2012 Draft, Part VI (Draft Week is Here!)

[Dat2U]

What are his standout traits. Yes, he has good mechanics on his jumper and was a highly-touted shooter coming in as a Fr, and while I do think he'll be a good shooter, I'm just not sold on his shot, especially since the NBA line is farther. His handle is solid, not great. He's not very shifty w/ the ball. He's more of a simple/straight-line driver that takes what he can get. He lacks an explosive 1st step, and I have questions at whether he'll be able to finish at the rim at a good rate in the pros....

He'll be a solid player, but not a star. The Wizards need a star player.

Are you talking about Beal or Barnes? I can't tell...

[truwizfan4evr]

The Wizards have received calls from a number of teams in recent days about trading the No. 3 pick, according to sources.

Charlotte is interested in trading down to pick Thomas Robinson while collecting additional assets in the process. The Cavaliers may use the No. 4 and No. 24 picks to move up to the No. 2 slot. Cleveland is interested in Bradley Beal and Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, but both could be off the board when the pick.

Washington is interested in Beal, Kidd-Gilchrist and Harrison Barnes.

[7-Day Dray]

What are his standout traits. Yes, he has good mechanics on his jumper and was a highly-touted shooter coming in as a Fr, and while I do think he'll be a good shooter, I'm just not sold on his shot, especially since the NBA line is farther. His handle is solid, not great. He's not very shifty w/ the ball. He's more of a simple/straight-line driver that takes what he can get. He lacks an explosive 1st step, and I have questions at whether he'll be able to finish at the rim at a good rate in the pros....

He'll be a solid player, but not a star. The Wizards need a star player.

Are you talking about Beal or Barnes? I can't tell...

Lol I knew someone would say that. I should've just made it simple and cut out all of the words. The main difference to me is just size. Barnes will have the advantage shooting over defenders, and while he needs to be more aggressive attacking the rim, I think he has more potential than Beal in this area because of the size advantage.

[B-easy]

^ Isn't Barnes a SF? Both guys have good size for there position in my opinion.

[jangles86]

I'm just getting the feeling that Barnes and Rivers will be Wizards players.

At least our shooting will be better...

[hands11]

And this is where we differ in opinion, I just don't see that potential. But regardless of how i feel i could be wrong. After all there's a reason why he's projected as a top 5 pick in this draft and I could just be letting his negatives blind me to his many positives, kinda like what you're doing with Barnes. Both players are young enough, talented enough and hard working enough to overcome the deficiencies their critics see in their games

The difference is that MKG's weakness: shooting, is typically one that gets better with time and experience. Barnes' weaknesses: aggressiveness and shot creation off the dribble, are ones that rarely improve once you get to the NBA level.

Its a personality type. Personalities are hard to change. Not impossible but a lot harder.

[dangermouse]

Barnes and Rivers?

I guess if Portland wants to move up to 3 to get Beal, if he's still on the board... Or maybe Drummond...

#3 and Crawford for #6 and #11?

We could walk away with:

MKG, Barnes, Beal, Drummond, Robinson, Lillard

Rivers, Ross, Leonard, Henson, Zeller, Lamb

One player from each group, depending on who rises/who falls...

Let's say MKG fell, and we came away with MKG and Ross.... hell yes, that trade looks amazing. But it would probably be more like Lillard and Ross or Rivers...

[hands11]

P'Oed, I would have no problem with another Luol Deng. I think Barnes is closer to another Jarvis Hayes or a lesser Calbert Cheaney.

I agree though I think his shoot will be a little better.


Cleveland wants Beal and has offered the No. 4 pick and either the 33rd or 34th pick to Charlotte for the No. 2 pick, which would allow the Cavs to jump ahead of Washington and land the Florida guard. The hangup is that Charlotte, not in love with anyone available at No. 2, wants Cleveland's 24th pick. Cleveland also has had conversations with Sacramento (No. 5) and Golden State (No. 7), but the Charlotte deal makes the most sense and sources say there is enough momentum and desire on both sides to get it done.The Bobcats like Robinson and Barnes, and at least one of them will be available at No. 4; if Cleveland got Beal with the second pick, Washington might take Barnes at No. 3, sources said.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/ken-b ... for-dwight


This really sucks. F ing Cleveland. I really wanted to see Beal here. And not only would be not be here but he would be in Cleveland

So they would have Kyrie and Beal. Very nice for them

[leswizards]

As a talent, I really don't have a problem if the Wizards end up with Barnes (assuming they have traded down). My problem with Barnes is I am not interested in drafting a player who refers to himself in the third person as a brand.

