Summer 2012 Free Agents Thread - Part II

[Dat2U]

Agree to disagree because I'm not re-living this argument again, lol.

[jivelikenice]

It's Walls position. Whoever they bring in will get maybe 10-12 minutes of playing time. If that.

Its Wall's position but I got to disagree that they're looking for someone for only 10 minutes a game. I think they're looking for someone that can give Wall 15 minutes of solid rest a night, but someone who can also play alongside of Wall on occasion. Mack & Wall doesn't work because Mack doesn't give enough offensively to keep him on the floor with Wall. If Lucas gets hot, you can still bring in Wall and have Wall defend the 2 while brining the ball up the floor. They need an instant offense type of pg....

[nate33]

Washington may see Randy Foye as an option, according to a source.

https://twitter.com/#!/Andrew_Perna

[GhostsOfGil]

Washington may see Randy Foye as an option, according to a source.

https://twitter.com/#!/Andrew_Perna

http://www.nooooooooooooooo.com/

[nuposse04]

Washington may see Randy Foye as an option, according to a source.

https://twitter.com/#!/Andrew_Perna

he shot 39% from the 3 last year...of course he also shot 40% from the field in general

he had a 4 mil per year contract...I have to think he is probably looking for something similar to that. I wouldn't mind having his 3 point shooting, because quite frankly we have bigs that are legitimate threats that defenses will clamp into...but not sure we have the cap to attract him.

[closg00]

Washington may see Randy Foye as an option, according to a source.

https://twitter.com/#!/Andrew_Perna

PR smoke, I don't believe any of these leaks. Don't we only have the vet minimum to offer?

[nate33]

Washington may see Randy Foye as an option, according to a source.

https://twitter.com/#!/Andrew_Perna

PR smoke, I don't believe any of these leaks. Don't we only have the vet minimum to offer?

We've got the full MLE. However, if the contract extends 2 years, we will run into luxtax problems unless we amnesty Blatche.

[nate33]

Washington may see Randy Foye as an option, according to a source.

https://twitter.com/#!/Andrew_Perna

[jivelikenice]

Do we have the necessary space to trade Crawford for Foye at a $4MM per type of deal?

[nate33]

Do we have the necessary space to trade Crawford for Foye at a $4MM per type of deal?

No. We are over the cap. You can't use the MLE exemption to offset an imbalance in salaries on a trade.

[TGW]

Rather have Randy than Jordan Crawford, that's for damn sure.

[jivelikenice]

Rather have Randy than Jordan Crawford, that's for damn sure.

+1. No brainer if there ever was one.

[hands11]

Edit: for reference on this "no good bigs are ever traded" claim:

Robert Parish
Kevin McHale
Kevin Garnett
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Pau Gasol
Jermaine O'Neal
Shaq
Chris Webber
Sheed

that enough for everyone, or should I keep going?

Sigh.

If you look at my post, I said no good young bigs are ever traded. You have to wait until their 7th year (at the earliest) because of the nature of the CBA and rookie contracts. Teams keep their good rookies for the 4-year duration of the rookie contract, and players always resign with their current team for at least 3-years because to do otherwise results in them leaving a lot of money on the table.

None of your examples apply because the rules of the CBA weren't in place at the time and/or those bigs were traded when they were no longer young.

Shaq, Webber and Sheed were young when traded. Saying the don't apply to the new CBA is kind of a catch all since it only kicked in last year.

[nate33]

My point applies from 2006 (the start of the last CBA) onward. That was when the rookie scale was implemented along with the rules that give advantages to the team trying to retain a free agent.

Any free agent who is able to get max or near max money upon completion of their rookie deal will always stay with their existing team. If they want to move, they must first play a fifth season under the Qualifying Offer, when they will be paid much less than a max salary.

The quickest avenue to unrestricted free agency while also maximizing salary potential is to serve out the 4 year rookie contract, sign a 3 year max extension, and then become an unrestricted free agent just at the time when max salaries rise (a 7 year vet max salary is much higher than a 6-year vet max salary).

[hands11]

According to Wizard Insider, we placed a call to Hinrich's reps as well as John Lucas' III reps.

Makes sense to test the waters on Hinrich but I didn't actually think they would take my advice and do it. Very interesting. Maybe they have seen enough of Mack already. It does seem like he has a large hill to climb to establish himself as a solid #2. Without being there to see his offseason progress it is hard to gauge what they might do.


JL3 I hadnt considered him.
http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/bulls/p ... -lucas-iii

[hands11]

My point applies from 2006 (the start of the last CBA) onward. That was when the rookie scale was implemented along with the rules that give advantages to the team trying to retain a free agent.

Any free agent who is able to get max or near max money upon completion of their rookie deal will always stay with their existing team. If they want to move, they must first play a fifth season under the Qualifying Offer, when they will be paid much less than a max salary.

