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The Official Draft Thread 2: Judgement Day

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Post#801 » by Revived » Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:41 pm

I want Perry Jones III on this team over Waiters. The guy is just misjudged and will probably turn out to be the biggest steal of this draft.

The Misevaluation Of Perry Jones
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Jun 27, 2012 2:14 AM EDT

When LeBron James didn’t win a championship in any of the first eight seasons of his career, people weren’t satisfied with explanations centered around X’s and O’s. There had to be something wrong with James, as if the playoffs were a morality tale and an inability to win an NBA Finals MVP revealed some sort of deep-set psychological issue.

As it turns out, the biggest difference between his performance in the 2011 and 2012 Finals wasn’t LeBron’s “killer instinct” but his “post game”. When a player isn’t performing up to his capabilities, it’s easy to point the finger at his character and whether he “wants to win”. In reality, the reason usually has more to do with what’s happening on the court than in the psyche.

In the 2012 NBA Draft, Baylor sophomore Perry Jones III has received the brunt of criticism from the armchair psychologists in the basketball community. An incredibly athletic 6’11, 235 forward with a 7’2 wingspan, Jones has one of the best combinations of size, skill and athleticism to come into the NBA in a long time.

However, in his two seasons at Baylor, he only averaged 13.7 points, 7.4 rebounds, 1.2 assists and 0.7 blocks on 52% shooting. Jones, a soft-spoken and unselfish player, didn’t pound his chest and he didn’t dominate that many collegiate games; therefore, the reasoning goes, he’s too “soft” to be an effective NBA contributor. As a result, a player with top of the lottery talent has slipped into the middle of the first round in many mock drafts.

But, unlike Anthony Davis, Jones didn’t walk into a situation where he would be playing with five unselfish future NBA players. In his two seasons for the Bears, the starting guards were AJ Walton (a defensive specialist), LaceDarius Dunn (a guard who lacked Kobe Bryant’s talent but not his willingness to shoot), Pierre Jackson (a score-first junior college transfer) and Brady Heislip (a shooting specialist). So while Davis got the majority of his points on alley-oops, dive cuts and fastbreaks, Jones didn’t have anyone creating easy baskets for him.

Tweety Carter, a four-year senior point guard who had played in the McDonald’s All-American Game, graduated the year before Jones came. And without an elite distributor, Scott Drew’s offense ground to a halt, becoming a loosely organized free-for-all. It’s hard for a big man to get in a rhythm offensively when he can’t count on getting the ball back if he passes it.

The situation was even more absurd on the other end of the floor. Despite having one of the most athletic teams in the country, Drew stubbornly played a 1-3-1 zone, a conceptually weak defense that’s almost never seen in high level basketball.

Most zone teams in college run some sort of variation of the 2-3, which leaves the free-throw line (where very few college big men are effective) open to defend the three-point line and pressure ball-handlers. In contrast, the 1-3-1 guards the middle of the floor at the cost of leaving the corner 3 (the most efficient shot in basketball) unguarded.

And while the 2-3 allows teams to attack passing lanes on the perimeter, the 1-3-1 concedes them. There’s no real way to defend a well-coached, top 25 team for 35 seconds in such a passive zone, yet Drew didn’t change to a man defense until the last game of the season, an Elite Eight loss to Kentucky.

With the formula for beating the 1-3-1 spreading widely through the Big 12, Baylor fell apart at the end of the season. A team that started 17-0 was barely above .500 to finish, going 13-8 in its last 21 games.

Jones, the team’s best player, was often blamed for the Bears struggles, especially as other big men had field days carving up Baylor’s zone. However, he wasn’t responsible for defending Thomas Robinson in their losses to Kansas, and zones, as a rule, give up a lot of offensive rebounds. So while Robinson, an undersized big man without the skill to dominate at the next level, became known for his heart, Jones became known for his lack of it.

The real question is how they would be perceived if they had switched teams. How would Jones have looked playing for Bill Self, an excellent strategist and tactician who adjusts his schemes to fit the talents of his best players? Meanwhile, how would Robinson have looked in the middle of a 1-3-1 zone while playing with guards either unable or unwilling to give him the ball?

I’ve never met Perry Jones, but I’ve watched him play a lot of basketball. And when there are tactical and strategic reasons for why a player isn’t maximizing his potential, I’m going to look at those before I start questioning his ability to succeed at a children’s game because of who he is as a human being.



If not Rivers, PJ3 is the guy who I want on the Suns. He will be our superstar player.
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Re: The Official Draft Thread 2: Judgement Day 

Post#802 » by jredsaz » Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:42 pm

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Aran Smith: We're hearing Bryan Colangelo and the Raptors are leaning towards Austin Rivers over Dion Waiters at 8.via Twitter


If this is true Waiters could slip.

Drummond will have to fall to 7.

If Houston trades w/GS it will most likely include Martin, not Lowery. GS looks for one of the Jones boys at 12.

Portland is really high on Ross and he goes at 11.

Hornets don't have Rivers on the board anymore so they go big, Zeller at 10.