[verbal8]

My problem with Barnes is I am not interested in drafting a player who refers to himself in the third person as a brand.

Verbal says he agrees

I think the reports of shopping the 3rd pick are due to the possibility of Beal being snatched up at 2. Unless the move-up incentive is great, I think MKG is the best option at 3.

[Hoopalotta]

As a talent, I really don't have a problem if the Wizards end up with Barnes (assuming they have traded down). My problem with Barnes is I am not interested in drafting a player who refers to himself in the third person as a brand.

But, but....he wears understated cardigans and is a discerning connoisseur of sophisticated upholstery.

[hands11]

So how close to a done deal is this Cleveland trade up?

This really sucks. He is such the right fit both player and personality for this team. I really wanted to watch this kid in a Wiz uni.

For those that say it is about quality not quantity, maybe now they will consider the trade up idea I mentioned a while ago. I would hate to give up assets to move up but it is what it is and you have to do what you have to do.

With all the trade up trade down scenarios getting rumored, I have lost trade of how this draft will go down. I get the feeling this draft is going to be all over the place. Sucks we didnt just get the 2nd pick like we deserved. Would have been a lot cleaner.

The facts the two people that could screw us out of Beal involve MJ ( getting us back ) and Cleveland just makes it all the less palatable.

[tontoz]

P'Oed, I would have no problem with another Luol Deng. I think Barnes is closer to another Jarvis Hayes or a lesser Calbert Cheaney.

I agree though I think his shoot will be a little better.

It is hard to take you seriously when you keep mispelling basic words.

[nate33]

What about a trade with Charlotte to swap picks and secure the #2 pick for ourselves?

Washington trades: #3, Okafor
Charlotte trades: #2, Ben Gordon

Charlotte gets a more valuable player for the same contract, and we get a shooter who would fit alongside Wall. We could include a Jordan Crawford for Derrick Brown swap to help balance out both rosters.

[sfam]

I'm still hoping the Barnes stuff is just smoke, and that we'll be selecting MKG. Its looking likely that we won't get Beal at this point, which kinda blows, but only if it means we end up with Barnes.

[LyricalRico]

What about a trade with Charlotte to swap picks and secure the #2 pick for ourselves?

Washington trades: #3, Okafor
Charlotte trades: #2, Ben Gordon

Charlotte gets a more valuable player for the same contract, and we get a shooter who would fit alongside Wall. We could include a Jordan Crawford for Derrick Brown swap to help balance out both rosters.

The day after the NOH deal was announced, I would have done this. But now, I don't think so. The idea of an Okafor/Nene frontcourt has really grown on me.

[dangermouse]

We should just stay at #3. We are guaranteed one of MKG or Beal, whoever is left there...

Although, if TRob in 3 years is the next Kevin Love/Antawn Jamison with better athletecism........... ill look back and hate EG even harder.

[nate33]

Best Scenario: The Cleveland trade doesn't materialize. Charlotte grabs TRob. We take Beal.

2nd Best Scenario: Cleveland swaps picks with Charlotte. Cleveland drafts Beal. We swap picks with Sacramento (possibly dumping Blatche or picking up their #36 pick). Sacramento drafts TRob. Charlotte drafts Barnes. We get MKG at #5

3rd Best Scenario: Cleveland swaps picks with Charlotte. We draft MKG

Worst-Case Scenario: Anything involving us ending up with Barnes.

[nate33]

What about a trade with Charlotte to swap picks and secure the #2 pick for ourselves?

Washington trades: #3, Okafor
Charlotte trades: #2, Ben Gordon

Charlotte gets a more valuable player for the same contract, and we get a shooter who would fit alongside Wall. We could include a Jordan Crawford for Derrick Brown swap to help balance out both rosters.

The day after the NOH deal was announced, I would have done this. But now, I don't think so. The idea of an Okafor/Nene frontcourt has really grown on me.

Yeah, I'm really leery of a straight up Okafor for Gordon swap. I'd want some extra value back. We get that value here, but only because we were forced into the pick swap in the first place because of EG's idiotic decision to tip our hands on our draft target by making the Lewis trade so early.

[dangermouse]

Also, bit over a day to go!

I hope it is a pleasant surprise....