The quickest avenue to unrestricted free agency while also maximizing salary potential is to serve out the 4 year rookie contract, sign a 3 year max extension, and then become an unrestricted free agent just at the time when max salaries rise (a 7 year vet max salary is much higher than a 6-year vet max salary).

Good explanation. Thanks..

As for Foye. Count me out. He isn't an act I want to see round two of. Not that he is a bad egg or anything. Just feel like we did that. Something seems different about Mason. I didn't mind him returning. But I can see why they would consider him. I'd rather have Mason and Kirk.

[BruceO]

So when people complained when EG traded for emeka and okafor tht he was showing his hand early and the money should have been spent on free agents. When they see we did indeed get beal and free agents are really expensive this offseason, do they now agree he was right or do we have qualms?

I wouldn't hold my breath on that one. He would need to walk on water before some will give him any credit. And even then some will have wanted him fly instead.

Oh that's funny. Really funny. Why don't you tell me the 3 things you want to give him credit for? Drafting Beal is one, got that. Or perhaps you want to give him credit for making the Okafor-Ariza for Lewis trade? If that's a deal you like, just say so.

Oh, and if you think it was a bad deal for NO (who just bought out Lewis), tell us why?

As to Ernie, it'd be nice if he could swim in water -- no need to walk on it. No wait, I guess 9 successful years of building this franchise to a 20 win season is worth supporting?

Lol why are you so angry. Relax and have perspective. Think of it from the time Gil had the gun issue. What have we done wrong? Gil got dumped, we dumped all the players from that era except Blanche, gotten three young lotto picks, two of which people loved..other late picks guys love, changed the type of player we used to have to someone long, defensive minded, high motor, team oriented, athletic, aggressive, unselfish and other positive attitudes. Added in a mix of vets now that we have our young core to push our ceiling higher. Meanwhile how far did other people o? The status quo remained the same and whether you like it or not the turnaround is seemingly complete while others traded water for years, but it took those hard loses to get here, so of course bitter from the losses we blame the gm.

Let's wait till next year to see if what they are projecting makes us happy, if not do your complaining then. You also are ignorant about whether the okafor/ ariza trade for rashard was a good deal. You have neither the advanced metrics, nor the expertise or the experience so please..as much as the site says realgm it's really full of amateur gms who think they know everything including the critical stuff they have no access to or influence over. Why should Ted pay someone 13 million just to go away. At the end of the day this is also a business and you have fiscal responsibility to keep it afloat. If you think you would have done that, buy a team and run it your way and win multiple championships with your flawless decision making nd unlimited bank account. Until then be bitter all you want, I'm happy and unfazed

[BruceO]

IMO, there was still no reason to make that trade 10 days before the draft and not squeeze a decent asset out of NO. Free agency doesn't change the fact that the trade was a poor allocation of resources and a poor fit for the roster.

Poor allocation of resources? You could make that argument. Poor fit for the roster? Totally disagree. Both Ariza and Okafor are going to contribute to the improvement of the Zards and the development of our youngins'. And Okafor gives the Zards the defensive rebounding that they sorely lacked.

Part of the reason many hated that trade was because they thought it showed our hand that we wanted beal and Ernie was dumb to do it prematurely now Charlotte or Cleveland can screw s over....now we may draft Barnes instead cause he's such an EG pick...only for draft day to come and guess what? We pick Beal. Complaining about that part of the deal was premature, now let's wait on the other part. No one has come out to say they were even Wrong about that part but it's ok...more kvetching...I admit I too complained about satoransky but I've now let it go. Theres a reason they picked him even if it's to stash him away which may be for a reason

[hands11]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wiz ... _blog.html


Is this accurate. We have more money to spend by getting Okafor and Trevor then we would have if we bought out Lewis.

But even if they had instead bought out Lewis for $13.7 million – as the Hornets did on Saturday – the Wizards wouldn’t have been in position to make any significant signings. Paying Lewis not to play for them would’ve only left about $3.5 million – and potentially five roster spots to fill.

As it stands, the Wizards have about $59.5 million committed next season, with about $3.4 million going to recent draft pick Bradley Beal. The team plans on keeping second-round pick Tomas Satoranksy, a 20-year-old combo guard from the Czech Republic, in Europe for another year or two.

The Wizards can fill their final three roster spots by utilizing the midlevel exception — $5 million

[Hoopalotta]

Rather have Randy than Jordan Crawford, that's for damn sure.

+1. No brainer if there ever was one.

+ an awful lot more.

Main thing for me is A) a guard who can shoot the 3 and B) must be willing to sign a one or two year deal for some portion of the MLE. I'd also prefer a veteran who could play the 1 or the 2, but that's secondary.

But Foye might like us specifically as he played the best ball of his career under Wittman, if I'm not miss-remembering things.