even have a chance to re-sign him to a much lower contract of course, we save some $$ this year and we still get 2 players that can still contribute on this team and considering which mock you look at there are players like PJIII, Sullinger, Marshall, Lamb, TJones, Harkless, Leonard and Barton that are gonna be floating around in that range.

Thats a deal i think someone like Cho would have to look at

[BigSlam]

Look, with the way things are working out....I wouldn't mind if the Bobcats traded down to 4 just to pick up 24, then picked up those 3 first rounders that Houston has with the #4.

14, 16, 18, 24, AND 31?? That would bring back the talent we could use....

you really want to add 5 rookies to a team that was already the worst in history?

And 5 middle first/late first rookies at that!

We aren't talking 5 of the top 10 picks here.

[NataFresh]

Look, with the way things are working out....I wouldn't mind if the Bobcats traded down to 4 just to pick up 24, then picked up those 3 first rounders that Houston has with the #4.

14, 16, 18, 24, AND 31?? That would bring back the talent we could use....

you really want to add 5 rookies to a team that was already the worst in history?

And 5 middle first/late first rookies at that!

We aren't talking 5 of the top 10 picks here.

This draft is at least 20 deep w/ NBA rotation players....the Cats need talent....badly