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Draft Results: Damian Lillard, Meyers Leonard, Will Barton.

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Re: Draft Results: Damian Lillard, Meyers Leonard, Will Bar 

Post#41 » by BlazertheGreek » Fri Jun 29, 2012 4:16 pm

Khazim wrote:I thought the draft was very solid. I keep hearing people saying we were too safe with our picks, but I just don't see it. Both Leonard and Lillard have very high upside. They do have risk as well, as did everyone besides Davis in this draft. I also don't see what possible better picks we could have taken, and even though it looks like we picked for need, it was also BPA, so I call that a serious win.

I was pretty disappointed that we didn't package the 2nd rounders to move up, but I think we got a great pick in Barton. Selling the #41 is pretty sad, but I have a feeling it was to throw the Nets a bone for trading us the #6.

Good analysis on NBA.com that I pretty much agree with:
http://www.nba.com/video/channels/draft ... review.nba


Agreed, and thanks for the link, that was good analysis.
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Re: Draft Results: Damian Lillard, Meyers Leonard, Will Bar 

Post#42 » by Beeboywhoo » Fri Jun 29, 2012 4:24 pm

man, imagine though if lillard turns out to be an Allen Iverson, Steve Francis, or prime b diddy
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Post#43 » by Shem » Fri Jun 29, 2012 4:26 pm

BlazertheGreek wrote:
Khazim wrote:I thought the draft was very solid. I keep hearing people saying we were too safe with our picks, but I just don't see it. Both Leonard and Lillard have very high upside. They do have risk as well, as did everyone besides Davis in this draft. I also don't see what possible better picks we could have taken, and even though it looks like we picked for need, it was also BPA, so I call that a serious win.

I was pretty disappointed that we didn't package the 2nd rounders to move up, but I think we got a great pick in Barton. Selling the #41 is pretty sad, but I have a feeling it was to throw the Nets a bone for trading us the #6.

Good analysis on NBA.com that I pretty much agree with:
http://www.nba.com/video/channels/draft ... review.nba


Agreed, and thanks for the link, that was good analysis.

You mean the link I posted at 7:04am that was re-posted at 8:48am by Khazim? ;)
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Re: Draft Results: Damian Lillard, Meyers Leonard, Will Bar 

Post#44 » by GreenRiddler » Fri Jun 29, 2012 4:27 pm

FWIW first summer league game for Blazers has us facing the Hornets...Rivers VS Lillard Davis VS Leonard also Wesley, Babbitt, Barton and Nolan Smith. July 15
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Post#45 » by re49gb_2gho32fp » Fri Jun 29, 2012 4:28 pm

Looks like Barton was a BPA pick on the surface, clearly blazers had good depth a sg already. Intriguing skill-set.
Steal? Barton's frame is really worrying. 15lbs more at least.

Did anyone else think Toronto reached at #8, wouldn't Ross quite possible have been available at #11?
I question whether blazers really did any serious effort to trade up and get Drummond.

In general, national media/writers (that i've browsed thus far) articulates a consensus that both blazers 1st round picks were dubious/reaching at their respective slots.
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Re: Draft Results: Damian Lillard, Meyers Leonard, Will Bar 

Post#46 » by GreenRiddler » Fri Jun 29, 2012 4:31 pm

shaolin wrote:Looks like Barton was a BPA pick on the surface, clearly blazers had good depth a sg already. Intriguing skill-set.
Steal? Barton's frame is really worrying. 15lbs more at least.

Did anyone else think Toronto reached at #8, wouldn't Ross quite possible have been available at #11?
I question whether blazers really did any serious effort trade up and getting Drummond.

In general, national media articulates a consensus that both blazers 1st round picks were dubious/reaching at their respective slots.

Leonard you could argue but not Lillard, regardless though It is the Blazers draft board not NBA.com, they worked out the guys scouted them all year evaluated them mentally, not some blogger on cbs sports....
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Re: Draft Results: Damian Lillard, Meyers Leonard, Will Bar 

Post#47 » by Khazim » Fri Jun 29, 2012 4:32 pm

Shem wrote:
BlazertheGreek wrote:
Khazim wrote:I thought the draft was very solid. I keep hearing people saying we were too safe with our picks, but I just don't see it. Both Leonard and Lillard have very high upside. They do have risk as well, as did everyone besides Davis in this draft. I also don't see what possible better picks we could have taken, and even though it looks like we picked for need, it was also BPA, so I call that a serious win.

