Re: Felton traded to Knicks; Not matching Lin? (part 3)

[JBreezeNY]

"starter" is not enough vouching. How about "potential all-star"? And if he doesn't see that, I don't want him as our coach.

so you'd rather him tell a lie to stroke your ego?

It's not a lie if Lin really is a potential all-star.

[Thugger HBC]

What's wrong with what I said? The fact that I believe Lin has potential? The fact that Melo is overrated as hell? The fact that the Knicks do whatever Melo tells them to do? They all seem right to me.

Knicks FO bends over for Melo, hence why MDA got fired.

dantoni got fired because the Knicks had one of the worst records in the league and team history during his tenure. Hes an awful gimmick coach I think we all realize that. Lin does have potential but do declare he will be better then an All Nba, All Star, Olympian, 9 year vet based off of 25 games is crazy. In fact its linsane

Yeah Lin will be better than that player, big deal if Melo accomplished all of that. It doesn't determine how good of a player he is and Lin will eventually be better than him. Melo is like what? A top 20-25 player in the league? Lin could easily be top 20-25 in the league someday and he probably will be in two years.

If a player makes All NBA, they are viewed to be in the top 15.

[Greenie]

According to some on this board he is better.

I think people like you are being silly. Those that think Lin is better than CP3 are trolling, just like the morons that think Felton is better than Lin. Ether that, or they are truly stupid.

Don't believe it just because someone posted it! And don't apply it to everybody who disagrees with you.

That statement only applies to you....

Wow! Good one![/quote]
STFU and get off my quote button.

[god shammgod]

is there a board i could go to where people like both lin and melo. i didn't realize i had to throw up a set in this bitch.

I'm using this as my sig if that's cool?

go head man.

and thank you for all the responses, especially the representative of piru team jacob.

[PainKiller]

This thought process is incredibly stupid.

The Knicks never made Lin an offer. They wanted him to sign a contract and he did. Believing something Berman said in the Post (which nobody else has reported) over actual facts is a joke.

The 4 yr 28 million offer was reported by everyone. Lin was the one who went back and asked for more money, and did so without informing the Knicks. That's what the problem is. Berman wasn't the only one who said Lin wanted more money either.

Wait he got more money.. how do you know he didn't inform the knicks? it just wasn't reported till he sign the contract..... doesn't mean he didn't inform them before hand.

[Thugger HBC]

"starter" is not enough vouching. How about "potential all-star"? And if he doesn't see that, I don't want him as our coach.

so you'd rather him tell a lie to stroke your ego?

It's not a lie if Lin really is a potential all-star.

Opinion equals fact now?

[suicidedeuce]

3 years with a 4th year option. Remember we all were saying that it was almost to good to be true???

Say that again, but think hard about what it is you're saying...

The way I read it is you're upset the Knicks front office counted on Houston - for some inexplicable reason - signing Lin to an offer sheet that was - quote - "too good to be true".

Is this how far we've fallen? People don't even grasp the meaning and implications of their own words?

[old skool]

I am surprised that the Knicks will not match the Rocket's offer sheet, but I understand their thinking. If they don't match, it will be because they do not want to have the onerous roster limitations they would face in 2014-15. They would be in real trouble with all of those dollars on the books.

The Knicks were hurt when Derrick Rose went down. If it were not for Rose, the Bulls would not be considering letting Asik leave. The Rockets are playing a game of chicken, holding onto Aisk without an offer sheet until they see how the Lin saga plays out. If Rose was healthy, the Bulls would be more likely to force the Rocket's hand and make Asik their own offer.

The Knicks were hurt by the signing of Stoudemaire. He is the one with the immovable contract. They know they won't have any flexibility if they have two immovable contracts with Stoudemaire and Lin. And that $14.98-million third year will be immovable unless Lin becomes an All-Star. The only team with a history of taking contracts that bad is the Knicks.

The Knicks were hurt by the new cba. Most fans did not appreciate just how much it would hurt teams like the Knicks who previously had zero concerns about any spending limit.

Knick fans who complain about the new cba really don't see the entire picture. The only reason that the Knicks were able to acquire Tyson Chandler was that Mark Cuban saw the handwriting on the wall with the new cba and cut Chandler loose. Same thing in some respects with Jason Kidd. The Knicks don't sign Kidd if Cuban does not let Chandler and then Jason Terry leave. Mark Cuban sees the whole picture and the impact of the cba. Teams with extra dollars to spend have less of an edge than they did in the old days of 2011.

oLd sKool

[sinjz]

Geez, mpharris. You really blame Lin more than you do Morey? Did Lin have naked pics of Morey that he used as leverage to get a higher offer? Don't tell me you're actually buying this tabloid bull****.