1. Davis
2. Thomas
3. Beal
4. Barnes
5. MKG
6. Lillard
7. Drummond
8. Rivers
9.Henson
10. Zellar
11. Ross
12. PJIII
13. Waiters

:lol: Thats a long shot!
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Post#803 » by bwgood77 » Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:49 pm

I don't know if anyone has listened to the podcast with Bilas I posted, but he sees Marshall as a backup pg. He really likes all the swing guys...thinks Ross might be underrated.
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Re: The Official Draft Thread 2: Judgement Day 

Post#804 » by jredsaz » Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:58 pm

If the Rockets can't get D12, they will look at trading for Gasol. "A package of picks and Kyle Lowery," according to Chris Brousard, on ESPN's NBA Draft Preview. Imagine the Lakers selecting Waiters at 12. I would fire bomb Staples.
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Post#805 » by Revived » Thu Jun 28, 2012 12:06 am

I wish Babby and Blanks had the balls that Daryl Morey has.

Gotta love it if you are a Rockets fan, at least they are TRYING to improve the team while dum*** teams like the Phoenix stands PAT and watches.
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Post#806 » by harshey1388 » Thu Jun 28, 2012 12:19 am

jredsaz wrote:If the Rockets can't get D12, they will look at trading for Gasol. "A package of picks and Kyle Lowery," according to Chris Brousard, on ESPN's NBA Draft Preview. Imagine the Lakers selecting Waiters at 12. I would fire bomb Staples.



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Post#807 » by jredsaz » Thu Jun 28, 2012 12:23 am

sunsfan88 wrote:I wish Babby and Blanks had the balls that Daryl Morey has.

Gotta love it if you are a Rockets fan, at least they are TRYING to improve the team while dum*** teams like the Phoenix stands PAT and watches.


Houston has more assets to work with. However, if we started throwing around Gortat, Dudley, Frye in trade offers we could pick up some draft pics. It just looks like they are not interested in that.
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Post#808 » by Jarlaxle0204 » Thu Jun 28, 2012 12:37 am

The only reason why we wouldn't go throwing our players around for draft picks is if the front office thought Nash was actually coming back imo. I don't think it's gonna happen and if it doesn't, I don't understand why you don't just trade everyone you can for some draft picks. We're going to suck pretty bad without Nash next year so we won't really need to trade up to much next year. Let's pick up Waiters and PJIII this year.
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Post#809 » by DirtyDez » Thu Jun 28, 2012 12:45 am

Trade up for Waiters.
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Post#810 » by bwgood77 » Thu Jun 28, 2012 12:49 am

Video to get you ready for the draft....showing good late picks....lets hope the Suns pick this year ends up on a similar video in the future!

http://notbillwalton.lockerdome.com/media/98600264
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Re: The Official Draft Thread 2: Judgement Day 

Post#811 » by JMac1 » Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:14 am

sunsfan88 wrote:
JMac1 wrote:
sunsfan88 wrote:Bro stop your Nash fantasy. He ain't coming back. Its over. Suns are also not signing Wallace, or trading for Igoudala or Gay.



And you know this because? Oh...that's what I thought!

Common sense.


How is that possible after you said this:

sunsfan88 wrote:I want Perry Jones III on this team over Waiters. The guy is just misjudged and will probably turn out to be the biggest steal of this draft. If not Rivers, PJ3 is the guy who I want on the Suns. He will be our superstar player.





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Post#812 » by carey » Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:18 am

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I think he's closer to role player than superstar, but it's the draft. We have no idea what any of these guys will look like 5 years from now. Anyone pretending otherwise either works for ESPN or is kidding themselves.
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Re: The Official Draft Thread 2: Judgement Day 

Post#813 » by Kerrsed » Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:30 am

Bill Ingram:

The Houston Rockets are in hot pursuit of a lottery pick to try and lure Dwight Howard away from Orlando, but one issue they’re having in ongoing discussions with Toronto, according to a source familiar with the situation, is that the Raptors believe they have a real chance of landing Steve Nash, and so are reluctant to trigger a deal for Rockets point guard Kyle Lowry. The obvious appeal of bringing Nash home to Canada has Toronto hesitant to make a deal for another starting PG.


http://www.hoopsworld.com/2012-nba-draft-diary
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Post#814 » by Sunsdeuce » Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:30 am

carey wrote:
JMac1 wrote:Image


I think he's closer to role player than superstar, but it's the draft. We have no idea what any of these guys will look like 5 years from now. Anyone pretending otherwise either works for ESPN or is kidding themselves.


If ur saying perry jones is a role player, thumbs up!
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Re: The Official Draft Thread 2: Judgement Day 

Post#815 » by jredsaz » Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:31 am

Does anyone know when a team can renounce a players Bird Rights? I am dying to know.
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Re: The Official Draft Thread 2: Judgement Day 

Post#816 » by Kerrsed » Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:32 am

jredsaz wrote:Does anyone know when a team can renounce a players Bird Rights? I am dying to know.


I believe its on the 1st.
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Re: The Official Draft Thread 2: Judgement Day 

Post#817 » by Sunsdeuce » Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:34 am

Btw the rockets just got the 12 th pick from the bucks in exchange for Dalembert and the 14th pick.

Just throwing that out there.
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Post#818 » by Sunsdeuce » Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:35 am

/\ its offical. Coming from the Milwaukee journal sentienl.
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Post#819 » by bwgood77 » Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:36 am

Sunsdeuce wrote:Btw the rockets just got the 12 th pick from the bucks in exchange for Dalembert and the 14th pick.

Just throwing that out there.


Thanks for the lightning speed update! :D
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Re: The Official Draft Thread 2: Judgement Day 

Post#820 » by jredsaz » Thu Jun 28, 2012 2:03 am

Well, if we end up with Lamb, Jay Bilas has him rated 7 on his big board. Thats something.

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