I was pretty disappointed that we didn't package the 2nd rounders to move up, but I think we got a great pick in Barton. Selling the #41 is pretty sad, but I have a feeling it was to throw the Nets a bone for trading us the #6.

Good analysis on NBA.com that I pretty much agree with:
http://www.nba.com/video/channels/draft ... review.nba


Agreed, and thanks for the link, that was good analysis.

You mean the link I posted at 7:04am that was re-posted at 8:48am by Khazim? ;)

Sorry Shem, didn't see that. Good link though. :)
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Re: Draft Results: Damian Lillard, Meyers Leonard, Will Bar 

Post#48 » by Shem » Fri Jun 29, 2012 4:33 pm

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Post#49 » by GreenRiddler » Fri Jun 29, 2012 4:35 pm


Click on D-Rose...
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Post#50 » by GreenRiddler » Fri Jun 29, 2012 4:38 pm

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Click on D-Rose...

better yet go to Barton then click Kobe o_O
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Post#51 » by Wizenheimer » Fri Jun 29, 2012 4:46 pm

shaolin wrote:
In general, national media/writers (that i've browsed thus far) articulates a consensus that both blazers 1st round picks were dubious/reaching at their respective slots.


people posted a link from NBA.com earlier in this thread:

http://www.nba.com/video/channels/draft/2012/06/29/20120628_draft_blazers_review.nba

it's only 5 minutes of your life, but it does present an alternative view to those media people you have been reading
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Post#52 » by GreenRiddler » Fri Jun 29, 2012 4:56 pm

Barton has ridiculous court vision and some nifty passing skills, also why do they list 3 point shooting as a weakness? he shot 35%
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Post#53 » by Shem » Fri Jun 29, 2012 5:02 pm

GreenRiddler wrote:Barton has ridiculous court vision and some nifty passing skills, also why do they list 3 point shooting as a weakness? he shot 35%

Meanwhile Bradley Beal shot .339 from the 3-point line which is lower than Barton's and that is listed as Beal's strength. It's funny how people think!
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Re: Draft Results: Damian Lillard, Meyers Leonard, Will Bar 

Post#54 » by GreenRiddler » Fri Jun 29, 2012 5:03 pm

Shem wrote:
GreenRiddler wrote:Barton has ridiculous court vision and some nifty passing skills, also why do they list 3 point shooting as a weakness? he shot 35%

Meanwhile Bradley Beal shot .339 from the 3-point line and that is listed as his strength. It's funny how people think!

yea that's odd too I guess it's about upside.
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Post#55 » by JD45 » Fri Jun 29, 2012 5:13 pm

Good article on Leonard:

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketb ... basketball

Lots of real life stuff but this quote was interesting:
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Post#56 » by GreenRiddler » Fri Jun 29, 2012 5:13 pm

OMG OMG OMG OMFG no qualify offer to OJ Mayo UFA BABY!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post#57 » by sisibilio » Fri Jun 29, 2012 5:18 pm

GreenRiddler wrote:OMG OMG OMG OMFG no qualify offer to OJ Mayo UFA BABY!!!!!!!!!!!

Why? He isn't that much of an upgrade over Mathews. i'd rather spend the money filling other needs and give a chance to Elliot to prove himself.

About the draft, i wanted Drummond but can't tell anything about Lillard since never saw him play so let's wait and see. Leonard was a solid pick IMO.
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Post#58 » by fishnc » Fri Jun 29, 2012 5:21 pm

Will Barton was my favorite pick of the night. I think he is at least as good as Elliott Williams is right now.

I don't have any faith in Lillard becoming a franchise player. If we are putting all our eggs in that basket, we are in trouble. I have no problem with him as our starting PG, but hopefully there is a plan to bring in a true first option via trade or FA.

The Leonard pick was just dull. Best case scenario, I could see him turning out Chris Kaman type numbers. If that is the case, then he was a good value pick at 11, but I think that he's at least 3-4 years of development away from that kind of production.

