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Re: was the gerald wallace trade a good deal 

Post#221 » by enetric » Thu Jun 28, 2012 4:44 am

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Preludepunk27 wrote:In all honesty, the Nets know exactly how much space they have now with the hold and they probably have an idea of what he wants in terms of a new contract so we have an idea of the cap space they'd have in that scenario.


Except it's not dependent on what the Nets want to offer, it's dependent on the market, which will not be set until free agency opens. The idea of him signing on the dot on the 11th is cute and all, but there is no guarantee that he won't wait to see how things pan out like Nene did. And if he does do that, then his caphold is an onerous one.



Lets say Dwight Howard doesnt happen...but Deron does re-sign and then Wallace takes his sweet time? Wouldnt shock me at all if King had to renounce Wallace's rights in order to go after someone else. Of course I think King feels pressure to re-sign Wallace to pretend to the world that his trade was justified...but at some point even his hand could be forced.

Great point btw about the cap hold from a player we had the cash to pursue anyway.
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Re: was the gerald wallace trade a good deal 

Post#222 » by deepblueday » Thu Jun 28, 2012 5:08 am

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deepblueday wrote:some fresh new thinking on kings rationale: lotto teams are bad, deron knows this, if he saw us picking all early in the draft and stuff his mind would pretty much be made up for him. we had to ditch that pick as quickly as possible. in a way, picking in the top 6 would have been the worst thing to ever happen to this franchise.

the gerald wallace trade was a good deal.



THAT MAKES ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE BECAUSE WE ARE A LOTTERY TEAM!!!!

We have been for several years now. Are you saying that Deron Williams is so stupid that he would think more of his lottery team going forward without the pick than if they had it? That somehow it will make him feel better to see that we have NOTHING to show for the pick?

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Re: was the gerald wallace trade a good deal 

Post#223 » by vincecarter4pres » Thu Jun 28, 2012 6:38 am

Damn it E, I feel like you came to my house and kicked my 16 year old sickly dog into a roaring fireplace!
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Post#224 » by Eyeamok » Thu Jun 28, 2012 7:02 am

King Doesn't Regret Decision To Trade Pick For Wallace

Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/22 ... z1z4KpHR7Y

He does realize he could have gone after Wallace when he was a FA right?
If he did not think the draft class was so good he could have traded the pick right?
He does realize that even if he does not think the draft is great there was someone
they could have drafted that could be used as trade bait or as a useful reserve right?

King is amazing.
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Post#225 » by SpeedyG » Thu Jun 28, 2012 12:00 pm

King is just so baws like that. King need no pick, he king.
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Post#226 » by ihateJayz » Thu Jun 28, 2012 2:20 pm

i actually feel my blood boiling everytime i see that picture of billy king that real gm uses.
AWFUL TRADE. of course everyone likes wallace but his career is on the decline and at this point would be best going to a team where he isnt really relied on to do much else but play d. and true i think davis will be the only all star but i do see alot of players being the same caliber of players gerald wallce was in his prime. to be honest wallace is fading now and will be FADED in 3 years. i never understood how billy king got a job after the awful job he did in philly.

u know how u know sh*ts f*cked? look at our poll on which position we should focus on in the offseason. THEY ALL HAVE THE SAME AMOUNT OF VOTES
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Post#227 » by closg00 » Thu Jun 28, 2012 5:30 pm

Came-by to express my sympathies, I don't know why Billy King's head isnt already on a stake outside the arena grounds.
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Re: was the gerald wallace trade a good deal 

Post#228 » by enetric » Thu Jun 28, 2012 6:22 pm

vincecarter4pres wrote:Damn it E, I feel like you came to my house and kicked my 16 year old sickly dog into a roaring fireplace!


Really? How so?
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Post#229 » by enetric » Thu Jun 28, 2012 6:31 pm

Eyeamok wrote:King Doesn't Regret Decision To Trade Pick For Wallace

Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/22 ... z1z4KpHR7Y

He does realize he could have gone after Wallace when he was a FA right?
If he did not think the draft class was so good he could have traded the pick right?
He does realize that even if he does not think the draft is great there was someone
they could have drafted that could be used as trade bait or as a useful reserve right?