Of course I am more pissed a morey...he has been screwing around with the knicks for years.

But also its just shady business either way. The Knicks might have been operating under the assumption that this was the deal Lin was going to get. 3 years with a 4th year option. Remember we all were saying that it was almost to good to be true??? 4th year team option and not a bad 3rd year salary.

All along it was probably a ploy by Morey and Lin that they would cancel the original offer after the knicks made all there moves and give him more so they he could sign with Houston. I keep getting the feeling Lin didn't want to play here.

Blame Morey if you want, but don't blame a player for getting what he can get, especially for his FIRST big contract.

No contract was signed so, nothing was 'cancelled'. Knicks told EVERYBODY they would match, so Lin didn't need to do anything. Houston upped the offer, was Lin suppose to say 'no'?

[mpharris36]

What did Lin do wrong??? He had no offer, he signed the only contract that was offered to him!!!

He initially agreed to a deal that the Knicks felt they could match; this deal encouraged the Knicks to make certain roster moves. Then Jeremy Lin consents to renegotiate contract terms and agrees to a deal which would allow Houston to pay him 8-8-8mil over three years while the Knicks would have to pay 5-5-15mil over three years: A poison pill for the Knicks that would obviously deter them from matching.

So what you really wanted was for Houston to sign Jeremy Lin to a nice, friendly offer sheet that Knicks would definitely match with ease?

Question - why does Houston do that exactly?

the point is, it was shady dealing. If the rockets planned to "report" a smaller deal. And then when Lin went to sign it they just happened to make the deal more poisonous?

that would just be ignorant to think the Rockets and Lin didn't have this on the down low.

[Greenie]

so you'd rather him tell a lie to stroke your ego?

It's not a lie if Lin really is a potential all-star.

Opinion equals fact now?

yep

[Lightning25]

If a player makes All NBA, they are viewed to be in the top 15.

Why would I care about what a bunch of random journalists think? Melo is top 20-25 to me. I can easily think of 20 players I would rather have over Melo.

[ORANGEandBLUE]

so you'd rather him tell a lie to stroke your ego?

It's not a lie if Lin really is a potential all-star.

Opinion equals fact now?

Well he is gonna get voted into the All-star game. Woodson should just say that's what he meant by all-star.

[CU_NY09]

Marc J. Spears ‏@SpearsNBAYahoo
Melo to Y! on Lin:"Its up to ownership to match, not me.I'm tired of people trying to blame me for the fact that the Knicks might not match"
Retweeted by Alan Hahn

Ok I've been bashing Melo but this is better than his earlier quotes.

And who is ownership trying to appease ? Melo. I can't stand this lying clown.

Melo wouldn't have to defend himself if the Knicks organization did a better job of keeping their sh*t together. it's like this organization loves negative press. How about they just keep their mouth shut and stop leaking info to unnamed "sources" to the media?!

[NBA Fan 1234]

If a player makes All NBA, they are viewed to be in the top 15.

Why would I care about what a bunch of random journalists think? Melo is top 20-25 to me. I can easily think of 20 players I would rather have over Melo.

Do you want a cookie?

This is the Lin thread; not bash Melo thread. If you're here to talk crap about Melo, or any Knicks player, you can leave.

[NOOB77]

If a player makes All NBA, they are viewed to be in the top 15.

Why would I care about what a bunch of random journalists think? Melo is top 20-25 to me. I can easily think of 20 players I would rather have over Melo.

Good for you do you want a cookie?

[CoolKids]

If a player makes All NBA, they are viewed to be in the top 15.

Why would I care about what a bunch of random journalists think? Melo is top 20-25 to me. I can easily think of 20 players I would rather have over Melo.

Well guys now we know that a players true value is determined only by lightning25, and not what journalists, analysts, and NBA fans think.

[ORANGEandBLUE]

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the point is, it was shady dealing. If the rockets planned to "report" a smaller deal. And then when Lin went to sign it they just happened to make the deal more poisonous?

that would just be ignorant to think the Rockets and Lin didn't have this on the down low.

Nah... it was Grunwald being a clown. You don't make all your offseason moves by assuming a team is going to stick to its initial offer.

[Thugger HBC]

If a player makes All NBA, they are viewed to be in the top 15.

Why would I care about what a bunch of random journalists think? Melo is top 20-25 to me. I can easily think of 20 players I would rather have over Melo.

I'd love to see this.

[HerSports85]

To stay on topic! Hahn is on NBA TV talking about Felton's conditioning. He has been working and will continue to get into shape before training camp.