I preferred Lillard over Barnes at 6, but I think it was a huge mistake to pass on Drummond. If we had taken Drummond at 6, I would have liked to see us take Lamb or Marshall at 11. What I really wish is that we had been able to find a way to package 6 and 11 to move up to 2 or 4 to select Beal or Robinson.

Since we seemingly filled our needs through the draft, it will be interesting to see how we spend that $18 million in FA.
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Re: Draft Results: Damian Lillard, Meyers Leonard, Will Bar 

Post#59 » by GreenRiddler » Fri Jun 29, 2012 5:23 pm

sisibilio wrote:
GreenRiddler wrote:OMG OMG OMG OMFG no qualify offer to OJ Mayo UFA BABY!!!!!!!!!!!

Why? He isn't that much of an upgrade over Mathews. i'd rather spend the money filling other needs and give a chance to Elliot to prove himself.

About the draft, i wanted Drummond but can't tell anything about Lillard since never saw him play so let's wait and see. Leonard was a solid pick IMO.

Just gives us more options, you never know who Olshey could target, and IMO O.J. Mayo is just what we need a ball handler and a starter, I like We$ but he is not a starter unless you have a Durant and Westbrook on your team I think we could move We$ and sign Mayo or Move E-Will and sign Mayo. Plus we would not have gone after him if he was RFA now our chances of pursuing him increase.
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Post#60 » by Wizenheimer » Fri Jun 29, 2012 5:32 pm

coming into the draft, I had reservations about a lot of the players. Actually, with all of them

For Lilliard, I guess it was twofold: I was concerned with the level of competition he faced; and I was not impressed with his speed times at the combine

as to those speed drills - he was exactly average in the agility drill, and a little below average in the sprint. Some of my concerns about that were blunted though....I was watching online one of the many evaluations of prospects. One of the "experts" made what I thought was a valid point: he said the drills just measured a player moving around on the court. But for a PG, what is more important is their speed with the ball, and that he believed Lilliard was one of those players who was just about as fast with the ball as without. Whether that is accurate or not I don't know, but it does make a lot of sense

another factor that moderated my worry about Lilliard was seeing how he performed in the advanced stat areas. Tom Penn touched on it during the ESPN broadcast. I'm sure I put more credence into stats then most people, but still, they are fairly useful tools. Anyway, Lilliard was one of the most efficient players in college basketball. His points/possession on transition, pick-n-roll, off-screen, spot-up, and jump-shot were all excellent. IIRC, his off-screen and spot-up numbers were top-3 in the country. He was 2nd in top-100 in FT attempts/40 minutes. He averaged 24.5 points on only 15.5 shots. He's also got strong left-hand moves.

as far as his level of competition, there's really no way to determine if that is a significant factor or not. There is this though: Stephen Curry is from a smaller school. And in those categories I listed above, Lilliard apparently beat Curry across the board, in some cases by significant margins. That's not saying he will be as good as Curry. But it does inspire a little bit of confidence, especially considering the two are about the same size, with about the same times in the combine sprint and agility drill. But Lillard had a much better wingspan and was considerably better in the verticals

And by all accounts, Lillard is a class individual with a strong work ethic.

As far as Meyers Leonard, if you're comparing him to Zeller or Henson, I don't see how you can make much of a case that either of the others were better. Leonard is big and he's mobile

I know it was popular last night to condemn the choices as not being BPA. But what exactly does BPA mean? (and I use the term too) It sure seems that the BPA debate on Lillard is between him and Drummond-Barnes. And for Leonard, the alternative was Lamb.....

Really??...that's enough to go ballistic?? I could understand if Thomas Robinson was available at #6. But we all know the issues with Drummond, and if portland retains Batum, Barnes would be redundant as he's not a ball-handler. Saying BPA has to be subjective, and in these cases, it's simply code for either "I liked the other guy more" or "I don't like this guy"

Personally, I would not feel any better if the Blazers would have taken Drummond and Lamb or Barnes and Lamb. I think to feel otherwise is valid. But to feel otherwise as strongly and venomously as some have demonstrated is kind of ridiculous.

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