King is amazing.



I dont have a problem with King for defending his bad decision publicly. I have a problem with beet writers who dont know how to ask follow up questions because they spend little time understanding things like the cap, bird rights, etc. Its not enough to ask do you regret making the trade. A reporter should be asking the Sme QUESTIONS you JUST ASKED!!!! As in...why was in necessary to make the trade for 17 games of the last season? With the most cap room in the NBA why not pursue him in July? What advantage does trading a high lottery pick give you to signing him when he is an UFA and every team can go after him? And if he cites Bird rights...ask him to elaborate. Do you see him as a max type player at 31 with his stats declining?

Tired of half asssed sports writers who wont ask the right questions.
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Re: was the gerald wallace trade a good deal 

Post#230 » by SteveNets15 » Thu Jun 28, 2012 6:50 pm

It was a stupid trade, I think he would've traded the pick either way but he should've at least waited for the draft.
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Re: was the gerald wallace trade a good deal 

Post#231 » by NyCeEvO » Thu Jun 28, 2012 8:06 pm

enetric wrote:
Eyeamok wrote:King Doesn't Regret Decision To Trade Pick For Wallace

Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/22 ... z1z4KpHR7Y

He does realize he could have gone after Wallace when he was a FA right?
If he did not think the draft class was so good he could have traded the pick right?
He does realize that even if he does not think the draft is great there was someone
they could have drafted that could be used as trade bait or as a useful reserve right?

King is amazing.



I dont have a problem with King for defending his bad decision publicly. I have a problem with beet writers who dont know how to ask follow up questions because they spend little time understanding things like the cap, bird rights, etc. Its not enough to ask do you regret making the trade. A reporter should be asking the Sme QUESTIONS you JUST ASKED!!!! As in...why was in necessary to make the trade for 17 games og he last season? With the most cap room in the NBA why not pursue him in July? What advantage does trading a high lotto pick give you to signing him when he is an UFA and every team can go after him? And if he cites Bird rights...ask him to elaborate. Do you see him as a max type player at 31 with his stats declining?

Tired of half asssed sports writers who wont ask the right questions.

That's basically what I said on the GB.

Why would anyone be surprised that King would no longer support his decision to trade for Wallace? In such a pivotal offseason for re-signing D-Will, the last thing any superstar player wants to see is a lack of confidence in his abilities. Even though the trade was beyond ridiculous, King will continue to defend this trade until he knows it won't cost him anything to admit that he "could've done things differently".

And saying "I could've done things differently" is the most he'll say because that's every GM's way of saying "I screwed up badly".
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Re: was the gerald wallace trade a good deal 

Post#232 » by deepblueday » Thu Jun 28, 2012 8:45 pm

enetric wrote:
vincecarter4pres wrote:Damn it E, I feel like you came to my house and kicked my 16 year old sickly dog into a roaring fireplace!


Really? How so?


in your rush to forcefully reiterate what has been said over and over again, you missed some pretty blatant sarcasm
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Re: was the gerald wallace trade a good deal 

Post#233 » by enetric » Thu Jun 28, 2012 9:05 pm

I dont think that is what VC4P meant.

Sorry if I missed that your post was meant to be sarcastic. THe others I replied to were not.
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Re: was the gerald wallace trade a good deal 

Post#234 » by vincecarter4pres » Thu Jun 28, 2012 10:29 pm

enetric wrote:
vincecarter4pres wrote:Damn it E, I feel like you came to my house and kicked my 16 year old sickly dog into a roaring fireplace!


Really? How so?

It was a joke, but by making me think about the harsh reality of this trade in depth again lol.
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Re: was the gerald wallace trade a good deal 

Post#235 » by Jersey Generals » Sun Jul 1, 2012 7:35 pm

Yes, it was a good deal.

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